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NBC to Offer Free Video Download Service 229

Damocles the Elder writes "Apparently NBC realized that people on the internet do watch TV, because after breaking up with Apple over iTunes pricing schemes, they're setting up their own free service." From the article "NBC first contracted with Amazon to offer its programs for sale to downloading devices like MP3 players. Now it is establishing its own downloading service, which NBC executives say they expect to become a viable competitor to iTunes. "With the creation of this new service, we are acknowledging that now, more than ever, viewers want to be in control of how, when and where they consume their favorite entertainment," said Vivi Zigler, the executive vice president of NBC Digital Entertainment. "Not only does this feature give them more control, but it also gives them a higher quality video experience."
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NBC to Offer Free Video Download Service

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  • Wait for comcast! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gravos ( 912628 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @08:02AM (#20679069) Homepage
    Cue Comcast and other ISPs complaining that NBC is taking advantage of the bandwidth they provide and should be forced to pay in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...
  • Yeah, whatever... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by technothrasher ( 689062 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @08:06AM (#20679091)
    "With the creation of this new service, we are acknowledging that now, more than ever, viewers want to be in control of how, when and where they consume their favorite entertainment,"

    ...

    Commercials will be embedded in the programs and viewers will not be able to skip through them.


  • by Hamster Lover ( 558288 ) * on Thursday September 20, 2007 @08:09AM (#20679107) Journal
    From TFA:

    Commercials will be embedded in the programs and viewers will not be able to skip through them...

    Further into the article:

    But NBC intends to transform the service into a model similar to iTunes by the middle of 2008 -- that is, consumers will pay NBC directly to download episodes of the shows. "We did this to eliminate the middleman," said Jeff Gaspin, the president of NBC's digital division.

    That's fine and dandy, but will the paid version of the episode come complete with ads or is this just an interim solution until the paid model is in place, because I sure as hell wouldn't want to pay for episodes if they contained unskippable ads.
  • pirates win (Score:4, Insightful)

    by timmarhy ( 659436 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @08:10AM (#20679109)
    I've always advocated that pirates pirate things they wouldn't pay for anyway, hence why they were always going to win.

    make all media pirate proof 100%, make no money. the slightest crack in the system and you make no money.

    simply release your media in a format everyone can enjoy for free in a quality higher then the pirates are putting out, slip in some well targeted adverts, hey presto you just won over a market you had no chance of ever having previously and your making money from it.

  • by Dekortage ( 697532 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @08:10AM (#20679111) Homepage

    From the article:

    ...the files, which would be downloaded overnight to home computers, would contain commercials that viewers would not be able to skip through. And the file would not be transferable to a disk or to another computer.

    The files would degrade after the seven-day period and be unwatchable. "Kind of like 'Mission: Impossible,' only I don't think there would be any explosion and smoke," Mr. Gaspin said.

    The programs will initially be downloadable only to PCs with the Windows operating system, but NBC said it planned to make the service available to Mac computers and iPods later.

    You can't skip through the commercials? Can't transfer them to a disk or other computer? Any bets on how long this will last?

    But maybe this will help...

    In a second phase of the NBC rollout, customers would pay a fee for downloads of episodes that they would then own, and the files would be transferable to other devices. NBC hopes to offer this service by mid-2008, depending on how quickly the company can put in place the secure software necessary to allow payment by credit card. [emphasis added]

    Right, because online payment systems are magical. Only the top wizards understand the spells that make them work. That's why nobody except Apple has secure software to allow payment by credit cards: Steve Jobs is the toppest of the top wizards.

  • by Bazar ( 778572 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @08:13AM (#20679119)
    I've tried downloading/watching heroes from NBC before.
    Because i was accessing it from a non-american IP address, they locked me out, citing no advertisers for my region (New Zealand)

    Talking of which, they previous/already offered the ability to watch previous episodes of heroes before, what exactly has changed?
    Isn't this just a rehash of what they already have, just with plans to turn it into an iTunes competitor later next year?
  • by tkrotchko ( 124118 ) * on Thursday September 20, 2007 @08:14AM (#20679123) Homepage
    Ultimately this is a good thing; it forces NBC to be better than Apple or they fail. It then forces Apple to be better than NBC. Which forces everybody else to be better. Because everybody is competing with free. You've got to be good to compete with free.

