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Captain America Buried in Arlington National Cemetary 314

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from the lotta-weepy-spandex dept.
coondoggie writes "Earlier this year Captain America was slain as the climax to Marvel Comics' Civil War event. The renowned hero will be buried in the next issue of Marvel Comics' 'Fallen Son,' due on July 5. 'Writer Jeph Loeb has been busy working through the stages of grief in his most recent titles, according to an Associated Press story. A book centered on Wolverine dealt with denial; one with the Avengers covered anger; and Spider-Man battled depression. With the story line so relevant to present-day politics, and the timing of the latest issue so precise, it's hard not to think the whole thing is one big slam on the government.'"
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Captain America Buried in Arlington National Cemetary

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  • by superpulpsicle (533373) on Tuesday July 03, 2007 @09:14AM (#19729441)
    How about burying real politicians instead of Capt. America.
    • by tomhudson (43916) <barbara.hudson@NoSPam.barbara-hudson.com> on Tuesday July 03, 2007 @09:24AM (#19729563) Journal

      "How about burying real politicians instead of Capt. America."

      How about burying lawyers instead of Capt. America.

      Fixed it for you.

      A busload full of lawyers crashed outsided of town. When the emergency crews arrived on the scene, they found that the local townfolk had already buried all the lawyers. Surveying the wreckage, one EMT said "the crash doesn't look that bad. Didn't any of them survive?" "Well, some of them SAID they were still alive, but you know how them lawyer fellas like to lie."

  • by AltGrendel (175092)
    With the story line so relevant to present-day politics, and the timing of the latest issue so precise, it's hard not to think the whole thing is one big slam on the government.

    With an administration that is turning out to be as bad as the Nixon [wikipedia.org] and Harding [wikipedia.org] administrations combined, I wouldn't be at all surprised. Marvel will tell you that it's just coincidence, and it may very well be, but that doesn't mean it's not timely.

    • by AxemRed (755470) on Tuesday July 03, 2007 @09:21AM (#19729509)
      At least Harding knew that his cronies were doing wrong and had a problem with it. From Wikipedia:

      "My God, this is a hell of a job!" Harding said. "I have no trouble with my enemies, but my damn friends, my God-damned friends... they're the ones that keep me walking the floor nights!"

      Bush just gives them a pat on the back...
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      With an administration that is turning out to be as bad as the Nixon and Harding administrations combined, I wouldn't be at all surprised. Marvel will tell you that it's just coincidence, and it may very well be, but that doesn't mean it's not timely.

      You forgot to add "Clinton" to that list. You do realize Bill Clinton pardoned 16 members of the FALN [wikipedia.org], a Puerto Rican terrorist group responsible for more than 120 bombings and at least six deaths? And don't forget the cocaine trafficker, the bank fraudsters,
  • "cemetary"? (Score:5, Funny)

    by timster (32400) on Tuesday July 03, 2007 @09:17AM (#19729467)
    So tell me, where did they bury Captain Spelling? The libary?
    • by sinator (7980)
      Yes, and in the Cemetary, Grave Robers tried to pilfer his grave, only to be attacked by Skleltons and Zmobies and Lihces. Then the Bonerdagon attacked them all!
    • If you go "Eeeee!" all through the cemetery, you should be fine.
  • by hal2814 (725639) on Tuesday July 03, 2007 @09:19AM (#19729491)
    So the Red Skull assassinating Captain America is a slam on government? The arrest and surrounding Civil War hullabaloo is most likely a slam on government but Captain America's death is nothing more than a cash grab. They're just exchanging one live character with poor monthly sales and the occasional strong moment in ensemble titles for a martyr who can help bolster sales across the board. He'll be like Hal Jordan: more popular dead than he ever was alive. If this were really a slam on government, then the government would have a lot more to do with his actual death instead of it being a Red Skull masterminded event.
    • Exactly. And in addition to that, the government didn't beat Cap. He didn't care what the government thought (and is already known for fighting them several times throughout his career). What beat him was when he realized he was fighting the people. He gave up.

      I want Tony Stark to die by being slowly mashed into paste by a Hulk-Thor tagteam, but to be honest he's probably right. Vigilantes, no matter how much we love the underdog, are generally a bad thing. Civil War wasn't any more of an indictment of the
    • In other news, Marvel decides to make plot lines that sell comic books.

      How dare they kill off a character because it garners interest by fans!

      Red Skull has robbed George Bush of his glory!

      I think for even more, wallowing in the muck of increased sales, they should send Red Skull to GitMo, so that we can finally feel some pity for the character.... until of course, he starts working as a Prison Guard in Abu Ghraib.

      Ah, see... they are just toying with you. If you keep with it, you will get a great payoff with
  • by kgp_crap (997022) on Tuesday July 03, 2007 @09:21AM (#19729507)
    It is later revealed that the plan was orchestrated by the Red Skull;

    This just in from Marvel..In the next issue..Red Skull gets a Presidential pardon.
    • That doesn't happen till after the elections buddy.
    • It is very appropriate that he did... things standing as they are these days.

