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MLB Fans Who Bought DRM Videos Get Hosed 299

Billosaur writes "Major League Baseball has just strengthened the case against DRM. If you downloaded videos of baseball games from MLB.com before 2006, apparently they no longer work and you are out of luck. MLB.com, sometime during 2006, changed their DRM system. Result: game videos purchased before that time will now no longer work, as the previous DRM system is no longer supported. When the video is played, apparently the MLB.com servers are contacted and a license obtained to verify the authenticity of the video; this is done by a web link. That link no longer exists, and so now the videos will no longer play, even though the MLB FAQ says that a license is only obtained once and will not need to be re-obtained. The blogger who is reporting this contacted MLB technical support, only to be told there are no refunds due to this problem."
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MLB Fans Who Bought DRM Videos Get Hosed

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  • by pinguwin ( 807635 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @05:27PM (#21272807)
    Not the point how many people are affected. The point is that they can take it away from you when they feel like and say, "Suck it". What are you going to do? File a class action lawsuit where the lawyers actually make some cash and you get coupons for 20% expired peanuts at your local teams next away game.
  • Re:hmmm. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mentaldelusions ( 1165295 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @05:31PM (#21272851)
    I love how lawyers make money off the screw ups in our society... i guess you could judge how damaged a culture was by saying it was proportional to the average salary of a lawyer
  • by Alzheimers ( 467217 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @05:50PM (#21273143)
    Apparently, according to this study, [philanthropy.com] not as much as if it were just ONE child:

    In another study, Paul Slovic, a psychology professor at the University of Oregon, found that people were more sympathetic to a single starving child than they were to two children facing the same plight.

    "We cannot wrap our minds around two people as well as around one," said Mr. Slovic.
  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:00PM (#21273287)
    This happened before. And it will happen as long as people buy cripplified content. ANY content that requires you to contact its maker before it plays has the chance to follow this road. No contact, no content.

    This will happen again, I'm sure. Whenever some media company goes out of biz, whenever some media company decides that they can make more money by disabling everything they already sold, this will strike again. And more people will get pissed.

    Unfortunately at the company that did it, not DRM itself. But given time, people will learn. People are used to "buying" content. They're used to buying a DVD and being able to play it 'til the earth stops turning. Changing this model will not go without resistance. It will take a while for the masses to notice that seemingly minor difference, but they will.

    Unfortunately that takes time. Whether it takes too long we'll see. It will sooner or later fall back on them, though. People will stop buying content, fearing that it will some day stop to "work".

    So what I started to do was to do some spinning myself. Whenever some friend of mine tries to buy something DRMified, I remind him of the time when whatever DRM crippled content backfired on him. Yes, it's another company, but it also got DRM, it just MIGHT do the same, ya know... Yes, it's a lie. Still, for some odd reason my conscience gives me an A-OK for it.
  • by Sloppy ( 14984 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:03PM (#21273319) Homepage Journal

    Don't give copyright protection to publications that use copy protection. DRM -> PD. Let publishers (and their markets) decide which mutually-exclusive way to go.

  • by mightybaldking ( 907279 ) <mightybaldking@gmail.com> on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:17PM (#21273509) Journal
    I realize you're being sarcastic. But, I'd be happy to pay, say $5, to upgrade all my VHS and DVDs to HD-DVD. I've already paid a licence for the material when I bought the original. I don't see why I should re-licence just to change formats. $5 should cover production, distribution and VHS disposal, and even leave a small profit. And no, I'm not paying for DVD "Extras" I want my Godfather, not a Making Of documentary. I've bought "Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms" 4 times now. 1: LP - 1985 2: Cassette - 1987 - Road trip! 3: CD - ~1991 4: CD 2 ~2002 when the first was scratched beyond recognition. CD 2 was then stepped on. I found a FLAC on a torrent site and burned my own. Not paying again.
  • Re:A Slow Death (Score:2, Interesting)

    by OldSoldier ( 168889 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:23PM (#21273595)
    My Comcast DVR is already like this.

    I live in an area where power outages for a few days happen at least once a winter. When the power goes out, often times the cable does too. We have a generator, and use the Comcast DVR quite heavily. Imagine my surprise when during one recent power outage we thought we'd watch some DVRed programs only to find out that THE DVR DIDN'T WORK. I couldn't bring up the menu system w/o an active connection to Comcast central.

    Go figure.

  • by VGPowerlord ( 621254 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:49PM (#21273951)
    Didn't one of the fair use exemptions passed down by the Registrar of Copyrights involve DRM that was no longer supported?

    Or am I totally misremembering?
  • Re:hmmm. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by HTH NE1 ( 675604 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:54PM (#21274023)
    An equitable solution would be to either provide the purchasers with DRM-free or reauthorizationless versions of the same clips in equivalent or better quality or tools to permanently unlock the clips they've already downloaded. Give the consumers that and the lawyers can have the entire additional cash award.

    An injunction against MLB against doing anything like this again would also be nice, with a nice big automatic penalty in the billions of dollars, with no cuts going to lawyers fees (that's strictly MLB out-of-pocket). But that probably won't happen.
  • How exactly (Score:4, Interesting)

    by CaptainZapp ( 182233 ) * on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @07:32PM (#21274499) Homepage
    Does that jibe with the legal requirement of any business entity to safe keep their legal documentation for a minimum period of seven years?

