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UK Copyright Extension in Exchange for Censorship? 238

Awel writes "The UK opposition leader, David Cameron, says in a speech to the British Phonographic Industry that his party would work to extend the copyright term to 70 years and crack down on piracy. But in return, labels would have to agree to bear more 'social responsibility', which appears to translate into avoiding lyrics that glorify 'an anti-learning culture, truancy, knifes, violence, guns, misogyny'. He doesn't spell out how this would be achieved in practice. This follows the publication in December of a UK government report recommending that the standard copyright term in Europe remain at 50 years (and not be raised to 70 or 95 years)."
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UK Copyright Extension in Exchange for Censorship?

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  • Pointless deal. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Devv ( 992734 ) on Friday July 06, 2007 @09:13AM (#19766215)
    Look at what music has become. A great way to express your opinion huh?

    Think about it! The whole thing is ridiculous. The labels decide what the artists sing so it's not really the artists opinion and the labels just make them sing what gives the most money.

    If they sing about anarchy then it's no ones opinion? It might just affect the listeners but what if the listeners know it's not the artists opinion?
  • by Grimwiz ( 28623 ) on Friday July 06, 2007 @09:28AM (#19766359) Homepage
    Well, considering he was at the British Phonographic Industry trying to drum up votes any politician worth his salt would tell them what they want to hear and therefore why they should vote for his party.

    I hope he's lying to them as usual as per UK ministers' standard operating procedures. If this makes it into the manifesto then I cannot support the party, and if there are enough likeminded people that will cost them more votes than pandering to the racket.

    Apologies if I come over as a bit bitter and twisted, but a poll of my peers (8 of us, professional, 40 years old-ish) has indicated that none of us believe either of the two main parties represent our wishes.
  • by Richard W.M. Jones ( 591125 ) <{rich} {at} {annexia.org}> on Friday July 06, 2007 @09:57AM (#19766679) Homepage

    The irony, of course, is that one of the main problems with effectively-perpetual copyright is the many restrictions it places on open commentary and free speech. Perpetual and rigidly-enforced copyrights essentially produce a chilling effect in the domain of free public discussion. Since copyright is a government-granted monopoly, it is hard to not label this as censorship.

    In many ways it's good to see Mr Cameron getting "Back to Basics" [wikipedia.org] here. After all the original purpose of copyright, from before the Statute of Anne [wikipedia.org] was to ensure that the Company of Stationers [wikipedia.org] censored all works that might have been critical of the Tudor monarchy.

    Way to go, medieval values ...

    Rich.

  • Re:Nanny state (Score:3, Interesting)

    by robably ( 1044462 ) on Friday July 06, 2007 @09:59AM (#19766715) Journal

    Well, this puts me right off David Cameron.
    If it took this to put you off David Cameron, you haven't been paying attention to what a knee-jerk-politics empty-headed photo-op publicity-seeker he is.

    but if it is the UK gov doing it, nobody bats an eyelid.
    This isn't the UK government imposing a law, it's a proposal by the leader of the opposition. People in the UK do complain when the government does something they don't like, loudly. Downing Street even has a site where you can create and sign petitions [pm.gov.uk] so your complaint has a good chance of being heard. The roads pricing petition had over a million signatures - how is that "nobody bats and eyelid"?

    For example, smoking. I hate smoking, it's horrid. But if people want to do it, they should be able to go to pubs where it's allowed.
    I'm one of the biggest believers in a leave-everyone-the-hell-alone government that there is, but smoking indoors doesn't fall in to that category. If you smoke indoors you affect the other people in that room - why should I have to wash my clothes just because I went for a drink?

    And if people want to copy music or books or whatever of an artist that is well dead and buried then they should be able to do that too.
    There we agree.
  • Re:Nanny state (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Odiumjunkie ( 926074 ) on Friday July 06, 2007 @10:16AM (#19766965) Journal
    I believe the OP was suggesting that there should be some pubs where it's allowed.

    If local councils were allowed to license, say, 5% of pubs in their area to allow smoking, on condition of having good air conditioning, not allowing children in even with families, and an extra license fee, for example, it's highly unlikely that anyone would go to that pub, or indeed work in that pub, who didn't want to be in a smoky environment.

    I think it would be a pretty fair solution. Most pubs remain smoke-free, but smokers willing to sit in a filthy haze of carcinogens are able to, surrounded by other smokers willing to sit in a filthy haze of carcinogens.

    It would also allow places like cigar clubs to still exist.
  • by jabuzz ( 182671 ) on Friday July 06, 2007 @10:21AM (#19767031) Homepage

    So the music industry want to retroactively change the terms of the license. Thing is we already have already aggreed a contract. In particular I have a number of spoken word audiobooks, the original text of which is long out of copyright. I had a reasonably expectation when I purchased those audiobooks that the copyright on the recording of the books would lapse 50 years after it was made. I have made special note of the dates, and fully intend when the 50 years is up to release these professionally made recordings by leading performers on the internet (or equivalent) free for all.

    What gives them the right to change the terms of that implied contract, and can I demand my money back? Alternatively if they have broken the contract can I just ignore it as well?
  • Re:Nanny state (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mattkime ( 8466 ) on Friday July 06, 2007 @10:32AM (#19767167)
    You can banty around high minded ideas relating to personal freedom all you want but seeing the law in person will give you a much different impression.

    New York City passed the law several years ago and it has been AMAZINGLY successful. It has been popular with smokers and non-smokers alike.

    Non-smokers don't like sitting in smoke. Smokers don't like sitting in other people's smoke. People don't like coming home from pubs smelling like an ash tray.