      To continue the metaphor, I think his coffin should be draped with the Constitution, rather than the flag. So that they can both rest in peace with the respect they deserve.
  • ...but my Real American Hero is actually Mr. Giant Foam Finger Maker. [whipnet.com]
  • Why is Marvel killing-off all of their heroes? Is it to make room for new comics, pursue movie-making using all the old material, what? I think continuing the comic stories is a loss for them. Comic sales, I've heard, have been steadily declining for years.

    I will say this though, "The Hulk: The End," was by far one of the best comics I've ever read. Him being the very last hero -- even human -- alive is very fitting in the Marvel universe....

    • by nahdude812 (88157) *

      Comic sales, I've heard, have been steadily declining for years.
      To take a tip from our RIAA overlords, we can assume that this is in some way related to file sharing and peer to peer in general.

      It's time we start selling comic books with a biometric lock which can only be read by one person, up to a maximum of 4 different fingers. The only explanation for these declining sales is clearly no fault of the industry.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by hal2814 (725639)
      Hero deaths in futures that aren't part of the standard Marvel universe are very common. "Days of Future Past", "The Last Avengers Story"*, "Death's Head II Miniseries", "Earth X" etc are all books that show the death of a character or set of characters in a way that does not affect the continuity of the Marvel Comics universe. "Hulk: The End" fits into that category. Hulk dies but it's a story set in a future that likely will never happen in any of Marvel's other monthly titles (or even in the Incredibl
    • Remember, Marvel has _three_ separate story lines going these days:

      - Mainstream Marvel universe (Earth-616) (the old titles, w/ issue numbers ranging well past the hundreds
      - ``Ultimates'' (Earth-1610) which has only just started to reach past 100 w/ Spiderman
      - Marvel Adventures (Earth-20051) which is their line of stories suited for younger readers

      Captain America is alive and well in the latter two, and as the numbers indicate they've got lots more, which get written about on a semi-
    • Dying in a comic is like dying on a soap opera. You're only truly "dead" if the audience doesn't want you back.
    • The Comic Book Guy [wikipedia.org] is wearing his too-small Captain America t-shirt in mourning. He is also marking up the price on all of his Captain America stock.
  • by 91degrees (207121) on Tuesday July 03, 2007 @09:24AM (#19729551) Journal
    I'm amused by how the mainstream media has fallen for this marketting hype. We're geekier than that though. Death is one of the least permanent states for a comic character. Superman died in the 1990's. He seemed to get better and he wasn't the first. I very much doubt Jean Grey was either. Even Uncle Ben has been ressurected briefly via an alternative timeline.
    • by solevita (967690)
      >Even Uncle Ben has been ressurected briefly via an alternative timeline.

      The rice seller character was an eternal money spinner.
  • Please, tell me it was some agents from the CIA, and by presidential orders!! It would fit this government PERFECTLY.
  • by 8tim8 (623968)
    >it's hard not to think the whole thing is one big slam on the government.

    It's been quite a while since I've read comics, but do comics today even mention Iraq? And what exactly is a "big slam on the government"? A vague commentary on the fact that (gasp!) people sometimes die, and the gov't should do something about it? Or is the death of Captain America a specific critique of Bush's policies in Iraq? Could someone who's followed the storyline enlighten me? Thanks.
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Jack Sombra (948340)
      "It's been quite a while since I've read comics, but do comics today even mention Iraq? And what exactly is a "big slam on the government"? A vague commentary on the fact that (gasp!) people sometimes die, and the gov't should do something about it? Or is the death of Captain America a specific critique of Bush's policies in Iraq? Could someone who's followed the storyline enlighten me? Thanks"

      Do comic's mention Iraq? yes regularly but always as a side note because if they bring it to much to the fore it wo
  • Captain Marvel is dumped into some pauper's grave in Sioux Falls and this commie-bashing traitorous prick gets a spot in Arlington Cemetery?!?!?
  • With the story line so relevant to present-day politics, and the timing of the latest issue so precise, it's hard not to think the whole thing is one big slam on the government.

    Isn't this one of the responsibilities artists have to the society that supports them?
    • Isn't this one of the responsibilities artists have to the society that supports them?

      The only "responsibility" that enters into it is the responsibility of these particular artists to make something that sells books for the company they work for.

      In general though, as an artist I can tell you with extreme confidence that I'm not responsible for a damn thing apart from getting whatever's in my head out onto the paper/disc/website/sculpture/performance/whatever. There is no set of artist rules that demand my work be socially responsible. I can do that if I wish, but I can just as easily s

  • Probably not. The Doctor's next companion is to be Kylie Minogue. Who needs Captain America?
  • Or the opportunity to buy a pint for someone who actually did something heroic.

    http://johnsmeaton.com/ [johnsmeaton.com]

    Yes, beer really does cost £3($6) a pint here, and no I have no idea who's running the site.

