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OLPC To Be Distributed To US Students 338

eldavojohn writes "The One Laptop Per Child Project plans to launch OLPC America in 2008 , to distribute the low-cost laptop computers originally intended for developing nations to needy students here in the United States. Nicholas Negroponte is quoted as saying, 'We are doing something patriotic, if you will, after all we are and there are poor children in America. The second thing we're doing is building a critical mass. The numbers are going to go up, people will make more software, it will steer a larger development community.'"
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OLPC To Be Distributed To US Students

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  • Re:Patriotic??? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 13, 2008 @12:18AM (#22021558)
    turning home only after selling everywhere else and some may say after failing to realize the volume

    Bingo! This sounds like a botched effort by the so-called Missionaries of Charity!

    Making a so-called virtue out of a bare necessity, more like. Just sell the damned things like any other simple goods or service, and keep quiet about the philosophy bit.
  • by zazenation ( 1060442 ) on Sunday January 13, 2008 @12:28AM (#22021620)
    Hurray for OLPC team!

    Maybe we might begin to develop a generation of students who haven't been mesmerized by the MICROSOFT logo. Tweaking around with the OS for fun will sprout a new generation of "garage" hackers. I'll never forget my first erector set. Now it will be virtual. Go kiddies GO !
  • by timmarhy ( 659436 ) on Sunday January 13, 2008 @12:48AM (#22021726)
    it costs too much and isn't being used in anyway that it keeps being promoted as being. is that clear enough or do i need to start sounding out the words to you?
  • by bogaboga ( 793279 ) on Sunday January 13, 2008 @12:52AM (#22021754)

    'We are doing something patriotic, if you will, after all we are and there are poor children in America.

    That's one fact I did not know about America and specifically the USA. I thought America was a place where everybody was rich. Its government was always funding a significant portion of my country's budget and building schools and hospitals.

    That's what I believed till I came here. I saw what capitalism can be. The rich get richer and the poor have almost no chance of escaping poverty's grip! All in America.

    I also saw something: America is rich in what I call material prosperity...that is, infrastructure and all supporting services; but beyond that, people (most of them) are really hurting and living from hand to mouth. Sadly, our politicians are doing us no good at all. Corruption is rife in America and incompetence is reaching terrible levels.

    The other sad fact is that the situation will get worse before it gets better.

  • by pembo13 ( 770295 ) on Sunday January 13, 2008 @12:55AM (#22021776) Homepage
    I kinda got the impression from my reading about the OLPC project and it's drivers that it was a multinational project. So this news is a bit of a surprise to me.
  • Re:what the hell... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Amigori ( 177092 ) <eefranklin718 AT yahoo DOT com> on Sunday January 13, 2008 @01:08AM (#22021880) Homepage
    Agreed... Being poor has nothing to do with your race/creed/color/etc. Of all the typos throughout the day... Mod parent up.
  • by riseoftheindividual ( 1214958 ) on Sunday January 13, 2008 @01:18AM (#22021948) Homepage
    ...said about my first computer. Complaining that I only seemed to play games on it. Which was true at first. Too bad she never lived to see where it would eventually take me professionally.
  • We had our first meeting of the San Francisco Bay Area OLPC user group. Not sure if we even have a name. At any rate, a bunch of us got together at the Linux lab in the San Francisco State University to just goof around with these machines. It is really funny to hear them hiss at each other as they try to figure out how close the nearest XOs are. Yep, they talk to each other. They emit a brief hissing sound when you ask them to calculate the distance between XOs. They listen for the hissing sound (or so I was told, dunno, didn't check into it) and then they calculate how long it took for the sound to reach each other, and then they all report back to each other, and they determine how far apart their fellow XOs are. Hilarious.

    They also have built in video, which two of the resident children were really enjoying by making monkey faces, much to the embarrassment of their parents. Insanity, you know, is inherited from your children. heh. One kid composed music on his XO. He is 5. As in less than 6 years old. You can add eyes to the screen, and the screen will talk to you to tell you how many eyes it has. Very entertaining for a 3 year-old. Did I mention that these computers are called One Laptop Per *Child*? They really figured out how to make these computers entertaining *for kids*. This is really a kid-centric device.

