RIAA, Safenet Sued For Malicious Prosecution 337
DaveAtFraud writes "Tanya Anderson, the single mother from Oregon previously sued by the RIAA — which dropped the case just before losing a summary judgement — is now suing the RIAA and their hired snoop Safenet for malicious prosecution. (Safenet was formerly known as MediaSentry.) Anderson is asserting claims under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act. A reader at Groklaw has already picked up that she is seeking to have the RIAA forfeit the copyrights in question as part of the settlement (search the page for '18.6-7')."
Give up the copyrights? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Give up the copyrights? (Score:5, Insightful)
Hope she has money (Score:4, Insightful)
What really needs to happen is to get a couple of the hawkish Attourny Generals, like NY's, involved and looking into the RIAA's actions. They, actually, have some power to do something about the RIAA's tactics.
Re:Give up the copyrights? (Score:5, Insightful)
I hope it works (:
I'm beginning to think the tide is turning on the RIAA.
Finally someone brings up RICO (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Give up the copyrights? (Score:3, Insightful)
If they broke the law then yes. She expects the courts to uphold the law. Besides, since they are so rich, they can afford to pay when they violate the laws they claim to follow.
Re:Finally someone brings up RICO (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:This woman should just leave it alone... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:This woman should just leave it alone... (Score:5, Insightful)
Groklaw is irrelevant. The RIAA were dead wrong in this case, and now she wants them to pay for their mistake. She has every right to do so. That's how the legal system works in the US.
Re:This woman should just leave it alone... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:How to avoid a jury trial/force a settlement? (Score:5, Insightful)
Which is why you would never be on the jury, because you have already made up your mind about the outcome.
Re:This woman should just leave it alone... (Score:5, Insightful)
It is, indeed. And threatening people who can't defend themselves unless they pay $4000 sounds to me an awful lot like a moneymaking scheme.
Just because it serves the dual purpose of "deterring" copyright violation doesn't mean it isn't extortion.
Re:This woman should just leave it alone... (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:This woman should just leave it alone... (Score:5, Insightful)
First, they file John Doe lawsuits, then use the discovery privileges they attain as a result of having those lawsuits filed to gather more information. As soon as the necessary information is gathered, the drop the original lawsuit (and offer settlement or go to court for a real lawsuit etc). The important thing here is that the John Doe lawsuit is never meant to be anything other than an abuse of process to give them wider investigative powers - definitely a violation of the spirit of the law.
Secondly, you get a knock on the door with a lawsuit from a multimillion (billion?) dollar company with the lawyers to match. Whether you've done something wrong or not, the temptation will be to buy the next couple of years of your life back by forking over 2 or 3 grand - the alternative is to fight for a year or 2 in court at great risk and expense... I think we'd all accept that the US litigation system favours he with the deepest pockets - so right or wrong, you still stand a shot of losing.. they know most folks will not take the risk for a couple of grand - that makes it extortion as plain as the hairs on my arse.
Re:This woman should just leave it alone... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:This woman should just leave it alone... (Score:5, Insightful)
If someone intentionally runs you down with their car are you lucky if they run away when the cops arrive? (for the metaphorically impaired: I'm equating the cops arriving with the impending summary judgments that led the MAFIAA to drop their case). Wouldn't you try to sue them for you medical bills? How is that any different from her suing them for the legal bills they caused her to incur to defend herself against their bogus charges?
Re:Hope she has money (Score:5, Insightful)
Nope. It's better go in with a shotgun and a carton of videotape. Rifles are for D.A's, programmers, and writers. When you're wronged, you want to slap as many people as you can.
Re:This woman should just leave it alone... (Score:1, Insightful)
That's the insidious beauty of it all...
Re:This woman should just leave it alone... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Hope she has money (Score:1, Insightful)
It IS organized crime plain and simple. Just because they abuse the courts and lawyers to strong arm and extort money out of people does not make it anything different. They are stopping short of outright murder, but I bet that if you leave them unchecked long enough that will be on the plate soon, people "accidentally" killed during a RIAA raid.
I strongly suggest you study the basics of right and wrong, Obviousally your parents did not teach you those basics.
RIAA and Record companies ARE in FACT organized criminals. They should be put away for their crimes against America, their abuses of taxpayer resources, and their outright extortion of families. They know for a fact that what they are doing is wrong, they are doing it because it's profitable.
Just like drug dealers, mafia bosses and roving gangs in major cities. The Executives are no better than the leaders of the Crips or Bloods.
Re:This woman should just leave it alone... (Score:2, Insightful)
"Such a nice shop you've got here. Be a shame if anything were to happen to it, you know what I mean?"
