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Tech Writers Spreading FUD About GPLv3 411

Tookis writes "Tech writers are spreading FUD about GPLv3 because they fear its take up will slow the adoption of Linux, according to this open source writer. "A large number of tech writers — I wouldn't call them journalists and sully my own profession — are fearful that the license will slow adoption of Linux in the workplace. And that would lead to a lessening of their own importance and influence."" So by posting this, am I spreading fud about spreading fud? I think I broke my brain.
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Tech Writers Spreading FUD About GPLv3

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  • by H4x0r Jim Duggan ( 757476 ) on Monday July 16, 2007 @09:42AM (#19875563) Homepage Journal

    InformationWeek published an old mail claiming that it was "latest" post-GPLv3 news [fsfe.org].

  • Get off my lawn (Score:5, Informative)

    by hcdejong ( 561314 ) <hobbes @ x m s n et.nl> on Monday July 16, 2007 @09:48AM (#19875619)
    A large number of tech writers -- I wouldn't call them journalists and sully my own profession

    But sullying mine isn't a problem, huh? Technical writer == someone who writes technical documentation, e.g. product manuals. Technical writer != FUD-spreading blogger.

    --
    hcdejong
    (technical writer)
  • by Rmorph ( 692035 ) on Monday July 16, 2007 @09:50AM (#19875631)
    http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/ 2007/07/open_source_is_1.html [informationweek.com]

    In support of TFA: the above Iweek story really takes the cake for "most clueless" author on the subject of the GPL. One can take it as evidence that the GPL3 has become such a buzzword in the community that tech writers feel forced to comment even before they have even the slightest clue what the fuss is all about.

    PJ over at groklaw politely stomped the author into the ground as one can see here:
    http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200707131 92403106 [groklaw.net]
    Whle always a fan, I admire her tact here: she did it a lot less painfully than some in comments section of the original article ;-)
  • by Animaether ( 411575 ) on Monday July 16, 2007 @09:58AM (#19875735) Journal
    Another '2-page' article (you're welcome for the ad revenue, mate)

    So here's the print version
    http://www.itwire.com.au/index2.php?option=com_con tent&task=view&id=13525&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=1090 [itwire.com.au]

    I'm not sure what "you'll won't" is supposed to mean.. in "You'll won't have much success in convincing them - play has to go in one direction for them to move forward". Must be Aussie. Then again, the article is incoherent overall.
    I'm not entirely sure what the article is about;

    is it about the misunderstandings of the GPLv3?
    If so - then why doesn't it list and address these misunderstandings? He links to a talk by Moglen in the end and recommends listening to it - but doesn't say why beyond saying that Moglen is a demi-god and by jove you should listen to him.

    is it about the purported FUD being spread by other 'tech authors'?
    If so - then why doesn't it give examples of this FUD?

    is it about the reasonings behind this purported FUD-spreading - namely that the tech authors feel that they would become less relevant if GPLv3 were to become a 'success' in that it would slow adoption of the GPLv3 (huh?) ?
    if so - then maybe he could explain -why- he thinks those 'tech authors' are using these reasonings, and how they are flawed in them?

    The whole article reads like a bad blog posting.

    But goob job on Slashdot for making it front-page material.. must be that 'GPLv3' keyword.
  • Grow up! (Score:5, Informative)

    by syousef ( 465911 ) on Monday July 16, 2007 @10:12AM (#19875847) Journal
    FUD isn't slang for something you don't agree with. The article in question might be awful but the story on /. is even worse. It sounds like it was written by a 12 year old involved in a schoolyard scuffle. Any coherent counter argument would have been better than sounding like a goddamned whiny child. If you fight legitimately bad arguments so stupidly it makes your point of view, no matter how valid, sound childish. The person who submitted this story has done GPLv3 no favours.

    For goodness sake people. Troll does not mean "I don't agree with him". "Flamebait" is only flamebait if it's written for no other reason than to upset people. FUD is only FUD if it was intended to spread unfounded Fear Uncertainty and Doubt.
  • Technical Writing (Score:4, Informative)

    by athloi ( 1075845 ) on Monday July 16, 2007 @10:23AM (#19875993) Homepage Journal
    Technical writers, sometimes called "tech writers," write manuals and help systems and procedures to help make sense of technology. We are unrelated to "technology writers," who depending on which one you encounter, may be people who failed to fill out admission papers correctly at the asylum or intelligent commentators.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 16, 2007 @10:40AM (#19876163)
    Groklaw had a thing to say... and the author of the article then retracted some of his errors (but not all in the Corrections part of the thread).

    http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200707131 92403106 [groklaw.net]

    There was a comment following this that was interesting regarding the author still not liking GPLv3 - that concludes that all that GPLv3 does is make software pure as math (the same as the UK Court of Appeal, th UK high court, has done by outlawing software patents)!

    see: http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&si d=20070713192403106&title=Dear+David+-+RE%3A+your+ comment+%26quot%3Bperipheral+to+my+opinion+that+th e+GPLv3+may+do+long-term+harm%26quot%3B...&type=ar ticle&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=594620#c594677 [groklaw.net]

    Why does Slashdot run FUD that is incorrect? It really should not see the light of day in the first place?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 16, 2007 @10:44AM (#19876181)
    That is the short of it.

