Some Schools Ending Laptop Programs 308
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The New York Times reports that schools are abandoning their laptops-for-students programs. It turns out that the expense of providing laptops, expense of repairing laptops, difficulties of school network management, and discipline problems stemming from pornography, cheating, and cracking more than outweighed the educational benefits. Indeed, a number of schools have concluded that far from improving student achievement, laptops either had no effect or actively hindered academic performance. Apparently, politicians embracing technology as a quick fix for social problems doesn't always work out.
Heh (Score:4, Interesting)
Now imagine that LAN party comes with free hardware, you don't have to bring your own.
Now, imagine that LAN party has free Internet access, is open all day long, and you HAVE to go attend it each and every day.
So, how much work are you doing ? Yup, right, almost none at all.
Suddendly, schools realize that LAN party I describe above is on school grounds, with school hardware, and it goes on all schoolday long.
What a big surprise...
Duh!! (Score:4, Interesting)
music videos, and viruses/trojans/worms/spyware/spamware. No virus software or such. No patches were ever applied
( M$ machines). The school had no one to repair or troubleshoot stuff. This was all after a big push to get PCs in the
classroom. There were wiring parties and meetings to show off how great it was to get a PC in the classroom. Went nowhere.
A mad rush to bring our schools into the 21st century. Didnt work.
Re:Gee, you think? (Score:3, Interesting)
Contrary to what seems to be popular belief (Score:4, Interesting)
Of course, this is a different situation than the one discussed in TFA; we were college students, not high schoolers, and although our computers were under warranty, they were bought with our tuition money and belonged to us, so there was incentive to keep them nice. We also seldom, if ever, used the machines in class, but when we did, there was a good reason.
A laptop is a tool, just like any other. Tools can be misused, but they can also be instruments of success when applied correctly. Don't be so quick to shun the idea of school-issued laptops. When done right with the right age group, it can really work.
Laptop Worked Fine For Me... (Score:3, Interesting)
So... (Score:3, Interesting)
OS? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:No surprise... (Score:5, Interesting)
(1) eBook readers have to be of good enough quality to be an acceptable replacement for paper.
(2) Text sellers have to actually sell their eBook versions for significantly less than their printed paper copies.
Part (1) is all about the quality of the resolution, and general display. Right now it sucks. ePaper, or eInk, or whatever they call it, shows real promise in this area, but it's still very new. Part (2) is actually the harder one. There's not too much point in this if a printed dead tree copy is as cheap as an eBook -- students can fork over the cash for the heavy version and scrawl in the textbookm themselves; it wouldn't be quite as good as the eBook option, but it would narrow the gap sufficiently. If, on the other hand, eBooks are signficantly cheaper (as we would reasonably expect them to be) then there's enough good economic sense behind moving to eBook reader devices to properly motivate it.
Re:No surprise... (Score:3, Interesting)
A tablet now costs somewhere in between one to two years' worth of textbooks, so it's debatable whether it's really that much of a burden. Whether or not everyone is using laptops, it irks me that schools don't seem to care about reducing backpack load for students that would prefer soft copies. Incidentally, some of my courses have used notes that were written in-house, in LaTeX, it appears, and I'm satisfied with those. They're cheaper, much more portable, usually more understandable, since they closely mirror the course content, and I could probably convince some of the profs involved to give me a soft copy, but I haven't tried yet. So basically, I'm annoyed that schools aren't actively trying to eliminate the current burden of overpriced textbooks that get obsoleted quickly, weigh much, and often aren't that useful anyway for more than example problems.
In response to your comment, perhaps there needs to be more research about how to use tablets to facilitate learning. It doesn't seem like there's any noise coming from that direction, and there's certainly room for new ideas, like shared virtual chalkboards and such.
No wonder... (Score:3, Interesting)
-Many of the teachers are opposed to this foreign technology overtaking their classrooms. Right there, 25% of classes will not have laptop usage. Furthermore, even more of the teachers don't even know how to use a laptop.
-There is no educational software provided. I know that there are some really good educational titles out there that would be a tremendous help in classrooms, but nobody is taking the initiative to install/support them.