    Now the trouble is, companies hate competing, so ideally, Congress will ignore the whining of these big companies as they ask for laws to shield them from competition. It should also look aggressively at these companies if they try to work together to avoid competing with each other.

    This should be interesting to watch.
  • by speaker of the truth ( 1112181 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @08:24AM (#20679183)
    Commercials will be embedded, just like on television. Either tape it off your television or wait for the commercial to finish. Or wait for it to be released on DVD and buy it. Yeeesh, some of you people just don't want your content producers to make money, do you?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 20, 2007 @08:26AM (#20679193)
    I am an Apple fan boy. With that out of the way, it is simply obvious to me and millions of others that iTunes is a well-refined product. With years of polish it has become one of the best media management packages around. So what are NBC going to end up releasing? My bet is some clunky, flash-in-the-pan web site with Windows-only formats and all the broken crap that comes with then. I am not denying problems with the Apple offering (DRM among them), but this move has the unfortunate effect of fragmenting a service that, for the consumer, is best unified.
  • by tkrotchko ( 124118 ) * on Thursday September 20, 2007 @08:27AM (#20679195) Homepage
    I think what he's trying to imply is that iTunes (not iTMS) allows people to rip their own CD's unencumbered by DRM. In fact, it doesn't even have an option to force DRM on songs. I was curious about this too, until I realized that MS Windows Media Player has an option to "Copy Protect Music" and presumably has the ability to force people to "copy protect music" if Micrsoft deems it important. Imagine if iTunes never became the dominant music software; I'm guessing this option would already be turned on.

    This is probably some sort of PR spin over the fact that NBC is most likely going to use Windows Media Player to base their options, and this is a feature that a marketing person would tout as important. And at first glance, I think Joe Average will see this as important too, since it will cut down on those dirty hackers and pirates from stealing music.

  • by rtyall ( 960518 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @08:39AM (#20679287) Homepage

    Because i was accessing it from a non-american IP address, they locked me out, citing no advertisers for my region (New Zealand)
    Just run your browser through an American proxy, or use Tor and keep trying till it works.
  • by the_fat_kid ( 1094399 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @08:41AM (#20679317)
    instead of "buying shows on iTunes and getting ripped off" you will be buying commercials from NBC and getting screwed.
    instead of buying an episode from iTunes and watching it (maybe even with out commercials) as much as you like, you will get 7 days to watch the commercial content. You can't even fast forward these things.
    truely a TV executives wet dream.

    this is just like the stupid lillypond thing. WMA, DRM, crap.
    but I'm sure that this will stop piracy. yar.
  • by ajs ( 35943 ) <ajs@@@ajs...com> on Thursday September 20, 2007 @08:42AM (#20679319) Homepage Journal

    From TFA:

    Commercials will be embedded in the programs and viewers will not be able to skip through them...
    So, this implies either a) a proprietary player or b) a requirement for Windows Media Player and thus Windows.

    Thus, no one running a real OS will be able to watch this crap. Problem solved.
  • by Ajehals ( 947354 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @08:48AM (#20679355) Journal
    I was going to say "how long till they put adverts (other than trailers) on to DVD's (there is nothing stopping them after all..) then I realised that children's DVD's are already littered with them (I put a postman pat DVD on for my son a while back, the feature is maybe 60 / 90 Minutes (3x 20 or 30 minute episodes) and there is at least 25 minutes of advertising material at the beginning, some of it totally inappropriate for really young kids (in terms of cartoon violence but still, its a Postman Pat DVD I wouldn't expect *any* violence* cartoon or otherwise) not to mention its is really annoying to have 2x 3 minute adverts for the same thing 5 minutes apart on a single DVD. Thankfully I can skip all of that, but I would hat to be someone who has a regular DVD player that honours whatever non-skip protection is on those Disks.

