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Michael J. Ross writes "If a Web site needs to be developed as quickly as possible, or it needs to support collaborative content, then usually the best approach is to use a content management system (CMS). There are many CMSs from which a Web developer could choose, including Drupal, which is considered by many to be the most powerful, extensible, and logically organized of them all. Installing Drupal and using it to create a simple site, is fairly straightforward, in part due to its relatively excellent documentation. For much of its existence, there has been far less information available on how to extend a Drupal site with one's own modules, themes, blocks, etc. That need is now met by a new book, Pro Drupal Development." Read on for the rest of Michael's review.
Pro Drupal Development
author John K. VanDyk and Matt Westgate
pages 428
publisher Apress
rating 9
reviewer Michael J. Ross
ISBN 1590597559
summary A detailed guide to customizing a Drupal-based Web site


The book was written by John K. VanDyk and Matt Westgate, both of whom are experienced computer programmers, who years earlier had created their own CMS. In their book's Introduction, they confess to discovering Drupal and its many advantages, switching over to it, and presumably abandoning further development of their own CMS. This speaks volumes about their regard for Drupal, because an individual programmer or programming team can give no greater vote of confidence for a technological product than to voluntarily end primary allegiance to a competing product that they themselves birthed and nurtured.

Pro Drupal Development was published by Apress, on 16 April 2007, under the ISBNs 1590597559 and 978-1590597552. The publisher offers a Web page on their site dedicated to the book, where the visitor will find all of the book's source code, as well as the table of contents and a sample chapter (Chapter 8 — The Theme System), in PDF format. In addition, there is a link for errata, which leads to the authors' own book site. At the time of this writing, there are three dozen entries, contributed by the authors and their readers. The authors' site also has links for downloading the source code by individual chapter, and a blog that focuses on the book.

The book's material, spanning 428 pages, is organized into 23 chapters and two appendices. Unlike the majority of technical books nowadays, this one does not have the chapters organized into labeled parts. Nonetheless, the chapters and appendices roughly fall into three categories: how Drupal works (Chapters 1, 19, and 23, and Appendix A), how to customize it (Chapters 2-18 and 22), and how to optimize your Drupal development efforts (Chapters 20-21, and Appendix B). The customization chapters cover a wide range of topics: modules, menus, databases, users, nodes, themes, blocks, forms, filtering, searching, indexing, files, taxonomy, caching, sessions, jQuery, localization, and optimization.

Each one of these topics is explored in laudable detail, with plenty of sample code and figures to illustrate the key concepts. The greatest strength of this book is the depth of its coverage, and the methodical way that the authors go about presenting the material. They are clearly quite serious about Drupal itself, and about conveying to the reader all of the knowledge that they believe is important for the reader to master. In fact, anyone attempting to read the book cover to cover might find the presentation quite dry, with no evidence of humor or even a sense of fun, unlike so many other recent programming books. On the other hand, one can argue that the value of this information alone to the reader who is equally serious about mastering Drupal, should be sufficient. Regardless, be warned that this is definitely not a book that one can read through at a fast pace, absorbing the bulk of the information. The innards of Drupal alone make it a challenging subject for dissection; learning how to modify Drupal's behavior, is even more so.

Yet if anyone is interested in mastering the inner workings of Drupal, and how to customize them, this is the book of choice. It may be a bit dry, but it is quite meaty, and the material is clearly presented. Moreover, the publisher, Apress, has done an admirable job with this title. The layout is clear; the index is substantial; and, as with their other titles, they offer two different versions of the table of contents — high-level, listing the chapter titles only, and detailed, listing the sections and subsections within those chapters.

Another aspect of this book that I applaud is the efficient use of page space, through the use of top and bottom margins that are noticeably smaller than those found in the typical computer programming book. This is especially true of the bottom margins. For instance, on page 117, the text comes within one centimeter of the bottom edges the page — something I've never seen before in a professionally printed book. At first it might strike one as sloppy, but actually should be appreciated by anyone who is tired of technical books using excessive margins for padding out a much more limited amount of information into an even greater number of pages. This is a practice that I would recommend to all other publishers, technical or otherwise.

However, the book does have some weaknesses, which is probably to be expected in any first edition. The sample source code in many cases could benefit from more use of whitespace — particularly for the PHP code. But with any code found in a book, there is always the possibility that such instances of compressed code result from a conscious decision given the limited width of the printed page. But in most such cases in this book, that reason would not be applicable.