    The amazing thing is that it brings out the kid in adults.
  • by |deity| ( 102693 ) on Sunday January 13, 2008 @01:29AM (#22022030) Homepage
    I agree they should have offered the laptop to the general public from day one. I don't agree that it's to late to do so now though. There is an untapped market of people that would like to use these as cheap ebook readers. Since they have low power usage and are usable in the sunlight, they could be used as a decent book readers.

    I do wish they would offer them in a different color scheme, say basic black. I don't see a whole lot of non-geeks carrying around a white and lime green laptop that looks like a childs toy.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 13, 2008 @01:44AM (#22022122)
    Patriotism? This makes my gut wrench. If this is patriotism, then what has Negroponte being doing to those third-world countries? I'm not an American. Does this mean if I advocate OLPC I am supporting America? The Article doesn't say what the costing will be. Will Americans get a 'discount' over third-world countries?

    How sad. I thought this was an International effort. They might as well wrap the thing in the stars and stripes.
  • Re:what the hell... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 13, 2008 @01:44AM (#22022128)
    I'm guessing you're not American. Here in America, we don't use 'poor' and 'kids' in conjunction. You see, that would imply that we're not an uber meritocratic nation. Despite that being the truth, we instead like to go into denial mode and yammer nonstop about how here in America, anyone can grow up to become whatever rather than admit that yes, there are poor kids (with the black population having a higher percentage of these).

    IMO, America is more classist than racist. Very few people are openly racist; however, many tend to have this simplistic notion that everyone rises to their place in life according to skill, and that the class you're born into plays no part on this. Obviously, you need not look any farther than the president to see otherwise. However, this classism tends to form a sort of pseudo-racism, as more blacks are poor (and therefore less educated, hold crappier jobs, ect.) than whites.

    /offtopic rant
  • Re:zigactly (Score:5, Interesting)

    by fictionpuss ( 1136565 ) on Sunday January 13, 2008 @01:58AM (#22022200)
    It's about market share - which educational computing system will become the successful standard for children in developing nations? Intel have demonstrated that they are very interested in this market and will happily use underhanded [bbc.co.uk] tactics to claim it.

    In this light it would make absolutely no sense to service the wealthy geek niche while Intel/Microsoft maximise profits at the expense of education, because by the time the OLPC had done whatever else it would take to satisfy you, the contest would be over.

    This isn't an anti-capitalist hippie parade either, but quite simply that all profit which is extracted from these developing nations represents lost opportunity for education. Intel/Microsoft can either help or hinder, but they have no sympathy from me if they continue to choose the latter.

  • by aktzin ( 882293 ) on Sunday January 13, 2008 @02:10AM (#22022276)

    I can confirm this from personal experience. I was born in Mexico and when I was 13 my family moved to the US. I was halfway through the equivalent of 7th grade (Jr. High in the US). At that point I had learned the following as part of my education (note - this was in public school, no advanced placement / gifted program or anything):

    Math - Had basic geometry covered and was starting on algebra. I already knew some basic number theory, sets, square roots, and how to read numbers in the trillions and beyond. I could convert from decimals to fractions and back.

    Science - I memorized the periodic table of elements and had to recite them all to the teacher as part of our test. We had been introduced to astronomy, physics, biology and of course chemistry as I mentioned.

    Geography - Learned the name of every country in the world. For our tests the teacher put up a poster of each continent with national boundaries but no labels. As she pointed to each country we had to give its name and capital.

    Literature - We had read and discussed excerpted versions of the Iliad and the Odyssey, among other classics.

