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Microholography Could Lead to 500 GB Discs 158

angrykeyboarder writes "Scientists have discovered a way to fit 500 GB of data onto DVD-sized discs. These discs would be created with a process called 'microholography, which combines multilayer storage of data with holographic imagery. From the article: 'Microholography allows data to be stored in three dimensions. The technology works by replacing the two-dimensional pit-land structures currently found on CDs and DVDs with microgratings, which are holographically induced using two laser beams. In other words, instead of recording to a series of bumps and pits like standard CDs, the new technology creates three-dimensional holographic grids that can be used for reading and writing data throughout the physical structure of the disc.'"
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Microholography Could Lead to 500 GB Discs

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  • Not again. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 08, 2007 @05:11AM (#19787507)
    Please no. Can someone tell them to stop working on CDs already? Seriously, HD-DVD is no more than a smaller vinyl. We've got the same technology for over 100 years and they're still trying to "improve" it?
    Can someone already remove all the moving (spinning) parts of my laptop? I really do not see the point of including 3 different motors in a XXI century technology.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 08, 2007 @05:16AM (#19787537)
    Then your data is fucked. Nuff said.

    You should always backup your "backup".
  • I miss minidisc (Score:5, Insightful)

    by misanthrope101 ( 253915 ) on Sunday July 08, 2007 @05:17AM (#19787539)
    I wish this type of tech would develop into something in the form factor of the minidisc. I still have my music mindiscs, some of them about 10 years old. There's something about that size, the protective case, and even the colors that makes the form factor interesting. I'd love to be able to have a ~300GB Truecrypt container on a rewritable minidisc-type thing.

    I've always found DVDs/CDs too large. Yes, they make mini-cdrs and mini-dvds (I used to have a Sony CD Mavica) but they don't have the protective case the minidiscs had. Some things are just ergonomically right, and I regret that we didn't go a little further in that direction.

  • by mastermemorex ( 1119537 ) on Sunday July 08, 2007 @05:42AM (#19787641)
    In Spain we have to pay an average of 40 c. for every 100 megas in DVDs to the SGAE what it is the equivalent of the RIAA in The USA.

    1. Microholograph?

    2. 500 Gb DVDs!?

    2. ...

    3. Profit!
  • by heretic108 ( 454817 ) on Sunday July 08, 2007 @05:46AM (#19787657)
    ...for these disks. Will need 10GB for the movie itself, and 490GB for the DRM software.
  • Data. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Devv ( 992734 ) on Sunday July 08, 2007 @05:46AM (#19787659)
    More storage makes it easier to tak backups but with more storage I will also store more data and then the backups will get larger and.. :(
  • Good point (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Uruz 7 ( 986742 ) on Sunday July 08, 2007 @05:54AM (#19787681) Journal
    He has a good point. The tech seems cool and all especially for long term storage but solid state is the real future. Battery life is still pretty poor for most devices and many people are moving away from the desktop. I personally don't own a desktop anymore and just hook my laptop up to a keyboard, monitor, and mouse when at home or work. I foresee the desktop dying except for hardcore gamers and servers. If I'm correct then spinning media doesn't make sense. Motors drain battery life and increase latency while throwing in a mechanical cog that can fail.
  • Re:Not again. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by UCSCTek ( 806902 ) on Sunday July 08, 2007 @05:57AM (#19787689)
    The fact that moving parts reduce cost by exploiting symmetry is hard to beat. Either you have one/several reader/writer that can move around to access the bits => cheaper, or you hardwire billions into the storage media => more stable.
  • I said it... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by TransEurope ( 889206 ) <eniac&uni-koblenz,de> on Sunday July 08, 2007 @05:59AM (#19787697)
    ... a thousand times. The traditional 2D-technology is uncompetitive since the end of the 1990s.
    The cutting edge of optical disks are HD-DVDs als BR-Discs with up to 50 Gigs, but even todays
    harddisks can store an entire terabyte of data. At the beginning one or two CD-Rs where able to
    store the content of a common harddisk, today you would need dozens of expensive BR-Discs to
    backup all that stuff. A holographic storage system with 500 Gigs or more should be the past,
    not the future. The industry failed at this point. They try to sell us an old, but badly advanced
    technology from yesterday.

    I hope this is chance for Newcomers. New smaller companies with good and really innovative
    products. But my fear is that the power in public relations of the present giants of the market
    will prevent it. Wouldn't be the first time that bad technology wins the race.
  • No it won't (Score:4, Insightful)

    by MarkoNo5 ( 139955 ) <MarkovanDooren@gm[ ].com ['ail' in gap]> on Sunday July 08, 2007 @06:12AM (#19787741)
    Come on, we get these announcements every few weeks, but nobody ever delivers a product. This isn't even news for nerds, it is just vaporware. Wake me up when they create a product that I can actually buy.
  • by Charcharodon ( 611187 ) on Sunday July 08, 2007 @06:18AM (#19787767)
    Holographic this and that for what the last 15 years, and no product to date that is worth anything? Duke Nukem Forever will hit the shelves before this "just around the corner" tech ever will.

