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Granny Sues RIAA Over Unlicensed Investigator 206

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "An elderly, non-file-sharing grandmother from East Texas, who had been sued by the RIAA after being displaced by Hurricane Rita, has sought leave to file counterclaims against the RIAA record companies for using unlicensed investigators. In her counterclaims (PDF) Ms. Crain claims that the record companies 'entered into an agreement with a private investigations company to provide investigative services which led to the production of evidence to be used in court against counterclaim plaintiff, including the identification of an IP address on the basis of which counterclaim defendants filed their suit... [They] were at the time of this agreement aware that the aforementioned private investigations company was unlicensed to conduct investigations in the State of Texas specifically, and in other states as well... [T]hey agreed between themselves and understood that unlicensed and unlawful investigations would take place in order to provide evidence for this lawsuit, as well as thousands of others as part of a mass litigation campaign... [T]he private investigations company hired by plaintiffs engaged in one or more overt acts of unlawful private investigation... Such actions constitute civil conspiracy under Texas common law.'"
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Granny Sues RIAA Over Unlicensed Investigator

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 03, 2007 @08:57PM (#19738291)
    Well, her lawyer knew enough to discover this information and file this anyway...

    The RIAA seriously needs to reconsider its position on this entire subject ... this has been a sad joke for such a long time ....
  • by Ungrounded Lightning ( 62228 ) on Tuesday July 03, 2007 @09:40PM (#19738655) Journal
    ... and the lawyer stampede has begun.

    Well, her lawyer knew enough to discover this information and file this anyway...

    You'll recall from an earlier article that Tanya Anderson's lawyer (in Oregon) http://www.ilrweb.com/viewILRPDFfull.asp?filename= andersen_riaa_070622complaint [slashdot.org]">found a number of grounds on which to countersue. One of those was using an unlicensed private investigator to get the IP number of alleged private-party infringers.

    Texas has a similar requirement for private investigators to be licensed. So THIS granny's attorney is filing a copycat countersuit. This is the second buffalo in the stampede.

    I expect we'll shortly see television ads from the law offices of James Sokolove asking whether you have received a settlement request from the RIAA, which is about to be nibbled to death by ducks. B-)
  • Re:you GO, girl! (Score:2, Informative)

    by martin_henry ( 1032656 ) on Tuesday July 03, 2007 @10:27PM (#19739021)
    The Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale:
    http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutsshs.shtml [noaa.gov]


    first result on google, dude! it's not like filing a legal counterclaim or anything :P

  • Re:Good, but... (Score:4, Informative)

    by Courageous ( 228506 ) on Tuesday July 03, 2007 @10:34PM (#19739085)
    I'm happy for the RIAA to get anything and everything that's coming to them, but I don't think it will change their litigation-happy behaviour at all.

    Depends on the findings. There was a case that came up just recently where the RIAA is being accused of both federal and state RICO charges as well as quite a number of other things. While this is only a civil case, these are criminal charges. If the findings go to the plaintiff on some of the more serious charges, and were the RIAA not to reform itself, the remedies in a follow-on case from any other party could be quite severe indeed.

    C//
  • by EssenceLumin ( 755374 ) on Tuesday July 03, 2007 @10:50PM (#19739191)
    That would be Little Old Lady from Pasadena.
  • Re:And yet... (Score:5, Informative)

    by NewYorkCountryLawyer ( 912032 ) * <ray AT beckermanlegal DOT com> on Wednesday July 04, 2007 @12:19AM (#19739775) Homepage Journal

    you don't have to be a techno wiz to fight against the RIAA. just need some money to fight them with.
    I don't think Ms. Crain has money. What she has is a great Legal Aid lawyer, John Stoneham, from Lone Star Legal Aid [lonestarlegal.org].
  • by Dogtanian ( 588974 ) on Wednesday July 04, 2007 @06:49AM (#19741755) Homepage

    my grandmother can't even double click...
    This probably isn't helpful, since the problem is likely symptomatic of her problems with computers rather than the cause. However, if you're running Windows (from the later versions of 95 onwards), there's a single-click option.

    In XP, it's under the file/directory window's Tools->Folder-Options... dialog, on the General tab. Select "Single click to open an item (point to select)".

    IIRC, this was called "Web View" when first introduced; it was supposed to make the computer interface more consistent with that of a web browser. I'm not sure that many people use it... except me.

    For some reason, I tried it out when I was learning 95, and kept it that way. This didn't strike me as being strange until right now, when I consciously thought about it. Although I like web-view in some ways, it's also a nuisance when you're trying to select multiple files, particularly from thumbnails- incorrectly hovering can lead to files being deselected (and so on). Not sure why I didn't change back- habit, I guess.
  • Re:Good, but... (Score:4, Informative)

    by NewYorkCountryLawyer ( 912032 ) * <ray AT beckermanlegal DOT com> on Wednesday July 04, 2007 @09:21AM (#19742795) Homepage Journal

    The problem is that the RIAA is just a faceless body representing the big labels, and until people start bitching about Sony, Universal Music, EMI etc, then what does the RIAA care if people hate them?
    In the context of these lawsuits, "RIAA" is just a synonym for the Big 4 record companies and their affiliated labels. Not every member of the RIAA is involved in this thing. It's just the Big 4 cartel. So if you boycott the major labels you're on track. Anyone who wants to look at any particular article, look up the names of the plaintiffs in that case, and put in a post listing them, will be doing a public service.

    But when I say "RIAA" I'm talking about the 4 major record companies and their labels.
  • Re:Hell Yeah! (Score:3, Informative)

    by NewYorkCountryLawyer ( 912032 ) * <ray AT beckermanlegal DOT com> on Wednesday July 04, 2007 @03:19PM (#19746213) Homepage Journal

    Ok, I admit, I'm not familiar with the situation in the US. Here, no money exchanges hands (besides the initial payment, which is nominal and usually less than 500 bucks) before the case is settled. Furthermore, we have a rather simple "loser pays all" system, where whoever loses the trial gets to pay for everything. His lawyer, his opponent's lawyer, court cost. The whole bill is footed by the party that doesn't win the trial. In case they reach an agreement, that bill is usually split somewhere (most of the time in the middle), but we're talking trials here that are already won. So far I thought it's the same in the US?
    Here it is totally different.

    General rule: each side pays his or her own fees.

    Generally lawyer gets paid by the hour.

    Lawyer works for "contingent" fee usually only in certain specialized, well-understood areas of the law. E.g., personal injury, tax certiorari, workers compensation, collections.

    "Malicious prosecution" cases don't arise until after the earlier case was won by the defendant, which would take years. The malicious prosecution case would then take a number of additional years to play out. Any lawyer who tried to make a living defending cases and doing "malicious prosecution" cases after winning them would be bankrupt very quickly.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 04, 2007 @03:25PM (#19746267)
    That is so funny! Except that the original song was done by 'Jan & Dean,' not the 'Beach Boys...'
  • Re:Hell Yeah! (Score:3, Informative)

    by NewYorkCountryLawyer ( 912032 ) * <ray AT beckermanlegal DOT com> on Thursday July 05, 2007 @02:07PM (#19756669) Homepage Journal

    I think a lot of Slashdotters are unfamiliar with the way large cases like this play out. This is the same reason why there are not very many lawyers that would take on big tobacco. You have to have a law firm that is staffed and willing to go several millions into the red on billable hours just to compete with the RIAA's defense team, who will surely go farther into the red on billable hours to avoid a precedent setting outcome.
    Interesting that you should make that analogy, as the RIAA's last firm -- Shook Hardy and Bacon -- were lawyers for "big tobacco".

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