-The laptops were aimed to lessen the use of textbooks. Oddly enough, they just add to the ever-growing pile of virtually useless school-provided materials.
-The security system is flawed as well. They are heavily restricted - that is, until you quit a certain task in the task manager - after that, visiting porn sites couldn't be easier!
-The aforementioned hardware problems.
What needs to happen is for the school districts to implement a laptop education program of some sort. One that will ease teachers' fears of computers/help them to better assist their students, and one that will teach kids the basics of computing (no, how to use Word doesn't count). This should have been done from the start. What needs to happen for this
Re:Information access does not equal education (Score:2, Interesting)
All the school really needs is a few donated piece of shit desktop machines sitting in the back of the classroom running Ubuntu. The teacher helps with critical thinking and conceptual discussion during lecture time, and can ask students to look up supporting facts on the internet when needed. That way the student learns the concept, and how to effectively find the information when they it. The machines are cheap (if not free), have access to educational databases, the internet, and can be locked down tight. Besides, they can't run spyware/malware/crapware/sonyrootkit/lastestgame. Imagine kids coming out of high school knowing how to form good search queries.
If only. But I can dream.
Re:No surprise... (Score:3, Interesting)
Integration, Planning, and Infrastructure (Score:3, Interesting)
i used to teach in a district w/ a laptop program (Score:4, Interesting)
We were always told in meetings to have students use the laptops as much as possible (I imagine to justify the expense in supplying students with them). It didn't matter what we did, so long as we were using technology in the classroom. The other big push was the state achievement test (thank you very much Bush). We were never told of a definite way that we could use these computers to help improve test scores.
Of course, any chance that students have to goof off, they will, and any time my students got to use their laptop, they would be using it for IM, games, or just generally surfing the web. i tired to keep an eye on all of them, but when you have classes of 30+ students, it's difficult to make sure they are all on task with traditional kinds of instruction and assignments.
The most successful I ever was in that district was when I was teaching summer school. I think a large part of that was because the students didn't keep the laptops over the summer. I brought in a classroom set of laptops in for a day so they could type a paper. Before I brought them in, I unplugged the wireless router in the drop ceiling.
Wrong approach (Score:3, Interesting)
Technology was not used to that incredible extent at my high school, but we did have laptop carts available to supplement the library and computer lab(s). When a class needed to do a computer-oriented project, the IT people would roll in two or three carts (with 16 laptops apiece, I think) and let students check them out. Each cart had chargers built in, as well as a wireless access point, so the cart would be plugged into ethernet to create instant wireless access in that classroom.
We would do the task at hand, and the laptops would all be returned at the end of class. People didn't mess with them because of the futility in doing so. The systems were locked down, and anything you did manage to change would be wiped off at the end of the day anyway.
For example... (Score:2, Interesting)
AutoCAD, for example? Mathematica? SAS/Stat? Websphere? Photoshop? Windows? Help me out here, I'm trying to come up with some other "now worthless non-free software" that I can recommend to my friends' kids not to touch. Especially "M$" software, because we all know no one uses that anymore.
There is of course the difference between an educational software package that teaches, say, spelling, and "M$" Word, which is not educational tool. So I'm not sure how you can tie the two together?
BTW, Encarta - when it was released - was simply amazing. One of my nephews spent uncounted hours (this is 1997) exploring and learning Encarta. In fact, IIRC the article about Johann Sebastian Bach had a small sample of the Brandenburg concerto (BMW 1048), which he loved. That lead to my buying him a Bach CD "sampler", which got him on the road to other composers like Vivaldi, Brahms and Mozart.
I haven't seen Encarta in a while, and though teh interwebs have largely superceded its niche, I'm sure it's at least valuable from a production/quality/self-contained standpoint.
Honestly, I find it disturbing (if not downright pathetic) that someone would dismiss a product like Encarta (especially when it was first released) just because it comes from Microsoft.
Re:What problem were the laptops supposed to solve (Score:2, Interesting)
I think that depends on the laptop and the books you're comparing it to. My laptop weighs 7 pounds (a bit of a heavyweight, but cheap!) and most of my college textbooks weigh about 2-3 pounds (yes, I weighed them). They're mostly bigger than the ones I had in high school, which I'd guess were 1-2 pounds on average. Add 2 textbooks + a full binder and you're looking at about 7 pounds, roughly the same as the laptop. (Not every class has a textbook, and not every textbook needs to be taken home or to school every day.)
