Oregon AG Seeks to Investigate RIAA Tactics 114
NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "Turning the tables on the RIAA's attempt to subpoena information from the University of Oregon, that state's Attorney General has now filed additional papers to conduct immediate discovery into the RIAA's 'data mining' techniques. These techniques include the use of unlicensed investigators, the turning over of subpoenaed information to collection agencies, and the obtaining of personal information from computers. The AG pointed out (pdf) that 'Because Plaintiffs routinely obtain ex parte discovery in their John Doe infringement suits ... their factual assertions supporting their good cause argument are never challenged by an adverse party and their investigative methods remain free of scrutiny. They often settle their cases quickly before defendants obtain legal representation and begin to conduct discovery.'"
This sounds hilarious eh I mean fun (Score:5, Interesting)
What does this mean, if I read it correctly is this really the state department responsible for prosecuting CRIMINAL cases who has launched ON THEIR OWN an investigation of RIAA methods?
Is Oregon some red state of the US? Is the prosecutor involved to old to care about his career?
I hate to get excited over nothing but this seems like a major setback for the RIAA and their underhanded tactics. A real criminal investigation? Neat.
Finally (Score:5, Interesting)
(see comment about chickens before hatching)Although as I type this I recall the new restrictive copyright laws in Switzerland and Canada. This has tempered my optimism, but still I think things are finally changing.
About time!!!! (Score:5, Interesting)
1. Other states copy this (not to mention the feds).
2. The RIAA gets some sense and backs down.
3. The public can enjoy their music without fear of being involved in a witch hunt.
I'm likely dreaming, but one can dream can't they?
The Gist of the Argument (Score:5, Interesting)
Taken from the blog Recording Industry vs The People
I think they have enough ammunition here to put the RIAA on the defensive. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out, especially what counter-arguments the RIAA comes up with. This smells like the SCO all over again.
I just had a thought - somebody alert the press! (Score:2, Interesting)
I wonder if the member companies of the RIAA (Sony, BMG, etc.) could be held liable for RIAA's tactical abuse of the legal system?
Re:This sounds hilarious eh I mean fun (Score:5, Interesting)
Is anyone else really surprised, that with such a myopic attitude, that the recording industry has resorted to these sorts of tactics? It's like, come on man, businesses change...every business changes and any CEO worth his salt adjusts to those changes. Stupid assholes got caught with their pants down and now they want to change the laws of the land to take us back to 1997 when they had complete control.
The funniest thing about it to me, is at 16 year old I could see where the music industry was going. My stance on Napster was always "Create a service where I can buy songs for 99 cents a pop, get the songs I want and not an entire CD and I'll pay for the material"; iTunes came along and I have not illegally obtained a piece of music since then. Here's to Apple getting 20% more market share because I want to see this guy fail big time.
Criminal? (Score:5, Interesting)
Because I'd sure love to see MediaSentry/BayTSP get shafted like MediaDefender was. With any luck, the latter will go out of business given that they lost the better part of a million dollars over the email leak and they were already operating pretty far into the red.
Also, is there any chance of this opening them up to lawsuits from those who were "investigated"? In other words, might Oregon (or other) residents be able to file a class action even if they already settled with the RIAA?
I'd love to see more lawyers set their sights on the RIAA. When you declare war on your customers (and yes, even "pirates" buy stuff, unless they're boycotting them now), you're NOT going to win the war.
Re:Common Sense!? (Score:2, Interesting)
At least one of the items listed could lead to criminal prosecution. If the AG decided to file charges it would have an enormous effect. And if other AGs in other states indicate they might follow that lead it will be some mighty nervous times for the Media Sentry boys and the lot.
Isn't this a form of wiretapping? (Score:5, Interesting)
These techniques include the use of unlicensed investigators, the turning over of subpoenaed information to collection agencies, and the obtaining of personal information from computers.
I've always wondered how these non-government agencies can get away with this kind of behavior without someone bringing them up on some kind of wiretapping/DMCA charge. Seems like the RIAA would be in violation of the CALEA [wikipedia.org] to me, as well as the DMCA - since they must circumvent access control to gain the kinds of information they claim to have. (And yes, I do count bluffing universities that they have to hand over IP addresses as circumvention - it's Social Engineering, and it's as old as hacking itself).
They're not cops. Why do they have cop powers? I know for a fact if I do *any* of the crap they're doing, I'll go to jail.
Why not them?
At This Point In Oregon (Score:4, Interesting)
An IP address and a timestamp does not identify a particular computer. It might, at most, point to a cable modem, dsl modem, wireless router, none of which store or share files.
Adding a screen snapshot of a list of files of unknown content doesn't improve in that identification.
An IP address and a timestamp and a screen shot of file names doesn't identify an individual.
None of the above shows that any copyrighted work was ever distributed illegally.
Finding copyrighted music files on a hard drive is no evidence of illegal downloading.
To recap, the RIAA has:
No way to identify an individual.
No way to identify a computer or tie it to an individual.
No proof, or ability to get proof, of illegal downloading.
No proof, or ability to get proof without having tapped internet connections of any distribution to anyone but their own investigators, who frankly don't count legally.
No case at all to justify their invasion of a user's privacy, and the extortion attempts to follow as they insist through their lying mouths, "We have already secured the information necessary to win against you in court!
The RIAA also has yet to prove in nearly all these cases that they are the current copyright holders of the very songs they seek to sue over, often presenting original copyright certificates in the names of companies that are no longer even in existence, and individual artists who have since died.
Yes, the courts need to put a direct and firm end to all this nonsense.
(Note to file sharers: Don't use your own personal, or nick, name as your KaZaA handle.)
Re:This sounds hilarious eh I mean fun (Score:5, Interesting)
http://www.brendastardom.com/arch.asp?ArchID=719 [brendastardom.com]
They never did really listen to him.