The authors do not warn the reader that a solid understanding of PHP is needed for using the book's ideas and sample code. Near the end of the Introduction, they suggest that if the reader is new to Drupal, then he or she should read the chapters in sequence. The authors should also note that if the reader is new to PHP, then it would be better to first get up to speed on PHP before trying to digest and make use of this book. Such points might be obvious to most readers, but they should be clarified up front, perhaps in the Introduction, for the benefit of anyone browsing this title in a bookstore, and wondering if they already possess the technical know-how required by the book.

Similarly, the authors also do not mention that the book is, for the most part, only applicable to Drupal version 5, and not version 4 or earlier versions, since there have been some dramatic changes with the release of version 5. In fact, given the extent of the changes and how that would impact the utility of the book depending upon what version of Drupal the reader is using, it should be noted on the book's cover, as an increasing number of publishers are doing.

A couple of minor problems were in evidence in the first dozen pages. On page 3, the authors refer to "user 1," which is likely to confuse most readers, because it looks like a username, and would be unfamiliar to someone who has installed Drupal and created a Web site, without extensive reading of the Drupal documentation. On page 11, the authors discuss core modules, and where they can be seen listed in the administration area of Drupal. But the path that they provide, "sites/all/modules," is incorrect, because that is where user-added modules are placed, of which there are none in a default installation. (The second mention of that path, in the fourth paragraph, is correct.)

Lastly, when the book is opened up to any of the pages not near the center, the book immediately flops closed. The use of lay-flat binding is strongly urged, for future editions of this book and all others that Apress offers.

Despite these weaknesses — all of which are fixable — Pro Drupal Development is strongly recommended for any PHP programmer who wants a truly in-depth look at how Drupal works and how to make the most of it.

Michael J. Ross is a Web developer, freelance writer, and the editor of PristinePlanet.com's free newsletter.


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  • by mi (197448) <slashdot-2012@virtual-estates.net> on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @02:32PM (#19414295) Homepage

    in part due to its relatively excellent documentation

    Nice term... So, depending on the base, the same thing could also be called relatively shitty, or relatively mediocre? Indeed, it can...

    Everything is relative, is not it? So why say it?

    • by smartbei (1112351)
      Presumably, 'relatively' would refer to the other CMS products available. So the documentation should be excellent, relative to the other CMS solutions.
    • by rlanctot (310750)
      I'd have to agree with this. Don't run into problems with Drupal, you won't find any answers in the documentation or forums. We had to end up using Community Server.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by paganizer (566360)
        I haven't tried drupal.
        I have tried Joomla (on crack. I just don't quite understand how the people using it can call it intuitive), Mambo (see my Joomla snide comment), PostNuke (rocks, pure and simple. Very Free), DotNetNuke( pretty good, more stable than postnuke, slightly. Free, but apps usually cost) and most recently, Community Server.

        I freaking love community server personal edition. free. fair docs, but you don't need 'em. stable. can't expand it easily, but it comes with a blog, file, photo, forum,
        • by klenwell (960296)
          I've been looking for a *AMP-driven CMS to invest some time in. A few months ago, after a bit of investigation, I settled on Joomla but agree with the parent's complaint about intuitiveness. Haven't fallen in love with it.

          I'll have to check out PostNuke and Community Server. But I noticed on its Wikipedia page that it's .NET-driven:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Server [wikipedia.org]

          I'm focused right now on PHP/MySQL packages. What do others like and why? (Do "community server" and "content management system"
          • by paganizer (566360)
            PhpNuke & Postnuke, in that order. PhpNuke has sort of fallen to the wayside, all the cool kids develop for Postnuke now. and everything, and I mean everything, is changeable. look & feel is mainly based on stylesheets, and there are a zillion pre-made "themes" out there for free.
            Postnuke is fun. I've been playing around with this whole web thing since around '95-'96, and tried a lot of different things; PostNuke seems to be the best "platform" I've seen, it is powerful, and very, very easy to embed
          • by twinkie_away (1112367) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @05:35PM (#19416955)

            I like Drupal. It has a dedicated security team. That helps me sleep at night.

            I like that each bit of HTML content that Drupal puts out (like the user login form, for example) and be easily overridden or modified without changing any core code (I just make a template file and do it there and Drupal automatically sees it).

