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Can Architects Save Libraries from the Internet? 270

theodp writes "Slate has an interesting photo essay exploring the question of how to build a public library in the age of Google, Wikipedia, and Kindle. The grand old reading rooms and stacks of past civic monuments are giving way to a new library-as-urban-hangout concept, as evidenced by Seattle's Starbucks-meets-mega-bookstore central library and Salt Lake City's shop-lined education mall. Without some dramatic changes, The Extinction Timeline predicts libraries will R.I.P. in 2019."
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Can Architects Save Libraries from the Internet?

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  • by amccaf1 ( 813772 ) on Sunday March 02, 2008 @06:34PM (#22618196)

    Libraries will be RIP when you can browse any book / periodical / reasearch paper etc online.

    And I mean any periodical, the microfilm of a 1972 NY times to a book thats been out of print for 20 years.


    To expand on your point, it's good to remember that just because something is available on the Internet, it does not necessarily follow that it is automatically better/easier to view than something that it available at your library.

    For example, most (if not all) of the New York Times archives are available on-line... but for a fee. The New York Times charges $3.95 for a single archive or $15.95 for a ten-pack of articles. Compare this to a archive of the newspaper in a bricks-n-mortar library which will allow you to look through their records for free as long as your willing to work the microfilm reader.

    If, for example, you're a sports writer who is researching contemporary coverage of the 1972 Mets, you'd end up paying quite a lot more to do your research over the Internet as things stand now.
  • by RobBebop ( 947356 ) on Sunday March 02, 2008 @06:36PM (#22618212) Homepage Journal

    free (or atleast cheap) public access to information

    Libraries are funded by tax dollars.

    public internet cafes

    If this means Free internet AND Free coffee, I am in. And they should have a comfortable place to sit. And a comfortable place to discuss ideas with others.

    As silly as it sounds, the greatest thing about public libraries during my college years was the chance to privacy for my studies and meeting with course project groups.

    So, while libraries won't need to be a place to store books/information, they SHOULD be preserved as a public place to (a) find peace and quiet or (b) gather and discuss interesting issues.

  • No More Mouse (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Layth ( 1090489 ) on Sunday March 02, 2008 @07:02PM (#22618386)
    I think the mouse is already outdated.
    My webcam should be tracking my eyes, and know exactly where I am trying to click.

    Just transfer the left / right mouse buttons & scroll wheel onto the keyboard and I can stop moving my hands!
    Seriously, does no one else think it's impractical we have to keep taking our hands off the keyboard?
  • by mollymoo ( 202721 ) * on Sunday March 02, 2008 @07:29PM (#22618544) Journal
    Your argument seems to be that because you don't have much need for them they don't need to exist. Well, I hate to break it to you, but the world doesn't revolve around you and most people aren't in your situation.

    Like most people, I'm not at university (any more), so libraries are the only access I have to a wide range of textbooks, scientific journals etc. I do buy books and the odd journal, but I couldn't hope to afford a collection even remotely close to what is on offer even at the public library, let alone the local university libraries (which the public can enter for free and join for a modest fee).

    There are a hell of a lot of people for whom libraries are the only form of access to high-quality information. The internet hasn't changed that very much, because most of the best information still costs money.
  • by AnotherDaveB ( 912424 ) on Sunday March 02, 2008 @07:35PM (#22618590)
    Being able to search the library catalogue, and reserve books, online has increased my library usage. One of the handier things web access has given me.
  • Mending Things (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Blancmange ( 195140 ) on Sunday March 02, 2008 @07:41PM (#22618642)
    I concur. The availability of cheap, good quality, sophisticated and powerful tools makes it even more rewarding to build and mend stuff these days.

    That the Internet provides inspiration for D.I.Y. projects is a big factor, too. Sometimes, I'm inspired by the World Wide Web to go to a library, even. Having library services available on the Web makes using a real library all the more worthwhile.

    I think calling the Extinction Timeline garbage is an understatement. Sometimes I can make cool stuff out of garbage.
  • by SacredByte ( 1122105 ) on Sunday March 02, 2008 @07:56PM (#22618746)
    I agree on public libraries needing longer hours. The hours of my local library are as follows:

    Monday - Thursday 9:30 AM - 9:00 PM

    Friday 9:30 AM - 6:00 PM

    Saturday 9:30 AM- 5:00 PM

    Sunday 1:00 - 5:00 PM
    These hours absolutely suck for me. I don't generally go to the library at any time other than late evenings/weekends. I can fully understand not having all departments open at all times -- All I really need is to be able to check out books. That takes maybe (tops) five library staff members (paid or otherwise). I can fully understand not having sufficent funds to operate all departments at 100% at all hours, but this doesn't mean you can't operate some departments without operating other departments....