Not every school book can be replaced by a laptop, either. Say I need a sketchbook every second day, plus a pencil case to go with it. I wouldn't want to read a Dickens book on a backlit screen, so add an 800-page novel to that. Obviously, I'm not going anywhere without lip gloss, hand cream, and a spare hair clip... I mean, really. It's raining, so I need an umbrella. Can't forget the power adaptor for the laptop, or the battery will be dead by lunch.
Add to that a lunch, a drink, gym clothes, and whatever else, and you're looking at 10-20 pounds easily.
I'm not saying computers in schools can't help these problems, but we are so not there yet. The screen readability is probably the first thing that needs to be fixed. I've saved a lot of money--at least $300 in the past 2 years, and a lot of time--by using Project Gutenberg (for example) for public domain texts. But my eyes were pretty tired by the end of it, and reading just isn't as quick or easy on a screen.
The other problem is getting e-texts (or educational programs) accepted and used by the teachers. All the teachers in the school who can use these things must or the benefits are negligible.
(Problem #3 is, how do you get the kids to use their computers for *school* instead of playing games, chatting, looking up porn, etc. But when did kids behave, anyway? Let it go already.)
nobody is in favor of this?!? (Score:1, Interesting)
I work for a school district, in the tech department, and one of the latest buzzwords is 1:1 computing, giving kids laptops. Some interesting things to note: They gave out hundreds of laptops to a test district in Maine. They got all of them except about 10 back. 7 of those non-returned laptops were given to teachers. Also, the students that received the laptops had an increase in test scores compared to those who didn't.
I think our school kids are sorely lacking motivation to learn, and one of the big reasons is that everything worth doing for them is in a digital format - text messaging, social networking, reading, recreation - anything that helps us get students to view school as important or exciting is good in my book.
Come on, slashdotters. You of all people should be advocating this.
Re:Why not a computer lab? (Score:4, Interesting)
Knowing how to drive on the other hand doesn't nearly determine your position in society the way your career does. Not having a car is an inconvenience you can manage. Not having a career has a much broader effect on your life and society as a whole.
Also, my public high school did have driver's ed.
Re:Why not a computer lab? (Score:3, Interesting)
In the same vein, we spent 2 years of solid classes based around cisco with 6+ hours of lab per week. That will stick a lot longer than the 2 hours of lab in Linux that occurred for about a months time.
However, if now that I'm graduated, I don't get a Cisco or networking job, in a year or two, at best I'm going to have a passing familiarity with it, and my theories are going to be fuzzy.
Using Word and Excel and transitioning from daily use in to the work place keeps the familiarity up.
Once in a work setting generally what you use will be what you use, so there isn't much care to keep up non-essential skills (unless you're looking at going for a promotion/another job). In a school setting, if you learn word in grade 10, and its lab use only, and you don't touch it until after you graduate except to write the odd paper, its just not going to have the same retention.
textbooks, projectors, and white boards? (Score:3, Interesting)
I think better textbooks would help tremendously, i.e., course material that isn't designed by someone trying to do a social experiment. It actually amazes me that the same quality management criteria used in business can't be applied to the generation of these books. That is, the text books should improve gradually over time, not radically to try some math teaching method of the month club.
Re:No surprise... (Score:1, Interesting)
The binding does make a big difference though. At my high school, the publisher sent a bunch of college-bound advanced biology textbooks by mistake. The covers were falling off of most of them after a year and a half.
Re:Why did they think that in the first place? (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:No. They did it to as an attempt to throw money (Score:5, Interesting)
We've grown into an age where kids don't care. Teachers are not given the power to teach properly, nor are they incented to do so. They go through the motions, and whatever happens, happens.
There are many causes, not the least of which is parents who either don't care so if their kid is suspended he or she just sits at home playing video games for a few days; or who come screaming and blame the teacher when their precoius spawn is punished. Guess what, at some point teachers stop caring and don't waste their time on the losers - push them through and forget about them.