    History - In addition to excruciatingly detailed Mexican history we learned about the history of the world starting with ancient civilizations like Sumeria and Egypt. We worked our way through Greece, Rome, Persia, China and the more recent empires (Renaissance nation-states, European colonial powers, etc.). We covered the world wars in great detail and even discussed world events from that time, like the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

    So when I got to the U.S.A. I was looking forward to an amazing education in the world's richest, most technologically advanced country. What did I get? For math, they started with fractions. For history they covered the US war of independence in the most incredibly dumbed-down way and hardly mentioned any world history. For science, my biology textbook said that all information referring to evolution should be considered a theory and not a scientific fact... shall I go on?

    Don't get me wrong. I love this country and I'm eternally grateful for the opportunities I've had (bachelor's degree in computer science, great career working for a fortune 100 technology company, etc.). It just disappointed me that the educational system was such a lazy affair, where many teachers appeared to be barely competent and most of them didn't take the time and effort to inspire and push the students to do better. Fortunately my family instilled in me the value of education so I made the extra effort to learn more than what the schools offered to teach me. I have heard similar stories from friends who immigrated from other countries, in particular India and other parts of Asia. I have hoped for years that things would improve but I'm not holding my breath anymore. And we dare to be surprised by the outsourcing situation?

  • by 'nother poster ( 700681 ) on Sunday January 13, 2008 @02:13AM (#22022298)
    My grandmother did survive to see some of where computers took me as a career. One day in the early '90s when we were talking about something being worth buying I commented that "I don't make $50k a year not to spend it. If I want it I'll buy it." She was silent for a few seconds and then commented that "your grandfather never made that much in a year, ever during his life." I was in my late 20s and my grandfather had died the year before. I think she realized in that moment just how much those silly computers her grandson worked with were valued as tools of commerce. This was before the internet bubble and the insane salaries that went along with them. Back then $50k in the midwest was a pretty respectable salary. Thanks to the bubble in the late 90s I make a lot more now.
  • by bogjobber ( 880402 ) on Sunday January 13, 2008 @02:40AM (#22022464)
    Just curious where you lived in Mexico and where you moved to in the US. There are some pretty large differences from state to state in the US, and I assume that it would be pretty dramatic in Mexico as well. I know a lot of people from Coahuila and Chihuahua, and to put it nicely they don't exactly instill in me a great respect for the Mexican public education system.
  • by twasserman ( 878174 ) on Sunday January 13, 2008 @03:39AM (#22022866)
    When the OLPC project started looking for customers, they approached national governments, with the idea of getting the leadership of a country to commit to buying large numbers (a million or more) of the XO laptops for their countries. Part of the idea was that such large orders would drive down the average cost. As we now know, that strategy proved impractical for several reasons, including the unwillingness of countries to lay out the money for an unproven approach, the political and economic competition within countries for use of that money, the competition that arose from other companies wanting to produce and sell low-cost computers to schools. The OLPC leadership has changed its strategy, focusing on smaller deployments and pilot projects, such as those now underway in Uruguay and Peru.

    In the US, the federal government has relatively little involvement in such decisions, which are handled at the state and local level. With the change in strategy, the OLPC effort can address individual states and cities. Of course, there are underprivileged students in every state, but here, too, the OLPC sales effort must deal with the same kinds of issues that they found in Thailand, Nigeria, and elsewhere. If you were the Superintendent of Schools for Detroit's school district or the State Secretary of Education in Mississippi, would you spend the taxpayers' money on XO laptops, on teachers to help schools comply with the No Child Left Behind mandate, or on something else?

    I bought an XO laptop during the Give One, Get One promotion, and admire all of the effort that went into its design. It's fun to use, even if it is a bit underpowered and the keyboard is tough for continuous typing. I wish the OLPC team the best of success with their program, but it's also likely to be a tough sale here in the US, patriotism notwithstanding.

  • by ConanG ( 699649 ) on Sunday January 13, 2008 @06:36AM (#22023658)
    Maybe he thinks he got hustled into buying one for a kid in Afghanistan. He wanted one for his kid and paid the extra $200 for it. Now all these other people won't have to buy one for kids in the boonies. Not the most altruistic attitude, but it would explain his complaining...

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