            I like that the output from Drupal is already in semantically meaningful CSS classes. If I want to tweak the way the breadcrumbs look, I just override the breadcrumb class in my own style.css file. Ditto for titles, menus, etc.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by Fred_A (10934)

          I haven't tried drupal.
          I have tried Joomla (on crack. I just don't quite understand how the people using it can call it intuitive), Mambo (see my Joomla snide comment), PostNuke (rocks, pure and simple. Very Free), DotNetNuke( pretty good, more stable than postnuke, slightly. Free, but apps usually cost) and most recently, Community Server.

          Hadn't heard of community server. Now I know why :

          Community Server runs exclusively on the Microsoft web application platform. This enables Community Server to focus o

          • by pnutjam (523990)
            Obviously this guy is not platform agnostic. It sounds like he only knows windows.
            • by Fred_A (10934)

              Obviously this guy is not platform agnostic. It sounds like he only knows windows.
              Well, I can't really hold it against him since I no longer know Windows.
              So I'm not platform agnostic either (although arguably I have a wider choice of platforms in Unix land). ;)
        • by nwf (25607)
          I've tried Drupal 5 and I can't see how anyone thinks it's intuitive. It's a mess. Particularly, the menu system is completely broken. It's non-dynamic, requiring a page load for each submenu to open. There are many (broken) plugins to fix this, but none I tried work. Joomla has a very, very nice menu and tab system.

          For administration, Drupal 5 is another disaster. Nothing is organized logically, where as it is in Joomla and PostNuke. Granted, there are more modules for Drupal (which is what originally got
    • Everything is relative, is not it?
      Some wacky german guy with a bad haircut told me the speed of light in a vacuum is invariant.

      So I told him, "get a job, you hippy!"

  • Okay... so I've used both Drupal and Joomla, but I think Joomla has the biggest future right now, especially with Beta 1.5release2 having just been unleashed soon. Joomla has a huge following behind it since it garnered a lot of attention when they broke off from Mambo awhile back. Now there are hundreds or thousands of extensions available for your website and really high quality themes. Just look at the demos on http://rockettheme.com/ [rockettheme.com] if you want proof.
    With my personal statement said... I have nothing a
    • Joomla is for people who are not technically inclined, but willing to learn a little in order to make a decent site. It is great for that LARGE community of people and it does work well. That being said, Drupal is the choice for programmers looking for a powerful CMS that is documented well and easy to extend in many more ways. You have much more control over Drupal than with Joomla. You can look at it this way:

      Suppose you have a house and you are looking to do some work on it, you know facelift, upgrade
      • by FreeKill (1020271)
        I disagree. Joomla is a great package, no doubt about it, but in terms of ease of extensibility and the ability to customize every aspect, Drupal has it beat hands down. I've used both in a variety of projects, and Drupal is just much easier to work with.
        • I think you just disagreed with me and then reiterated the same points I made? :) Just have replied to the wrong one?
      • Aren't all of these CMS's done in PHP, i.e. text files? Why would you not be able to extend any of the cms's as much as you want? You could even take them apart and rebuild them from scratch, all the code is there to be edited at will.
        • They are part of huge programs. It is not like there is 5 files or something. Not to mention all the database connectivity and such, it can be a real pain to change things. Every CMS organizes everything differently but Drupal has the best organization and structure that leads to the most manipulatable code.
        • by ceejayoz (567949)
          Drupal lets you modify the way it works without touching the core files. That way, when it comes time to upgrade to a new version, your modifications aren't lost when you upload the new set of files.

          Joomla doesn't let you do much without editing core files, and that's a security and maintenance *nightmare*.
    • by truthsearch (249536) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @03:07PM (#19414821) Homepage Journal
      I looked a Mambo a few years ago and the code was pretty much as bad as I could imagine. It was so poorly written that I didn't even install it to try it out.

      Drupal, on the other hand, is extremely well written as Dries is very strict about submissions to the core. I know Drupal inside and out and that's only possible because it's very well written and documented. An entire site is dedicated just the automatically generated API documentation.
      • What you say regarding code quality is true of Mambo, and to a lesser extent, of Joomla 1.0.x. On the other hand, the post-Mambo fork team has been rebuilding the upcoming 1.5 release from the ground up.

        When I went looking in 2003 for a pre-built CMS to supplant the simple LAMP-based site I had written for a small non-profit, though Drupal looked like it could have all sorts of power someday, I could see that I could build them a fully featured site with Mambo in less than a month's worth of nights n' weeke
      • Drupal, on the other hand, is extremely well written...