    Claiming that an EULA is not a legal document sounds somewhat hypocritical.

  • by Technician ( 215283 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @07:49PM (#21274747)
    After the judge sides with the plaintiff, he'll take a printout of the sentence "any rebroadcast, reproduction, or other use of the pictures and accounts of this game without the express written consent of Major League Baseball is prohibited" and shove it up Bud Selig's ass.

    It will happen when the plaintiff is shown the credit card bill where the defendant explicitly sold the right for reproduction (Playback at a later time) to the plaintiff. The right was revoked without due cause or compensation. The judge can rightly view this as theft of privilages purchased by the plaintiff.

    Make no mistake, it will happen and not just in your dreams.
  • Agreed, mostly... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by msimm ( 580077 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @07:50PM (#21274749) Homepage
    But your comparison is a little off. Is someone sold me a book with a fishy modem and a giant electronic lock strapped to it.
  • Re:Translation? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by SL Baur ( 19540 ) <steve@xemacs.org> on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @08:15PM (#21275109) Homepage Journal

    Why the hell do these stupid sports-minded assholes think the major league organizations are any better than the **AA. They're getting what they deserve for their misplaced trust, just as the music/movie idiots are.
    Not very tactfully put, but brutally correct. They (I'm looking especially at MLB) have been abusing their fans for years. Who do they think pays the bills?

    There's only one way to bring these motherfucking bastards to their knees -- just say NO.
    Yeah. The year they went on strike and cancelled the World Series I went on strike too. Their loss. I've been to hundreds of Los Angeles Dodger home games, but not any more. I still love baseball, but I follow Japanese professional baseball now.
  • Re:Translation? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Smauler ( 915644 ) on Thursday November 08, 2007 @12:18AM (#21277421)

    That's one thing that confuses me completely. They don't have _any_ of my money. However, I watched the world series live this year completely legally, without adverts. How did I do this? I live in the UK, and channel 5 aired them all in full. When the US broadcast goes to adverts, in the UK we get local commentary on the game.

    Channel 5 is a free to view channel that relies on advertising for it's revenue. It is not affiliated with the BBC or has anything to do with the license fee. I doubt they could get a huge amount of money with advertising at the time most US sports show anyway (all the world series games started at about 1am here). However, _somebody_ is paying for channel 5 to air MLB, and it isn't me.

    My best guess on who is paying for MLB, NBA, NHL and NFL (yes, we get the others too) to be aired on five is the MLB, NBA, NHL and NFL. I can't imagine channel 5 are paying much, if anything, since they do not air adverts during the games.

    This is mostly a rant on how where you live affects what you can watch, and how in some cases the MLB does not care who watches their games for free. Restrictions will only apply to the populace who wants it most - if the populace doesn't want it, there is no need for restrictions. We have the same thing in the UK - it costs an arm and a leg to watch any football on TV (excluding events in law that must be on standard tv, that is the FA cup, the world cup, and England's competitive home games iirc). Anyone who wants to follow their own club on TV has to pay through the nose... though I'm not often affected by this because I support Colchester United :P. (though Colchester are now riding high and are on TV now and again)

    Just to clarify - channel 5 generally only show four US sports events a week - on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. On Thursday, Friday and Saturday, they have crap phone in game shows on (which presumably net them more profit). They have shown the MLB world series in full for at least a few years, they show the Stanley cup in full. The Superbowl goes to ITV (channel 3, also commercial) who generally do a god awful job of covering it with random rugby celebrities. The NBA I'm not as interested in, but I think it goes somewhere else in finals too.

    Wow... this must be nearly my longest /. post, and I've not really made a pertinent point. Oh, DRM is crap. There you go.

  • Re:Translation? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Fnkmaster ( 89084 ) on Thursday November 08, 2007 @03:04AM (#21278395)
    Time limits aside, VISA and Mastercard are consumer-friendly to the point of being idiotic when it comes to chargebacks, for non-card-present transactions. My company wins *every* chargeback with Amex - we record inbound calls and just play back the audio where the cardholder agreed to a certain charge/policy when people contest the charges (they are always legitimate charges, we just deal in big ticket items, and it turns out we have a lot of scumbag customers who take advantage of the system). We also win every VISA/Mastercard chargeback where we have a signature on a credit card slip for the appropriate amount, and we lose *every* VISA/Mastercard chargeback that we don't have that slip for.

    Of course, since we deal in big ticket items, we just hand people over to a collections agency when they play this game with us.
  • by runderwo ( 609077 ) * <runderwoNO@SPAMmail.win.org> on Thursday November 08, 2007 @12:27PM (#21282247)

    I for one feel really badly about how we're basically screwing the fans out of their money. As much as this is sad, however, I'd like to ask everyone to bear with us and let us work out a solution to this issue. We're not doing this on purpose, and a solution will be found.
    So MLB refusing refund requests is considered "not doing this on purpose" and "feeling really badly"? Please!

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