The teachers unions have crippled the entire process. The unions protect the worst teachers. Unions also drive the best teachers out of the system, leaving us with a system that gradually deteriorates.
It's a shame that local teacher's unions aren't as powerful as some believe; then maybe teachers could exert authority and maintain discipline instead of worrying that parents complaints will result in a bad review and not being rehired.
Good teachers leave because they are good - and can make a lot more money with a lot less hassle in another job.
Unions always blame lack of funding. They line up the poor kids, pointing at how little money is spent on kids' educations. Yet most of the funding increases don't go to teachers' salaries. It goes to administrative costs, new buildings, and golden parachutes for administrators.
That's because the unions don't have the power to control spending - in our district (rather well off one) I don't know a single teacher who wouldn't like to be able to direct spending so they wouldn't run out of copy paper 2 months before the end of the year or buying textbooks so each student has their own copy. (Real cases).
What we need is for teachers to be held accountable. And for those students that refuse to do the work, disciplinary action. Flunk them.
Accountability without authority is useless. Take away a kid's cellphone because they're texting during a test - Mom or Dad will come screaming at the administrator and teacher "How dare you do that to my little darling" instead of saying "Tough luck, child; you knew the rules and broke them"
There are a lot of great teachers, who care and whose main reward is to see some kid discover they can learn. Personally, that would not be enough for me to put up with all the other crap.
Don't even get started on "No Child Left Behind."
Re:No surprise really (Score:1, Interesting)
Guess what? The teacher is not directing his lecture to you. The teacher is sitting on the other side of the desk, seeing 10% of his class actually "get" the material, 60% more-or-less capable of parroting back material, 20% not capable of of even that level of competence, and 10% actively hostile to education. For years, even before "No Child Left Behind" teachers teach to the 20% who just don't get it, and the way to teach them is repeat, repeat, repeat. Sure it means that a third or more of the class is bored to tears, but the burden of education is to see that everyone attains the minimum competency required to function in society, not to make sure that everyone attains the best possible education.
It'd be great if we could arrange that everyone be taught in groups of equal competence by teachers with expertise and passion for their material, but that's just unrealistic. To prevent boredom, you need students of equal competence; to get equivalent competence, you need small groups; to get small groups you need lots of teachers; to get lots of teachers, you lower your standards. Mass education is structurally condemned to fail the extremes. If you're one of the clever people, do yourself a favor and teach yourself. It's not that hard.
Re:Why not a computer lab? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:So... (Score:3, Interesting)
Buying crap instead of paying people (Score:2, Interesting)
I've worked in K-12 education in the states for several years and have seen a few one-to-one laptop programs. One middle school purchased laptops for over a thousand students. The same middle school had only one full time technology 'professional'. I now work for a corporation where we have at least one desktop support person per floor. The school district attempted to supplement their small IT staff with what they call TSGs (Not quite sure what the acronym means). TSGs are full time teachers who have shown some limited proficiency with computers and desire a few hundred dollars more per month for a few hours work helping other teachers.
Another problem is, when schools are given money for programs like this they are given very rigid requirements about how that money can be spent. Hardware and software only. This leaves the IT department with pools of money that they must waste before a given deadline. 'Ooh, let's buy a whole bunch of 1 year licenses for adobe products that no one will ever use'. One year later a teacher has a bunch of illustrator documents they can't open because their school doesn't have licensed copies of the software. That's only one example of the kind of boneheaded decision making and incompetence shown by most schools.
The IT people and administration had no understanding of networked computing. Their mindset was a throwback to the Apple II per classroom days. For example, instead of setting up an disk image server (They could've at least blown some money on Ghost), all laptops were imaged by hand by connecting up firewire drives whenever that laptop was flagged as being messed up. These were Macs, how hard is it to set up a file server and have the laptops periodically rsync. Let me repeat, 1 IT person. There was also no audit trail; IPs were assigned by DHCP with short leases and they did not have a database of MAC addresses. If a student did something inappropriate the school had no way to prove it. One teacher I knew even resorted to running ettercap so he could see what his class was doing.
