Captain America Buried in Arlington National Cemetary 314
coondoggie writes "Earlier this year Captain America was slain as the climax to Marvel Comics' Civil War event. The renowned hero will be buried in the next issue of Marvel Comics' 'Fallen Son,' due on July 5. 'Writer Jeph Loeb has been busy working through the stages of grief in his most recent titles, according to an Associated Press story. A book centered on Wolverine dealt with denial; one with the Avengers covered anger; and Spider-Man battled depression. With the story line so relevant to present-day politics, and the timing of the latest issue so precise, it's hard not to think the whole thing is one big slam on the government.'"
What do you expect? (Score:2, Insightful)
With an administration that is turning out to be as bad as the Nixon [wikipedia.org] and Harding [wikipedia.org] administrations combined, I wouldn't be at all surprised. Marvel will tell you that it's just coincidence, and it may very well be, but that doesn't mean it's not timely.
Slam on government? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:ok? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:ok? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:To the author... (Score:5, Insightful)
The fact is, most people don't seem to care. King George was reelected. You can point to his low approval rating, but congress is even lower, and noone is actually doing anything about it. Slick Willy got a blowjob and it was the end of the world, King George starts a war, usurps our freedoms, potentially stole 2 elections...well...that doesn't make as good sensationalist dirty gossip story so noone cares.
American Spirit is all but dead. Noone cares or is too busy shoveling themselves out of debt in our insane buy now pay later, keeping up with the Jones' culture. Lets not forget our wonderful lawmakers passed that nice law to make sure those poor credit companies don't have their money stolen by dirty citizens declaring bankruptcy!
Re:What do you expect? (Score:5, Insightful)
government is not America (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:To the author... (Score:2, Insightful)
Because:
1. he's only got a year and a half left in office
2. he's the dumb one - that would still leave cheney - the brains behind the idiot - as president
3. it wouldn't help get the country out of iraq
4. there aren't enough democrat senators to convict - so it would be a waste of time
Notice - that nowhere on the list is a concern that he doesn't deserve it, or isn't guilty of more than enough to warrant it. He surely is.
Commentary not really a great thing (Score:5, Insightful)
On one online comic forum I troll through, the majority of the readers are generally pissed off about Civil War. On the one hand, creating an effective pro-registration side meant essentially turning some superheroes evil. SHIELD shot first at Captain America - not for not wanting to register, but for not wanting to hunt down his old friends. And Iron Man lost all credibility he had in this encounter, including hiring former supervillians to start a false war with Atlantis, just to prove his point.
Problem is, all of the "good guys" weren't much better. Rather than actually providing solid arguments as to what they were opposing the government for, most of the superheroes just ran around shouting how bad the government is and smoking weed and putting flowers in their hair. The few times that Captain America had a moment in front of a reporter to explain his case, he just listed a bunch of hippie talking points, rather than actually talking about how the law could hurt superheroes, or even mentioning that SHIELD shot at him first.
Civil War could have been a chance to have some real commentary on modern issues, but it quickly devolved into just a chance for people to fight each other. There was no real discussion, no real logic, and Cap's sudden death just capped the whole thing off as being an attempt for controversy rather than any sort of political message.
Re:To the author... (Score:5, Insightful)
The details in the matter are that while under oath during a civil court case brought by Paula Jones then President Clinton was asked if he had had sex or an affair with Monica Lewinsky. He asked for clarification about what constituted sex and an affair, and sex was defined, BY THE PROSECUTOR, as penile-vaginal intercourse. He then answered that he had not had sex under this definition. I have never heard anyone say that Bill Clinton received more than a blow-job from Monica Lewinsky.
So please stop using the word "perjury". It is simply wrong to use in this case. You can say he lied (people may disagree on that point), and you can certainly say that he intended to mislead people (that cannot be disputed), but he did not perjure himself.
The subsequent disbarment was much more about the Whitewater investigations, and was highly politically charged. To the point that facts were mostly irrelevant in the case.
Re:To the author... (Score:5, Insightful)
Three Words....
Vice President Cheney
I finally understand why he was chosen by Bush. It's a reverse Dan Quayle. No one wanted George H Bush removed because Dan Quayle was an idiot. Now no one want George W Bush removed because Dick Cheney is EVIL.
Re:To the author... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:To the author... (Score:3, Insightful)
No. Slick Willy used the power of his office to sexually harass female employees with impunity. I've known men who were fired for speaking to the wrong woman and she reports that she felt 'uncomfortable'.
Policemen beat the shit out of a drugged-up black man and get away scott free, until other black people start a riot. Then the feds step in and subject the policemen to double-jeopardy.
Simpson kills his wife but beats the wrap because he has expensive lawyers.