And since the RIAA lawsuit's boil down to:
"Such a nice house you've got there. Be a shame if you were to lose it in, say, a lawsuit by a multinational cartel against your family. Now, how about an out of court settlement for a few thousand, and you never talk to anyone about this, capische?"
it's basically the same thing.
I would have probably modded you down too... (Score:1, Insightful)
I think I would have modded you troll or overrated if I had mod points based on your original comment.
There may be something positive to say about the RIAA, but this particular subject isn't one of them. Oh, and neither are their efforts to attempt to deep-six internet radio, and then there is the DMCA...yeah, the RIAA doesn't have a lot of good karma, IMHO.
Re:Give up the copyrights? (Score:3, Insightful)
If they broke the law then yes. She expects the courts to uphold the law. Besides, since they are so rich, they can afford to pay when they violate the laws they claim to follow.
you meant to say
Besides, since they are so rich, they can afford to pay when they violate the laws they write.
It's an easy enough mistake to make.
Re:Give up the copyrights? (Score:5, Insightful)
No, she doesn't, BUT, the RIAA is an agent acting on behalf of the label. In that capacity, not only is the RIAA liable for their behavior, the label is on the hook as well. If the RIAA claims this not the case, then all legal actions brought by the RIAA for infringement are falsely represented and that places them on a completely different hook for completely different violations of the law.
Either which way they try to wiggle, this is not a happy place for them, which means it's a very happy place for the rest of us.
Re:Hope she has money (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I would have probably modded you down too... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Give up the copyrights? (Score:2, Insightful)
Fixed your typo!
Depends... (Score:1, Insightful)
As someone else pointed out, it's better to try to educate someone, than to immediately assume they are just wrong.
That being said, mod points can be emotional in nature...which is just a side effect of having them. Maybe this is a good example of that. As a general rule, to avoid being tagged as a troll/overrated, making statements that show some thinking involved is the best defense.
Note-I do not download songs via P2P, I buy used CD's from Amazon and such, so while I have no sympathy for the RIAA, AFAIK, I also do not put myself at high risk. I get my MP3's via NNTP and a few internet-based vendors, but not iTunes...yet.
Re:This woman should just leave it alone... (Score:3, Insightful)
You're kidding! (Score:2, Insightful)
For shame, Slashdot, for shame.
Re:Give up the copyrights? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:She's going to win, too (Score:4, Insightful)
Just a thought (Score:1, Insightful)
Now for the purpose of my $0.02. . . get your Tin Hats Ready
The RIAA who do not seem to embrace a newer distribution model for music ( for their own reasons) seem not to be technophobic, evident by utilizing companies such as SafeNet. Is it not possible they employ a similar method in attempting to shape forums which are appear to not work in their favour ( pay people to put a certain view on a high traffic sitelike digg or Slashdot).
I guess that while you never really know who posted the comment you need to consider their bias. . . . .
what is my bias, Not particularly fond of the RIAA not anti them either, however i find what they seem to be doing of late ethically questionable to the point where when purchasing music if i see they have anything to do with my music purchase i avoid it. I guess i vote with my wallet . . . . . .
Re:Give up the copyrights? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Give up the copyrights? (Score:3, Insightful)
Let's not believe something's happening just because we really really want it to.
Re:How to avoid a jury trial/force a settlement? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:You're kidding! (Score:5, Insightful)
The moderation system has issues - that being the human tendency to claim that any conflicting viewpoint, no matter whether it's expressed in a sane manner or not, is "trolling" or otherwise needs to be censored.
We have meta-moderation to try to help, but all that does is show that abuse exists; it comes far too late to reverse it properly.
Re:Finally someone brings up RICO (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Give up the copyrights? (Score:3, Insightful)
C//
Re:Read the whole lawsuit - WOW (Score:3, Insightful)
-all the cases are based on FastTrack, which technically sophisticated file sharers apparently haven't been using for years
--no technically sophisticated person bent on copyright infringement would be using his own computer, his own internet access account, his own wireless signal, etc.
--any technically sophisticated person engaged in 'copyright piracy' would probably be using dummies, zombies, slaves, whatever... and would not be using his or her own computer.
In other words, the RIAA's campaign is not geared towards catching serious copyright infringers; it is geared towards disrupting people's lives and making a lot of noise and causing a lot of pain. The RIAA itself has termed it a "driftnet" strategy. See ACLU brief in Capitol v. Foster [blogspot.com]. But if it's a driftnet, it's a pretty strange driftnet.... because the one thing it is NOT designed to catch is the 'copyright pirate' the RIAA professes to be 'angling' for.