        Yup. I work for an ISP and I've installed and configured about eight different CMS's, not counting shopping-cart systems.

        Drupal is the only one I've seen whose internals are reasonably clean and straightforward.

        In every other case, when I looked at the code, my immediate reaction was, "I should rewrite this; It's too sloppy to maintain."

        In many cases I had to edit nearly half the files just to eliminate unassigned variable warnings, or to turn off the Register_Globals option, or to make it work in "Safe

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Machitis (597087)
      I've used both Joomla (1 and 1.5) and Drupal (5) extensively in multiple projects, personally and professionaly. Hands down, Drupal is more powerful, better thought-out, and sports an excellent community and community-contributed content.

      That's not to say Joomla is bad -- in fact, it's very good, and like you said, 1.5 could bring a revolution in CMS = Framework -- but many of the advances 1.5 will make have already been realized in Drupal 5.

      In addition, the shear number of extensions for Drupal combined wi
    • by risk one (1013529)
      I looked at them both (and many others), but Joomla still uses table based layouts. You can hack stuff together to get around this, and it'll disappear in future releases, but that's not good enough for me. I simply couldn't bear it if people looked at the source for my websites and saw td's and tr's all over the place. I know what my conclusion is when I see a website like that. So I use Drupal, which has perfect div-based html out of the box.
    • I reckon the reason I cannot trust your opinion is your use of the word 'unleashed'. Sorry, buddy, but I couldn't read past it, and will continue to take Drupal seriously.
    • Is that like "relatively excellent" ?
  • Glad to See (Score:4, Funny)

    by techsoldaten (309296) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @02:41PM (#19414451) Journal
    Glad to see the

    reviewer is paying

    attention the ample

    margins throughout the

    book. It helps me

    make a purchasing

    decision, I really

    only ever buy books

    with good margins.

    M
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Asgerix (1035824)
      I'm glad to see that
      . . someone is paying attention to
      . . . . the Live Ink [venturebeat.com] text formatting.

      It makes text
      . . so much easier
      . . . . to read!
  • Logically organized? That's a funny phrase; Most of us who have programmed know that logic != intuitive. Just take a look at any interface designed by a programmer. It's logically organized, but intuitive? Hardly every. /pedantic
    • by Trigun (685027)
      You want pedantic?

      Doesn't organization imply logic? The sheer fact that something has been organized pretty much means put into logical groups. Whether everyone can immediately see or understand the logic is another topic.

      Now, that's pedantic!
    • by leonem (700464)
      Conversely, some things are intuitive at first, but fall down later because they are not logical, so you can't apply things you've learned one place elsewhere.

      The best interfaces are logical, and expose the logic as intuitively and quickly as possible. I guess the problem is working out what someone will be able to interpret quickly. Case in point: icon-only control systems may take up less space, but unless the pictures actually represent something the user already knows about, they are less easy to i
  • Timesprout post an insightful comment on this article which included a detailed explanation of why 42 is the answer to everything, what the ?? in step 2 of the 3 steps to profit meme really is and how to easily fill Natalie Portman's pants with hot grits, and even better, how to then get her to remove those pants.

    However Timesprout failed to use lay-flat text for his comment and it flopped closed as soon as it was posted which means no one can read it unfortunately.

    Slashdot Ed.
  • Drupal on Dr. Dobbs (Score:5, Informative)

    by twinkie_away (1112367) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @03:11PM (#19414873)
    It should be noted that the first chapter of the book is available on Dr. Dobb's [ddj.com] and gives a good overview of what Drupal is and how it works.
  • MediaWiki (Score:4, Interesting)

    by saibot834 (1061528) on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @03:15PM (#19414967) Homepage
    I'm the Administrator of my school's homepage and I use the software MediaWiki [mediawiki.org] also used by Wikipedia. Of course, it's designed mainly for community projects such as Wikipedia and Wikia [wikia.com]-Wikis but it works equally well with few editors. And you have the big advantage of being able to open up your homepage, making it editable by others (in my case, the teachers and perhaps even students).

    What I don't like about Joomla and all those WYSIWYG [wikipedia.org]-Editors is, that the homepage is not standardized. Every editor has his own way of formatting and making headlines and so you get many pieces instead of _one_ homepage. With MediaWiki you just enter
    == Headline ==
    and every headline looks the same.
    IMHO, MediaWiki is a great choice, particularly if you have more than one editor.
    • by Mouse42 (765369)
      Theres now a module to have a wiki-text filter for Drupal, so if you want to format text like usuale wikis, just install that module.
    • by muszek (882567)
      You're talking about syntax as a thing that's defining the difference between wikis and CMSs while in fact this is just a way of entering data. As my sibling noted, you can use wiki-like syntax in Drupal. You can use a regular html, bb-code, a few different wysiwyg editors and heck knows what else.