    Bar owners feared that people would stay away because they couldn't smoke indoors. The opposite happened. People stay LONGER because they're not poisoning themselves by breathing the air.
  • Exactly backwards (Score:4, Interesting)

    by wytcld ( 179112 ) on Friday July 06, 2007 @11:12AM (#19767711) Homepage
    To achieve the aim of maximizing the quality of the culture transmitted by copyrighted works, the term of copyright should be shortened, and the rights of citizens to make certain types of copies even within that term should be expanded. Why? Because the larger portion of the crassness in our culture is there in service of commercial interest - commerce whose shape and nature is in part determined by the ecological niche allowed it by our extravagant copyrights and other legal structures which are designed to amplify the profits of our largest corporate players.

    The proof of this? Compare the musical offerings of small, independent labels to that of the majors. There is proportionately far less lowest-denominator sexuality, gangsta worship, women-hatred - and there's far more actual aural art as compared to the cheap sonic wallpaper the big labels prefer to sell us. The same differences can be found between the offerings of the small presses and the big publishing houses. And when the small recording labels and presses do release something with sex or violence featured, it's usually of much greater artistic worth, and doesn't trivialize either the sex or the violence the way the big corporations prefer to.

    Unfettered capitalism by smaller players is the cure to our cultural failings. But they will not prosper as long as government regulation tilts the field towards the largest corporate interests. Long copyright terms are one brick in the wall preventing the free flourishing of the arts. And it's the lack of better-done art which leaves the public hungry enough to accept the empty calories the large, government-favored firms want to sell. Those empty calories will inevitably be dressed up in sex and violence, because the higher, more mindful forms of expression require levels of art largely incompatible with corporate packaging, and in any case tend to contribute to unwelcome challenges to the dumbed-down public mentality which proves so pliable to our political and corporate masters.

    You'd think a Conservative in Britain would realize that this current regime is playing mostly into the hands of New Labor, and that a return to the more conservative form of capitalism, where small players are encouraged to do their entrepreneurial best, and corporations towards the monopolistic end of the spectrum are restrained or even broken up by government, rather than treated as its special partners - which is the very neo-fascism that New Labor has led Britain into.
  • Re:Pointless deal. (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 06, 2007 @12:22PM (#19768927)
    If they sing about anarchy then it's no ones opinion?

    You mean like Anti-Flag? [wikipedia.org]

    10 easy steps to create an enemy and start a war:

    Listen closely because we will all see this weapon used in our lives. It can be used on a society of the most ignorant to the most highly educated. We need to see their tactics as a weapon against humanity and not as truth.

    First step: create the enemy. Sometimes this will be done for you.

    Second step: be sure the enemy you have chosen is nothing like you. Find obvious differences like race, language, religion, dietary habits fashion. Emphasize that their soldiers are not doing a job, they are heatless murderers who enjoy killing!

    Third step: Once these differences are established continue to reinforce them with all disseminated information.

    Fourth step: Have the media broadcast only the ruling party's information this can be done through state run media. Remember, in times of conflict all for-profit media repeats the ruling party's information. Therefore all for-profit media becomes state-run.

    Fifth step: show this enemy in actions that seem strange, militant, or different. Always portray the enemy as non-human, evil, a killing machine.

    CHORUS: THIS IS HOW TO CREATE AN ENEMY. THIS IS HOW TO START A WAR. THIS IS HOW TO CREATE AN ENEMY.

    Sixth step: Eliminate opposition to the ruling party. Create an "Us versus Them" mentality. Leave no room for opinions in between. One that does not support all actions of the ruling party should be considered a traitor.

    Seventh step: Use nationalistic and/or religious symbols and rhetoric to define all actions. This can be achieved by slogans such as "freedom loving people versus those who hate reedom." This can also be achieved by the use of flags.

    Eighth step: Align all actions with the dominant deity. It is very effective to use terms like, "It is god's will" or "god bless our nation."

    Ninth step: Design propaganda to show that your soldiers have feelings, hopes, families, and loved ones. Make it cleat that your soldiers are doing a duty; they do not want or like to kill.

    Tenth step: Create and atmosphere of fear, and instability and then offer the ruling party as the only solutions to comfort the public's fears. Remembering the fear of the unknown is always the strongest fear.

    CHORUS (repeat); We are not countries. We are not nations. We are not religions. We are not gods. We are not weapons. We are not ammunition. We are not killers. We will NOT be tools.

    I'm not a fighter
    I will not die
    I will not kill
    I will not be your slave
    I will not fight your battles
    I will not die on your battlefield
    I will not fight for your world
    I am not a fighter
    I'm in UNITYYY!!!

    Or perhaps Country Joe and the Fish? [wikipedia.org]

    Come on all of you big strong men, Uncle Sam needs your help again
    He's got himself in a terrible jam way down yonder in Viet Nam
    put down your books and pick up a gun, we're gonna have a whole lotta fun!

    (CHORUS)
    And it's one, two, three, what are we fighting for? Don't ask me I don't give a damn, next stop is Viet Nam. And it's five, six, seven, open up the pearly gates. Ain't no time to wonder why, whoopee we're all gonna die!

    Come on generals, let's move fast, your big chance has come at last
    now you can go out and get those reds cos the only good commie is the one that's dead
    You know that peace can only be won when we've blown 'em all to kingdom come

    Come on wall street don't be slow why man this war is a go-go
    there's plenty good money to be made by supplying the army with the tools of its trade
    let's hope and pray that if they drop the bomb, they drop it on the Viet Cong

    Come on mothers throughout the land pack your boys off to Viet Nam
    come on fathers don't hesitate send your sons off before it's

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