    Honestly, the library would be a much more practical place to study if they were open until 23:00 on Friday-Sunday. They don't need to staff the A/V department, they don't need to staff the reference department, they don't need to staff their computer center (they have public 802.11G) -- they just need to have a guard and a few people to handle checkouts.

    Just my $0.02 USD.
  • by kesuki ( 321456 ) on Sunday March 02, 2008 @08:18PM (#22618880) Journal
    personally, I'm waiting for the day when public libraries offer books in digital format.

    as someone else has said certain university libraries already do this for students.

    i live in a a small town, and they have limited library funds, virtually every magazine in the library is 'sponsored' by an individual or a company in town, and the books they buy don't tend to be in the genera i prefer. when major cities are able to digitize vast libraries of books, then rural small town libraries will be able to take advantage of this vast knowledge of wealth, by simply accessing the book that a well funded library was able to purchase for digitization, without having to buy a copy of their own.

    even if you can only access these books online at that local library, all I'd have to do is get a cheap wireless enabled laptop, plug into the library's power, and read books as long as i wanted. (if you use their computers your time is limited, but not if you use their wi-fi)

    even if they locked up the digital books with drm and such, this would vastly improve access to books in rural America. instead of having to go on a wait list to ship the book from a library that is in partnership with your local library, you could just download it. basically instead of your local library having 10 or 20 thousand books on hand with maybe 200,000 thousand on inter library loan you could download and read one of millions of books... bandwidth is way cheaper than the gas to do Interlibrary loans.

    and yeah since it could be used on library owned pcs, then yes it would be accessible to even the poorest Americans. i think that ultimately its the best way for libraries to go. having to keep books on hand is costly, even if people donate books to libraries, many public libraries are too small to shelve many books. this takes away the problem of how to give people more access to reading materials without having to store them all, or to have to build brand new libraries in many counties that don't have the cash for it...

    best of all, if it's electronic you don't need to 'return' it, although if they have drm policies you may need to prove that the file was deleted... i don't really care about that, it would make me very happy to learn i could read all sorts of books people have recommended, or that i thought i might want to read...without having to wait a week for an interlibrary loan and then have to return it a week later...
  • by ElizabethGreene ( 1185405 ) on Sunday March 02, 2008 @09:21PM (#22619258)
    I am the same way... I go up and down the aisles, and stop randomly, reading book titles. It's amazing the things fascinating things you would never think to google. Boat building leads to seamanship leads to hydroponics leads to farming leads to animal husbandry leads to ... Sometimes you stumble across the real gems, like the popular mechanics how-to encyclopedia, which showed how to turn a drill press into a milling machine, how to build bookshelves, airplanes, boats, entertainment centers... No, can't give it up. They can close the libraries over my cold* dead body.

    -ellie

    * Cold dead body - I am a funded option 2 member of the Cryonics Institute.
  • by ElizabethGreene ( 1185405 ) on Sunday March 02, 2008 @09:29PM (#22619314)
    Here in scenic and beautiful Tennessee, we have a program like this. It's called "READS" link [tnla.org]. They have a lot of the classics and a better than average selection of audiobooks.

    ... And there is always project Gutenberg. (sp)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 02, 2008 @09:59PM (#22619448)
    You say that the internet is lousy at "browsing", and site "world history" as an example.

    If you define the internet as Google, perhaps, but within 3 seconds I had the following excellent starting point for browsing world history:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_history [wikipedia.org]

    A few links (and a few seconds) later and you could be down one of thousands of branchs of the topic (of your choosing).

    Only a person who's livelihood or world-view depended on the existence of libraries could think that a physical book collection could compete with that. And this is on an example which was chosen specifically to highlight the deficiency of the internet.
  • by cphilo ( 768807 ) on Sunday March 02, 2008 @10:49PM (#22619704)
    1. It is much more difficult for a nefarious entity (be it a government agency, a political opponent, an underhanded corporation) to "edit" to data with the printed page as opposed to the internet. 2. Information does not accidentally get deleted after 30 days with a bound book. 3. Have you ever held a rare book in your hands? Touched the history? See the margin notes from hundred of years ago? Marveled at the hand colored pictures? Can't do that with the internet.
  • Comment removed (Score:4, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday March 03, 2008 @04:08AM (#22621366)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion

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