    Optical media is garbage and always has been and is an overly fragile way to store data. It's only redeeming feature is once the discs get bellow $1 they effectively become disposeable.

    In another year or so, flash chips will reach a price point that'll make them a cost effective alternative for buying movies on DVD's, they've already reached that point for music CD's.

    Once the industry notices that, and gets over their DRM OCD, I say good riddance to optical media.

  • Re:Good point (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Tim Browse ( 9263 ) on Sunday July 08, 2007 @06:33AM (#19787831)

    If I'm correct then spinning media doesn't make sense. Motors drain battery life and increase latency while throwing in a mechanical cog that can fail.

    On the other hand, you get 500Gb on one disc. So it makes a bit of sense.

  • New disks... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by g0dsp33d ( 849253 ) on Sunday July 08, 2007 @06:53AM (#19787891)
    I hope they have two new competing formats!

    Seriously though, they have been talking about huge storage disks since we discovered round plastic circles. Yeah, they've been getting higher data densities, but if you look at the progression of other storage formats (especially hard drives) optical is just not keeping up. By the time we get 500Gb disks, they'll sound to us much like yesteryear's 40Gb disks sound to us now compared to our 500+Gb hard drives.
  • Easy backups (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mangu ( 126918 ) on Sunday July 08, 2007 @07:50AM (#19788219)
    If you scratch one of these you lose 500GB of data, just as with any other 500GB disk. But the fact that you can record 500GB in a CD-like disk means that you can make several copies and store them in separate places.


    Not very easy to scratch all the disks at the same time if one is in your office, another in your car and the other at your cousin's place.

  • by mrbluze ( 1034940 ) on Sunday July 08, 2007 @08:23AM (#19788395) Journal

    I blows me away how Sony missed out on the opportunity to use the MD format for data storage. It could have been the perfect 3 1/2 floppy drive replacement. How aggravating that they wasted the chance!

    500GB is a LOT of data. Great for backups, perhaps for storing raw video footage and so on, but hard to justify for distributing data or for sneakernet uses.

    A minidisc equivalent would be what, 100GB or so? That is a very viable proposition. Credit card sized discs would be quite popular too. Solid state equivalence is a long way off.

  • Re:Good point (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Jeff DeMaagd ( 2015 ) on Sunday July 08, 2007 @10:03AM (#19789035) Homepage Journal
    I don't see solid state meeting or beating mechanical drives in price/performance for quite some time. For many circumstances, flash speed and capacity is good enough, but it's still way too expensive for most people. The latest flash drives didn't really beat the speed or capacity of 2.5" drives, though they beat the 1.8" drives. Still, $500 for a 32GB SSD isn't something I'm interested in.
  • Re:I said it... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by asm2750 ( 1124425 ) on Sunday July 08, 2007 @01:30PM (#19790713)
    Optical media is a more resilient than a hard drive, which is why its used in the consumer market, and sometimes in large data centers that need a backup thats harder to mess up unless you scratch it of course. Only issue about hard drives is you cant shake them or drop them with out the chance of breaking them completely. However I do agree with you that optical media is old, and a solid state replacement should be made, something other than flash too.
  • by ronhip ( 465417 ) on Sunday July 08, 2007 @01:51PM (#19790867)
    The only problem I see is that at a rate of 200Mb/sec as stated in the article, it would take over 11 hours to fill a 1TB disk!
  • by RobertM1968 ( 951074 ) on Sunday July 08, 2007 @01:52PM (#19790879) Homepage Journal

    you would thing that with the technology of Glasses with scratch resistant coatings they would add that to this CD/DVD type

    Not that the scratch resistant coating on my glasses help that much... most minor scratches on media doesnt affect it's readability (unless it is on the top/label surface). Major scratches on the bottom that affect media readability wont be prevented with the anti-scratch technology used on glasses.

    The better idea would be a better coating on the label side, or like on some old CDs, a second layer over the media substrate layer. I still have some old CDs that had a second plastic layer - thus embedding the actual media layer between two plastic layers and protecting the media from the types of scratches that are the primary cause of data loss. You cant seem to buy disks like that anymore... oh well...

  • I don't know how many times a disc has become unreadable because the TOC was damaged. You can have all the parity data in the world, if the TOC is gone you're screwed. :(

    If only there were a DVD format writable/readable with consumer-grade drives that had multiple redundant TOCs.

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