If you lay out of work and live off welfare, the goverment will give you crappy healthcare. If you work your ass off 70hrs a week, you can get your employer to give you crappy healthcare.
American Spirit is all but dead. Noone cares or is too busy shoveling themselves out of debt in our insane buy now pay later, keeping up with the Jones' culture.
No one cares because we all realize that the system is rigged. We might as well buy now because we'll pay later whether we buy now or not.
Re:ok? (Score:3, Insightful)
Thats too bad. Everyone should make some time for some sort of hobby. Be it reading, or painting, or coding, or playing video games, everyone needs some kind of outlet. Try to take some time in the evening and talk with your family, or if you have young children, you could read to them. I mean if you're not reading books or enjoying a past time because you're thinking about the price of gas... you're thinking about the price of gas entirely too much.
And $80 a tank?!? Christ, first off maybe you should sell that SUV/Truck that you drive in the city. If its not that then its hard to complain about the cost of high-octane gasoline when you bought that imported sports car. The cost to fill it should've been obvious when you bought it.
But really, park the car in the garage and read a book or watch a movie some night. No money on gas to worry about, and you get a nice break and some time to yourself.
question about comics, comic books (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm wondering whatever happened to the NON-spandex type of comic book for kids? I know about the old days of moralistic censorship, and enjoyed "Understanding Comics" by McCloud, but I'm not seeing ANY kind of modern comic that doesn't involve stretchy or musclebound heroics. The only thing you find in the bookstores are strip-compendiums, like Garfield/Peanuts (too simple for my kid), or Calvin&Hobbes (some humor too esoteric). The rest are very expensive translations of Manga, a fair bit of which is not really pre-teen suitable. As bad as I think Disney can be for rotting your brain, I grew up with all the Scrooge McDuck titles and it at least gave me an early appreciation for the sequential-art mode of storytelling.
Re:To the author... (Score:3, Insightful)
I remember back in 2000 when people like you were saying that Bush was such a wonderful guy. They would rave about how Bush would clean up the culture in both parties. Now you've come back and are saying the same thing about Ron Paul. Another Texas Republican, another teary evangelist. Why should anyone believe you?
Re:To the author... [SPOILERS] (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:To the author... (Score:3, Insightful)
As for the "war" you're referring to, I am assuming that you're talking about the titular "War on Terra" that's been going on since the 70's, is still going on today, and will be going on for generations to come.
Here is the thing: You can't win a war against an idea. You can't shoot it. You can't scare it. But we go to Iraq and we give solid proof to every Muslim in the region that what their mullahs and imam's tell them about the US is absolutely true, and we create a bumper crop of future terrorists blaming us for everything bad in their lives that stemmed from our invasion.
Make no mistake. We made things worse, and we're going to be paying for it for decades. They hold grudges forever in that part of the world; they pass them down from father to son, mother to daughter.
Re:What do you expect? (Score:3, Insightful)
You forgot to add "Clinton" to that list. You do realize Bill Clinton pardoned 16 members of the FALN [wikipedia.org], a Puerto Rican terrorist group responsible for more than 120 bombings and at least six deaths? And don't forget the cocaine trafficker, the bank fraudsters, the perjurers, the billionaire tax evasion fugitive, the Whitewater contempt-of-court inmate, several Congressional Democrat felons, and his own drug-convicted brother. All of these done on the very last day of his presidency, of course. Not that such actions were in any way designed to pay back political favors while escaping any sort of press scrutiny or political fallout.
Lots of presidents have used the power of the pardon and clemency unwisely, but if you're going to go back as far as Harding to find an example to go with Nixon, I think you overlooked a rather sterling example of this kind of abuse. I fixed that for you.
Re:bullshit (Score:2, Insightful)
So, Libby lied about what? Having a faulty memory? He couldn't have lied about leaking Plame's identity because Armitage did that. And all this completely ignores the fact that (a) Plame didn't meet the definition of a covert agent since she hadn't served in a covert capacity in the last several years and (b) the person "leaking" the name of the "agent" had to be aware that the agent's status was protected. Libby met none of those requirements. Neither did Rove, Cheney, Bush, or anybody else. The only person who could reasonably be charged with doing anything wrong was Richard Armitage who, thus far, was completely ignored by the special counsel appointed specifically to investigate this entire non-incident.
Libby was a scapegoat alright, but a scapegoat of the left, not the right. Libby got convicted not to save Rove/Cheney/Bush, but because the Democrats had to produce a victim in their witch hunt or face humiliation.
And, for the record, Reagan shouldn't have pardoned a heroin dealer and Bush shouldn't have pardoned the Iran-Contra folks.