     
  • by Anonymous Coward
    The Flag and America is nothing to do with government. Our government COULD be erased with a shrug of the peoples' shoulder or a flick of their wrist yet the flag and the meaning of America would still be the same. Those freaks in Washington are only considered America because WE allow it, period. Capatain America, instead of dying (?) needs to fly into the Capitol and start smackin some heads. Then he would need to fly around the world apologizing to the people we have destroyed along with helping peop
  • Like Electra. Once Hulk is done racking up a scorecard, I'me sure we will find out mst of the people who acted so out of character in Civil War were Skrull.

    Anybody who thinks Steve Rodgers isn't going to return withing 14 months doesn't know comics.
    • by brouski (827510)
      I think the Skrull infiltration is likely Tony's "out". We'll find out that he knew about (or suspected) the Skrull's presence on Earth, and Registration was his roundabout way of keeping tabs on the superheros, to try and determine who was who.
  • by Steeltalon (734391) on Tuesday July 03, 2007 @10:12AM (#19730129)
    Captain America gave up. Iron-Man, Reed Richards, and their goons were clearly in the wrong and Captain America gave up. Iron-Man and Reed are the ones who were committing (at best) "morally gray" acts. Iron-Man and Reed are the ones who cloned Thor, resulting in Goliath's death. Iron-Man and Reed are the ones who were supporting, guess what? The government. Captain America gave up the fight against the forces of oppression in a nod to the government. His death is, if anything, a sign that his breed of super-hero has no place in the Fox news world that Marvel seems to favor now. This is a slam against us. Certainly not to the government or to Iron-Man.
  • it's hard not to think the whole thing is one big slam on the government.

    Art and literature have always been used as commentary on all sorts of social issues. Why should comic books be exempt?

  • by twoallbeefpatties (615632) on Tuesday July 03, 2007 @10:22AM (#19730281)

    On one online comic forum I troll through, the majority of the readers are generally pissed off about Civil War. On the one hand, creating an effective pro-registration side meant essentially turning some superheroes evil. SHIELD shot first at Captain America - not for not wanting to register, but for not wanting to hunt down his old friends. And Iron Man lost all credibility he had in this encounter, including hiring former supervillians to start a false war with Atlantis, just to prove his point.

    Problem is, all of the "good guys" weren't much better. Rather than actually providing solid arguments as to what they were opposing the government for, most of the superheroes just ran around shouting how bad the government is and smoking weed and putting flowers in their hair. The few times that Captain America had a moment in front of a reporter to explain his case, he just listed a bunch of hippie talking points, rather than actually talking about how the law could hurt superheroes, or even mentioning that SHIELD shot at him first.

    Civil War could have been a chance to have some real commentary on modern issues, but it quickly devolved into just a chance for people to fight each other. There was no real discussion, no real logic, and Cap's sudden death just capped the whole thing off as being an attempt for controversy rather than any sort of political message.

    • by Shotgun (30919)
      ...could have been a chance to have some real commentary on modern issues, but it quickly devolved into just a chance for people to fight each other. There was no real discussion, no real logic...

      Kinda reminds me of how people REALLY act and react.

    • Civil War could have been a chance to have some real commentary on modern issues, but it quickly devolved into just a chance for people to fight each other. There was no real discussion, no real logic
      And I, for one, am shocked. SHOCKED that a comic book would devolve from it's original intent of rational discussion to a long fight scene.
      For shame! What has the world become, I ask. What indeed!
  • Captain America's been torn apart
    Now he's a court jester with a broken heart
    He said Turn me around and take me back to the start
    I must be losing my mind "are you blind?"
    I've seen it all a million times
  • Captain America Returns
    Issue #1
    Jan 2009

    The Evil Administration has finally convinced the American People that it is a self-serving entity and they are merely its pawns. It is shown that Evil shall not triumph in a Democracy as voters turned out in droves for the November election. In a landslide victory, a new President is voted into the White House, one whom the People can trust and in which they place their hopes in a New American Dream.

    Meanwhile...in a Top Secret Facility in an Undisclosed Location:

    Bee
  • by Speare (84249) on Tuesday July 03, 2007 @01:11PM (#19732669) Homepage Journal

    I'm wondering whatever happened to the NON-spandex type of comic book for kids? I know about the old days of moralistic censorship, and enjoyed "Understanding Comics" by McCloud, but I'm not seeing ANY kind of modern comic that doesn't involve stretchy or musclebound heroics. The only thing you find in the bookstores are strip-compendiums, like Garfield/Peanuts (too simple for my kid), or Calvin&Hobbes (some humor too esoteric). The rest are very expensive translations of Manga, a fair bit of which is not really pre-teen suitable. As bad as I think Disney can be for rotting your brain, I grew up with all the Scrooge McDuck titles and it at least gave me an early appreciation for the sequential-art mode of storytelling.

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