      What I don't like about Joomla and all those WYSIWYG-Editors is, that the homepage is not standardized. Every editor has his own way of formatting and making headlines and so you get many pieces instead of _one_

      • by pnutjam (523990)
        I think he's talking more about the way that drupal organizes things as "nodes" (I think) and promotes the newest entry. It's more blog like. I don't like that myself. It also means that pages are not necessarily linked together, although they can be searched for. I prefer the way a wiki strings things together with links and gives you more control over your content. It also appears more static.

        I like pmwiki, it's simpler then mediawiki.
  • The sample source code in many cases could benefit from more use of whitespace -- particularly for the PHP code.

    I haven't read the book, so I don't know which direction they have gone, but this either means that they are following or breaching the Drupal conventions for code formatting. Drupal has an entire document on coding standards [drupal.org], and someone who HAS seen the book could perhaps comment on whether the examples follow the standards or not...

  • by Just Some Guy (3352) <kirk+slashdot@strauser.com> on Wednesday June 06, 2007 @03:42PM (#19415415) Homepage Journal

    I just tried Drupal for the first time a few weeks ago whenever Google was having problems with their personalized site and I wanted to make a self-hosted equivalent. I have to say that it's just about the slickest CMS I've played with. I installed a couple of modules, configured everything through the web admin, and got my own personal My Yahoo! workalike.

    I liked Plone but it always felt over-engineered and sluggish. Drupal, on the other hand, seems light and quick. I don't really have much else to add the the conversation, except to say that it's worth trying if you're looking at CMSes.

    • by Dan Hayes (212400)
      Having just had to develop a small site using Plone (having never used it or Zope before) I know what you mean. The trouble as I see is that it's based on Zope, which is transitioning from version 2 to 3 (a major change), and so you've got bits of both underlying Plone, with additional integration code which confuses issues even more. Plus developing for Plone has changed a lot from version 2 to 2.1 to 2.5, and the documentation is pretty rubbish - lots of it is outdated, and even more of it is a nightmare
      • Well, I love Zope, or at least like it an awful lot. I "get" Plone. But it seemed like the opposite of its goals, like a giant interdependent ball of dependencies. Drupal was such a breath of fresh air. Want stock quotes? Install the stock quote module and add it to the lefthand column. I'm always a little skeptical of PHP-based projects because so many of them are awful, but Drupal seems like a very decently engineered package. Plus, those sub-second page load times without setting up ZEO clusters a

  • I got fed up babysitting all the material on our commercial website where the staff were hacking away with Dreamweaver 2 (10 euros on ebay) and I was developing it with the ridiculously complex and effing expensive Dreamweaver 8 (they could reduce a 200 page library entry to shreds with a single keystroke) so I found Mambo, checked it out set it up on our development site and then asked the staff to try it. No one could understand it.
    Found PHPwebsite, set it up on our development website, asked the staff t
  • Even IBM gives short tutorial on how to develop with Drupal.
    http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/ibm/osource/ implement.html [ibm.com]
  • I did some extensive research for an open source CMS for my WoW guild. I ended up choosing e107 [e107.org] and I couldn't be happier. It's a pretty dang good CMS.

    For those of you looking at CMSs... the site Open Source CMS [opensourcecms.com] is an invaluable resource. They allow you to demo all of the popular choices and choose which one you like the best.

  • I can't find out what version of Drupal the authors based this book on. Anyone know?
    • Pro Drupal Development covers Drupal 5. However, I think many of the concepts laid out in the book are helpful in getting familiar with the "Drupal way" of thinking.
      • I am banking on the parent being right. I put off ordering the book (it should be here tomorrow) and even though I don't do PHP I am hopeful about getting some ideas about how Drupal works. I read the theming chapter, and even though I thought I understood that aspect pretty well, I learned enough to encourage me to buy the book. Drupal does have a set way of doing things, and I can easily see how an understanding of the current version could help with future releases.
    • by gozar (39392)

      I can't find out what version of Drupal the authors based this book on. Anyone know?