    *Except in "Pat and the Armed Post Office Robbery" where Pat foils a terrorist plot to rob the Post Office and use the proceeds to blow up the viaduct, or in "Pat goes Postal" which should be self explanatory... :)
  • by bockelboy ( 824282 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @09:09AM (#20679519)

    Now it is establishing its own downloading service, which NBC executives say they expect to become a viable competitor to iTunes

    Suuure. A viable competitor - but without a quarter of the video content, no music, probably crap software, lousy integrated experience, and no iPod support. It's as if they just opened a new brick and mortar NBC store which sells laser disks.

    Let me know how that goes for you.
  • by HangingChad ( 677530 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @09:12AM (#20679555) Homepage

    Although I suspect this is more of an attempt by NBC to get people to pay to watch commercials, it's ultimately going to be bad for their business and the on-demand market in general. It's almost never a win to fragment a potential market, particularly for the consumer but who really cares about them anymore? With entertainment consolidated to a few major players, the consumer is an abstract concept with no form or value as an individual.

    Ultimately this will prove to be a fruitless endeavor. You can't drive an internet market by conscription. The history of the internet is littered with the corpses of companies that thought the same thing. Imagine needing a set-top box to tune in an individual TV station. NBC and CBS use the same type box, but you need a different one for ABC and Fox. WB has their own. It seems silly in any other market context, but that's what Apple and NBC are trying to do.

    Personally, I don't think the big media players are ever going to catch on. The farther down the road we go, the big media companies actually seem to be devolving. Fortunately that will open up markets for smarter players. Production companies with a leaner cost structure and the freedom of thought to consider product placement, co-branding and a host of other revenue streams rather than a strict commercial model.

    I gave a keynote at a NAB convention a couple years ago about the likely impact of the internet on media distribution and the opportunities for new revenue channels. Got a lot of head nodding but when I talked to them afterwards it was pretty clear it wasn't sinking in. They were still trying to fit the internet into the revenue models they already knew.

  • by Aladrin ( 926209 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @09:24AM (#20679651)
    The article also says it'll require Windows and the files will expire in 7 days. It's almost certainly Windows' DRM.

    Oh well, guess I'll keep paying my blood money to the cable company and downloading the improved versions from the usual places. (Improved meaning I can get it whenever I want, with no DRM, no commercials, and in a format that I like.)
  • by DerWulf ( 782458 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @09:58AM (#20680043)
    Actually he was refering to the fact that this model is not scheduled. By far the larger restriction of television is the fact that you can only watch it when it's on (or after, assuming you've prgrammed your vcr). So I'd say this model still grants a large amount of freedom (in comparision.).
  • by uptownguy ( 215934 ) <UptownGuyEmail@gmail.com> on Thursday September 20, 2007 @10:05AM (#20680131)
    As proved by MS. Actually, Windows has improved leaps and bounds since Linux took off, so I guess your point stands.

    As proved by MS. Actually, Windows has improved leaps and bounds since Linux^h^h^h^h^hMac OS took off^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^hstarted eating into their market share

    There you go. Fixed that for you.

    Seriously... Apple is poised to become a fierce competitor once again. Look at the shares of MacBook sales. Linux? I know this is Slashdot and I know we're all pulling for Linux but honstly, "The Year of Linux" is a looooooooooooooong way off.
  • Commercials (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Rocketship Underpant ( 804162 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @10:33AM (#20680593)
    What NBC and its advertisers fail to grasp is that if they made good commercials, and not boring preachy drivel, people would actually *want* to watch them -- and then they wouldn't need to charge money or add DRM. After all, look at how many people watch cool commercials for free when they get posted to YouTube and similar sites.

  • by walt-sjc ( 145127 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @10:49AM (#20680825)
    Yes, because anyone running Linux is going to be THRILLED with the single mouse button on a macbook. Works so awesome in X. Much better than other laptops that have 2 or 3...

    Please. The number of macbooks that are NOT running OS X is not going to be statistically significant.
  • by rastoboy29 ( 807168 ) * on Thursday September 20, 2007 @08:48PM (#20690719) Homepage
    They really are stupid motherfuckers and this will succeed in exactly the same way as MTV's Urge.

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