Many of the entrenched IT people would never succeed in this field outside of the K-12 education world and are aware of this. They fight any attempt by outsiders and other teachers to make the technology better and view additions to their staff as threats to subvert their power. These people may have been able to tread water with one or two workstations per classroom but with a thousand laptops they quickly drown. The school administration felt that hiring some outside company to set up the initial image and then throwing money at Apple for support was all they needed. I guess they didn't understand that Apple did not have the school's interest in mind but only wanted to sell more Apple stuff. 'Gee, these iPods are cool. You can make podcasts of your lessons and have all your kids listen to them while they're going home'. One of them even had the gall to say that, 'Apple Remote Desktop would not be appropriate for their site'. Not appropriate, you can't have a thousand computers and manage them like you only have 30.
The problem is this. You need people to run these programs before they even start. Before you get the laptops, you need months to plan a roll out and set up images for your school. Hiring an outside contractor will not get you what you need because they are geared towards business, they do not understand the unique requirements of schools. I spoke to the director of technology who managed the only successful one-to-one laptop program I've seen. He said to me, 'I very quickly realized that the first thing I needed to do was hire a couple of UNIX geeks'. Amen.
Re:School students and pornography a problem? (Score:5, Interesting)
Here I was, thinking that giving someone with a Grade 3 reading level, a Grade 2 writing level, and an ego regarding their abilities which can only be attained by someone who has learned nothing of substance in the past 5 or so years, a laptop which requires excellent reading ability and desire to learn from, and excellent writing ability and desire to communicate with the outside world with...
You know what? It's just too ludicrous. You've got to have fundamentals before a laptop and the ensuing internet access is of any use, and even then, they won't help with anything they'd be teaching in any sort of school where you're not expected to buy your own laptop if you need one.
We started a one-to-one laptop program at a pilot middle school for our 7th graders. The biggest problem is the driving force(s) behind the program are only focused on the laptops. These people are not educators or technicians, they are politicians of one stripe or another. They don't realize that the price of the laptop itself is the *least* expensive item.
The teachers that were thrown into the program were like "Cool, I get a new laptop...", and that's about where it ended. They were worse than clueless when it came to using computers for even the simplest things, let alone how to properly integrate a laptop into their teaching environment and curriculum. Of course, they "budgeted" training into the project, but it amounted to about 3 hours of general computer familiarization. This is just enough time to make the computers the "focus" of the classroom (a distraction from learning) instead of an integrated learning tool. Giving every student a computer makes sense only when you change your teaching methods at a fundamental level. This requires a deep understanding of many facets of computers and computing; something today's teachers just don't have and colleges don't teach yet.
This is still ignoring the infrastructure aspect. There are the obvious things like having enough wireless access points to handle 100 computers within a close cluster of 3-4 classrooms (non-trivial - especially when the plan calls for "two airport extremes to provide wireless coverage" - yeah, what are you going to do with the other 80 laptops?). Then there are the racks of spare batteries and battery chargers that will be needed. Students will *not* show up to class with their laptops charged and you *cannot* have power cables stretching across the aisles. These high-speed chargers are expensive and so are the batteries.
Students now *require* their computers for every class - not just for "computer lab". This means that they *have to have* a computer with *their* data on it. If something breaks or gets corrupted they can't wait for several weeks to have their computer repaired (we have a 1,000-to-1 computer to technician ratio). This means that OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) work orders get priority and everything must be dropped to get a replacement to them (with their data on it). Expecting students to properly back up their data is a lot to ask. Making this a priority part of the educational process is apparently impossible (since the teachers don't even really understand it). Making sure that all the important data, settings, etc. are backed up in such a way so that transferring them to the stand-in replacement is quick and seamless is not impossible. It just becomes difficult deciding what to backup. How important are the 10 Gigabytes of iMovie projects? What about the 20 Gig of MP3s in iTunes or the Garageband projects? Assuming that some of these are legitimate and must be backed up, how do you do that over (totally saturated) wireless? Then where do you put that data? You can't put it in an accessible part of the file server - kids will be messing up their backups... Now you pretty much need a dedicated backup server with a huge amount of storage (which also needs to be backed up) to constantly be online.
Now we have to deal with damage and loss. It gets up to -70F in t