      Ummm, you could read the review :-) :

      Similarly, the authors also do not mention that the book is, for the most part, only applicable to Drupal version 5, and not version 4 or earlier versions, since there have been some dramatic changes with the release of version 5. In fact, given the extent of the changes and how that would impact the utility of the book depending upon what version of Drupal the reader is using, it sho

  • I got the book and it has been helpful in distilling down the massive amount of information available about Drupal development. I see Drupal's strength as a framework for building your own applications on top, due to the design of the module and add-on system. I've also used Joomla/Mambo and both can provide a strong CMS for your website. The primary difference lies in whether you want an as much out of the box functionality as you can get (Joomla/Mambo) or if you want some out of the box functionality with

  • I just bought the Nintendo DS Browser (Opera), and the sole problem I have with it is that it doesn't store passwords or cookies. Is there a way to bookmark a login URL for Drupal so that I don't have to manually log in each time? I've tried replacing the POST with a GET in the normal login form, but I'm guessing that it expects some cookies to be set before you can actually submit that.

    Bonus points and a case of beer for anyone who knows how to write a Squid plugin to store and transmit cookies on a pe

  • Great to see books like this emerge around an opensource product like Drupal. We powered our main blog on Drupal for a couple of years and found it pretty cool, and built heaps of sites in Joomla, and they're both cool, Drupal is a bit hard on non-technical end users though, but over the last 6 months we have moved over to a pretty cool AJAX filled Opensource CMS Silverstripe http://www.silverstripe.com/ [silverstripe.com]. Silverstripe has only been opensource for about 9 months, but its hit the OSS shelf as a clean code ba
    • cool young web company who were sick of there being thousands of CMS's and every web company having there own.


      I don't queston its quality (hell, I haven't even tried it). But still:

      There was this web company who was sick of every web company having their own CMS, so they made their own CMS?
      • Sorry, What I meant was SilverStripe were a web company with their own CMS like so many others, but then decided to open source it unlike the others, and offered turned their significant investment in SilverStripe into a free community resource and prime contributers to. I think thats pretty cool and is going to help prevent a lot of reinvention by individual web companies. SilverStripe is one of the 3 CMS's along side Drupal and Joomla on the google summer of code, and I think thats a reflection of them be
        • Mh. I must go check this out. Previously when I've seen any 3 CMS being mentioned in one sentence, the third one (besides Drupal and Joomla) was Typo3... strangely, I never heard of SilverStripe before.
  • I've used drupal, and although my first impressions were positive, the further I delved the more disappointed I became. If you want it to look and work just like it came in the box then fine, but if you want to add any functionality at all you need to get to grips with an incredibly convoluted API and call hierarchy. I'm not saying it's worse than any of the others out there, just that it's not that great either. quote: "Installing Drupal and using it to create a simple site, is fairly straightforward, i
    • First, installing Drupal is like a three step process.

      1. Check the latest stable branch out of cvs:

      cd htdocs
      cvs -d:pserver:anonymous:anonymous@cvs.drupal.org:/cvs /drupal checkout -r DRUPAL-5 drupal

      2. Create an empty database in MySQL.

      3. In your web browser, go to http://example.com/drupal/install.php [example.com] and run the web-based installer.

      Secondly, "finding your own posts on the forums can be a nightmare." Here's a complicated algorithm that may help you. Hang on, this is tough:

      1. Log in.

      2. Click on "My recent po
      • BTW, I got those instructions for installing Drupal from cvs from here [drupal.org]. cvs -d:pserver:anonymous:anonymous@cvs.drupal.org:/cvs /drupal checkout -r DRUPAL-5 drupal
      • And I see that this is explained in the book in the Development Best Practices chapter, under Checking Out Drupal from CVS (page 326).
      • Installing it isn't the problem. Getting it to do anything useful is, or getting it to work the way you want it to is. It's fine for some sites, but not for anything complex.
        • by blakhol (919393)

          Actually most of the Drupal sites I see are complex. Because of Drupal's modularity, you can just plug modules in to add complexity.

          Maybe what you need is a good book on Drupal's architecture and how it works so you can "get it to do something useful." Oh, wait! I hear there's one out now. Where did I read that again? I think it was on Slashdot somewhere.

          • The fact that you need a book on Drupal development kinda contradicts the claim that the documentation is excellent. But yeah, now there's a book it might be easier.
  • Buy the book from http://www.drupalbook.com/ [drupalbook.com] help support the Drupal project!

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