    Tivo got cute with the wording because although you can argue effectively that if THEY can install or remove programs from your Tivo, why can't you, you'd actually have to argue.

    MS got cute with the wording by saying "we aren't licensing, we're just saying we won't sue if you pay us" (the NotADuck conundrum).

    These both are there in the GPL2 (all information to create the binary: but you haven't the signature changes the binary, and look it looks like a license, you pay like a license and you have to agree to things like a license. It's a license) the GPL just spelled it out clearly.

    The GPL3 also got rid of many parochialisms from the GPL2, where terms and references were US-centric. These give options to weasel out of the obligations for foreign countries.
  • Re:Strange.. (Score:5, Informative)

    by Knuckles ( 8964 ) <knuckles@dan[ ]n.org ['tia' in gap]> on Monday July 16, 2007 @10:52AM (#19876267)
    When you have one of the most influential people in Open Source refuse to accept the license

    In case you mean this recent /. story [slashdot.org]: it was utterly wrong and a FUD attempt by InformationWeek [fsdaily.com]. They basically repeated a months-old quote by Linus about an earlier draft as if it was new and still relevant.

    Linus is in fact pretty ok [com.com] with how GPLv3 turned out [digg.com].
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 16, 2007 @11:00AM (#19876373)
    "A large number of tech writers - I wouldn't call them journalists and sully my own profession"
    Where is the concern about sullying the reputation of real technical writers, of which I am one? You know, the kind that produce documentation that actually helps people understand concepts and accomplish tasks. Perhaps the author is unaware of the difference? I prefer not to be lumped in with every opinionated attention-seeking semi-literate gadget-obsessed blogger-for-hire out there. Let me see... Journalists...reputation...media... Any way I can work in a FOX News or Conrad Black joke here?
  • by H4x0r Jim Duggan ( 757476 ) on Monday July 16, 2007 @11:29AM (#19876701) Homepage Journal

    And now InformationWeek have replied with a badly executed straw man:

  • Re:It's Us or Them (Score:4, Informative)

    by aerthling ( 796790 ) on Monday July 16, 2007 @11:31AM (#19876715)
    OK, I'll have one more go. :)

    The GNU core utilities form a significant portion of the operating system. There are no real alternatives, and they're not optional, or required in only some systems as nVidia's drivers are (excepting embedded systems, perhaps) - every single Linux system needs them. Without them, a computer running Linux is useless, not just for your work-specific requirements, but for everything. Without them, the operating system wouldn't operate.
  • So, for example, if MIT has a patent I want to use, maybe all I have to do is get committer rights to some relevant project, code up something which infringes the patent, get the patch accepted (never mentioning the patent, of course), and it gets distributed to all the mirrors, including MIT's.

    IIRC, that only works if the patented part is added by the patent holder.

  • Re:Strange.. (Score:3, Informative)

    by PylonHead ( 61401 ) on Monday July 16, 2007 @12:28PM (#19877455) Homepage Journal
    Linus's email was dated June 20th, 2007. That was less than a month ago. I suspect the text of the GPLv3 license he was commenting on didn't change between that date and the date it was released: June 29th, 2007.

    http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/20/223 [lkml.org]
    http://www.fsf.org/news/gplv3_launched [fsf.org]

    The "pretty ok" article you link, however, is dated several months ago: March 28, 2007.
  • by PCM2 ( 4486 ) on Monday July 16, 2007 @03:47PM (#19880065) Homepage

    Where is the concern about sullying the reputation of real technical writers, of which I am one?

    By "tech writers" he means technology writers, not technical writers.

    I in fact use this term to describe myself. I don't call myself a journalist because I have friends who are journalists. These people spent tens of thousands of dollars to go to journalism school, then graduated and got themselves jobs making tens of thousands of dollars a year writing up real news about real things happening in their communities -- things that are important to real people -- and without so much as a "thank you." They do a job that's far more important than blabbering about the freakin iPhone. I don't envy them, but I respect them -- enough to allow them the privilege of keeping the term "journalist" for themselves.

    That said, I read TFA and I would not call the author a journalist either, not by a long shot.

    Here's one for starters: Any article that includes blanket generalizations such as "many tech writers are putting down the GPLv3" -- and then fails to give so much as a single example -- is just page filler. This guy is the purest example of a crap-hound tech writer with nothing to say. I have no idea how this made the homepage.

  • Re:FUD (Score:3, Informative)

    by Rakarra ( 112805 ) on Monday July 16, 2007 @04:55PM (#19880835)
    No, I understand his point. It sounds like it's a company he either works for or has close ties too. I've sometimes been tempted to post on stories related to the company I work at with information that is not public knowledge, but then I remind myself that impressing some geeks on Slashdot with insider knowledge they might want is never worth it.

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