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Intel Employee Caught Running OLPC News Site 193

An anonymous reader noted yet another story about credibility and disclosure on-line. An OLPC news site highly critical of the project was run by an Intel employee who actually is working on a project that competes with the OLPC. Oh, and the site failed to disclose this pretty serious bit of bias. The article talks about the most extreme interpretation ("Intel secretly bankrolls blog that disses competitor") but even the less extreme version ("insider badmouths competitors anonymously at night") is pretty fishy. Just more reasons to never believe anything on-line, including me I guess.
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Intel Employee Caught Running OLPC News Site

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  • Distortion ... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by foobsr ( 693224 ) * on Saturday January 12, 2008 @12:15PM (#22015022) Homepage Journal
    TFA: "It turns out that one of the site's authors works on an Intel project that is competing with the OLPC. Oops."

    TFS: "An OLPC news site highly critical of the project was run by an Intel employee who actually is working on a project that competes with the OLPC."

    TFS: "Just more reasons to never believe anything on-line, including me I guess."

    q.e.d.

    CC.
  • by UberOogie ( 464002 ) on Saturday January 12, 2008 @12:15PM (#22015026)
    Wayan seems to be replying to every article about this.

    His argument seems to be:
    It is a coincidence that he is working on a competing product to the OLPC.
    It is a coincidence that he started a "personal" project slandering his business rival and getting Google links to the OLPC.
    It is simply standard procedure that he is buying negative Google ads to promote his personal site. (You know, the way you buy Google Ads all the time for your personal projects.)

    His screeching denials are more damning than anything else.

     
  • by filbranden ( 1168407 ) on Saturday January 12, 2008 @12:31PM (#22015188)

    Looks like the case [slashdot.org] of the fake Open Document Foundation, that had nothing to do with ODF itself, and was just spreading FUD (probably trying to get money from Microsoft, in that case).

    On the good side, these "schemes" tend to be found and revealed really quickly these days.

  • And (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Joe Jay Bee ( 1151309 ) * <jbsouthsea@@@gmail...com> on Saturday January 12, 2008 @12:50PM (#22015382)
    Slashdot, with its numerous Microsoft bashing and Linux praising articles, is owned by OSTG (or SourceForge, whatever it's called) which has everything to gain from, er, the promotion of Linux and F/OSS.

    So, where's the full disclosure on this, hum?

  • by mfh ( 56 ) on Saturday January 12, 2008 @12:53PM (#22015432) Homepage Journal
    Just to let you know, in case you haven't figured it out... Intel doesn't need to badmouth the competition. Intel employees are some of the biggest zealots available on the market and HR at Intel hires based on how much of a zealot a person can be for their brand. Brand loyalty is the number one trait that Intel HR is looking for in a potential employee, above and beyond skill level. If you have ever had a conversation with an Intel rep you will know exactly what I'm talking about. They store up a bunch of company info and spew it at you, nonstop.

    Therefore I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this is a zealot who decided to take the zealotry to another level in the form of a website.

    Zealots take business to the personal level, and therefore it would be false to suggest this was a paid-for stunt by Intel... even if they cop to it. A PR person might suggest that Intel takes the fall for this in order to drive the free media exposure higher than it has to be (businesses actually do that stuff sometimes), but that wouldn't be the truth, IMHO.
  • Re:The real story (Score:3, Interesting)

    by WaZiX ( 766733 ) on Saturday January 12, 2008 @12:58PM (#22015494)

    Okay, after being forced to dive into the sources by lousy reporting, here is the story:
    Now, on Geekcorps' website, of one their technology partners [geekcorps.org] is listed as Intel.
    Funny how you failed to mention that Geekcorp is not just a technology partner, but that Geekcorp is working with Intel to develop a
    competing product.
  • by burnin1965 ( 535071 ) on Saturday January 12, 2008 @02:03PM (#22016218) Homepage

    this blog never really had that big of a following
    If it doesn't have much of a following its probably due to the obvious bias of the site. I don't recall the first time I read olpc news and how I got there but it was obvious from the start that it wasn't really an olpc news site but rather was simply an attack site spreading the same disinformation we see posted to message boards.

    The olpc news blog attacked the educational objectives of the project from the start, not by critically assessing the years of research and study that went into the plan rather, by completely ignoring not just the research and study but even the advertised objectives and methods written in plain english on the loptop.org web site. How many times does it have to be explained to these people that its not a laptop project dumping laptops on starving third world children, its about the educational concept of constructionism [laptop.org].

    It even continues to this day where he posts "news" that there is no news showing that the kids who have so far received laptops are learning when again if he has been following the real news, you know, journalists and reporters actually out in the field finding out for themselves, the educational benefits are beginning to demonstrate themselves in small ways just as they did in the research.

    And even if the blog is not closely followed, this guy is being interviewed and quoted all over the radio, even by NPR, as a source for OLPC news. That would be news about OLPC, not the website olpcnews which is a misnomer. Its disgraceful. Even though I stopped reading the guys web site I still had to listen to his crap on the radio when ever the OLPC project comes up in the real news.

    Even though there is an obvious conflict of interest, and his site seems to be very biased, I can still see the possibility that he was just creating a blog about something he was interested in. I don't believe that the XO and Classmate were originally competing products as the target kids and communities for the OLPC educational program were outside the realm of Intel's existing educational assistance programs. The problem is that marketing PR, and in the case of Microsoft politics concerning open source software, drove them to "compete" in the OLPC "market" when in fact there is no market, its a charitable non-profit cause. As things were getting ugly in the media between Intel and OLPC he really should have disclosed the conflict of interest that arose.

  • by nbauman ( 624611 ) on Saturday January 12, 2008 @02:15PM (#22016356) Homepage Journal
    As a real journalist, I can tell you from first-hand experience that in the more credible publications, (a) if a journalist was getting anything of value from a company (money, travel and accommodations, etc.) he would not be allowed to write about that company. (b) If an expert were writing something about his specialty, and he was getting something of value from a company as a consultant or something (which is legitimate), that expert would have to disclose his financial arrangements to the readers.

    You can see these disclosures in scientific journals all the time. I just signed a disclosure form myself, in which I affirmed that I had no financial interests in the story I was writing about.

    I admit there are a lot of astroturf publications in which an advertiser can buy a story, sometimes written by a PR firm, without disclosure, but I think most people who read those publications realize what's going on and give them the credibility that's appropriate.

    I think the biggest concern is, what happens if you get sued for libel? The American libel laws tend to favor journalists who are writing about public figures, which means almost anybody who is in the news. If I make a mistake, as long as I was acting in good faith, they can't get damages against me.

    To win a case against a journalist, a public figure has to prove malice. Malice is a specific legal term which is different from the everyday meaning of the term, but one example of malice would be writing defamatory charges against a competitor.

    The worst case I can think of offhand was a TV producer for one of the major networks, who left TV and went into public relations. One of her clients was a bank, which was competing with Safra. The ex-producer got the bright idea of faxing unfavorable stories about Safra to newspapers and magazines, most of them in underdeveloped countries. The stories were anti-Semitic and contained false, defamatory statements about Safra.

    When she was working in journalism, she was used to keeping her sources confidential, but in public relations, there's no such confidentiality, especially when people get sued for libel, and lawyers start taking depositions. She was so stupid that she didn't realize that her fax machine was sending her own phone number at the top of the fax and could easily be traced back to her. So she and her banking client got caught. (But they would have caught her anyway, because when lawyers sue somebody for libel, they can force the defendants, or anyone connected with the case, to disclose lots of information.)

    Safra sued them, and the bank finally settled for several million dollars, which Safra contributed to charity, as I recall.

    But the point is, if you're a journalist, you're operating by one set of rules. If you're getting paid by a company, and acting in their interest, you're operating by another set of rules. If you don't disclose your financial interests in the matters you write about, you're skating on thin ice, and opening yourself to libel. You're also dragging your client into liability for big (multi-million dollar) damages. If they sue you, all the facts will come out.

    I expect that Intel will decide that they don't want to be associated with Wayan any more.
  • by gillbates ( 106458 ) on Saturday January 12, 2008 @02:17PM (#22016386) Homepage Journal

    I work for a major engineering company. My views do not necessarily represent the views of my employer, and I wish it to remain this way.

    So, if I personally felt that my employer's project was superior to a competitor's, should I be forced to disclose my employer? What if I felt my employer was following the wrong marketing strategy? Should I disclose then?

    The problem, as I see it, is if I disclose my employer, people will associate my opinions with my employer. Or worse, if I am critical of some new technology, will assume that my employer is also critical of said technology. Either situation can damage the reputation and possibly the business prospects of my employer. In light of such, if people knew who employed me, I would be less likely to state my opinion, for fear of the negative repercussions.

    Unfortunately, all too many people are willing to discredit others based on their affiliations and associations rather than the strength or weaknesses of their arguments. The problem, as I see it, is that everyone seems to want an unbiased source, rather than dealing with the fact that this is almost impossible in the real world, and rather than evaluating the bias of the debater, we should be debating the merit of his arguments. Sadly, because so many are concerned with the authority and credentials of the presenter, those of us who actually have authority on technical issues are loathe to discuss them in public. I would rather have my arguments evaluated in light of their strengths and weaknesses than whom has chosen to employ me.

    And for this reason, I chose not to divulge my employer. I want my arguments evaluated on their merits, without respect for my authority in the field. Too many people have adopted the practice of taking a position in a debate based not upon the merits of the arguments, but rather, the authority of the presenter. I expect people to think; I'm not here to make up your mind for you.

  • by thatseattleguy ( 897282 ) on Saturday January 12, 2008 @02:20PM (#22016432) Homepage
    I frequent that site [olpcnews.com]. I actually find most of Wayan Vota's postings about the OLPC to be neutral or positive (with other contributors all over the map).


    Jeesh, go visit right now. The lead article's titled "10,000 Give One Get One XO Laptops Going to OLPC Mongolia". Hardly the stuff of astroturfing.

    You really want _negative_? Go visit their forums (same site) and read the posts from the hundreds of "Give One Get One" donors who've been out $423.95 for over two months now and still have no XO laptops to show for it, due to OLPC's incompetency and inability to manage the program. _That's_ negative stuff.

    Full disclosure: I'm one of those unfortunate donors.

    /tsg/

  • Re:astroturf (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 12, 2008 @03:03PM (#22016928)
    Perhaps we should be asking every website to provide a street address, phone number, and ownership report.

    German courts actually made this mandatory for every website. Not that anyone could enforce it outside Germany.
  • Re:astroturf (Score:3, Interesting)

    by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) * on Saturday January 12, 2008 @05:36PM (#22018468) Journal

    Just more reasons to never believe anything on-line
    Not at all, but it is a reason to require more transparency for people who put up websites which disparage a product, company or candidate.

    Perhaps we should be asking every website to provide a street address, phone number, and ownership report
    Some of the most successful online communities have been those that require their members to use real names. There is good reason for certain types of speech to be anonymous of course, especially when criticizing a regime that is likely to seek revenge (such as China, Iran, the US, Microsoft or Apple), but anonymity should be the exception, not the rule.

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