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Terrorist Recognition Handbook 344

Ben Rothke writes "There are two types of writers about terrorism, experts such as Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson who write from a distance and others that write graphic tales of first-hand from the trenches war stories. Terrorist Recognition Handbook: A Practitioner's Manual for Predicting and Identifying Terrorist Activities, is unique in that author Malcolm Nance is a 20-year veteran of the U.S. intelligence community and writes from a first hand-perspective, but with the organization and methodology of writers such as Pipes and Emerson. Those combined traits make the book extraordinarily valuable and perhaps the definitive text on terrorist recognition." Read below for the rest of Ben's review
Terrorist Recognition Handbook: A Practitioner's Manual for Predicting and Identifying Terrorist Activities, Second Edition
author Malcolm Nance
pages 480
publisher CRC
rating 10
reviewer Ben Rothke
ISBN 978-1420071832
summary Perhaps the definitive text on terrorist recognition.

The main theme of the book, as detailed in chapter 1 is critical awareness. The book notes that criminal investigators spend years studying criminal behavior to better understand and counter crime. Nance writes that the field of terrorism is no different as it is a specialized subject that requires serious study and requires that those in the front line of defense be as knowledge as possible.

In a later chapter, Nance gives the Iraq war as an example of a group of leaders that were not as knowledge as possible and ignored the advice of those that were as knowledge as possible. Had the Bush administration consulted Nance, a trillion dollars and thousands of lives could have been saved in the Iraq debacle.

The book is divided into 5 sections comprising 21 heavily-detailed chapters. Each chapter is a progression in detailing, understanding and identifying terrorists. In chapter after chapter, the book details every aspect of terrorism and indentifies all of the various elements. The various aspects of different guns, explosives, and other elements are described and categorized in detail.

In the section on suicide bombers, an important point the book makes is that contrary to popular belief, suicide bombers are rarely insane. They are most often intelligent, rational individuals with beliefs that those in the West finds difficult to comprehend. Nance does not for a second rationalize the actions of such groups and individuals. But notes that it is critical to understand why they do it in order to prevent future attacks.

Chapter 8 is quite valuable in that it provides a comprehensive overview of how terrorist cells operate and are organized. While the cell is the fundamental unit of a terrorist group; cell operations and their members are the least understood part of terrorism. Their operations are always secret and never seen, until they attack. The chapter details the many types of terrorist cells, operative membership pools, and how cells and leadership communicate.

Chapter 19 is a fascinating primer on al-Qaeda and the global extremist insurgency. The chapter details how al-Qaeda divides its enemies into two categories: Far Enemies and Near Enemies. The terms are taken from the Islamic concept of the community and those who oppose it. While the far enemies of al-Qaeda are the USA, Australia, UK, Europe and Israel, the near enemies are those Moslem's or nations that al-Qaeda sees as corrupted governments or apostate rules. These include the governments of over 20 countries including Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Bangladesh, India and many more comprising billions of people.

While the post-9/11 attacks from coalition forces have indeed hurt al-Qaeda and killed many of its top leaders, Nance notes that al-Qaeda now acts a terror strategy consultancy. This transformation of al-Qaeda is in response to the loss of its base of operations in Afghanistan and the displacement of its leadership to the Pakistani border. The most significant changes were a shift of operational responsibility from the regional terror commanders, who executed a long awaited plan for jihad operations, to a more radical and difficult to detect posture: jihadist who were self-starting and worked independently from al-Qaeda.

The most significant changes al-Qaeda's structure occurred when it was able to co-opt the Jordanian Salafist group Tawhed Wal Jihad and organize the foreign fighters into Iraq into al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI). AQI changed the structure of the military committee's roles dramatically and Iraq would become the cornerstone of al-Qaeda's global operations. Much of the invasion of Iraq was premised on a link between Iraq and al-Qaeda. There was never such a link, but the war turned into a self-fulfilling prophecy, as al-Qaeda is now a mainstay in Iraq.

The book writes that it is important to note that contrary to popular belief, al-Qaeda is not a single terrorist group, rather a collection of like-minded organizations that cooperate and receive funds, advice and orders from Osama bin Laden and his supporters. al-Qaeda has transformed itself from a physical chain of terrorist training camps to a virtual network that uses the Internet to create a network centric information and advisory body. Nance therefore notes that al-Qaeda has transformed itself from a global terrorism operation into a terrorism management consultancy. The 6 main aspects of this consultancy are that al-Qaeda: provides inspiration, contributes finances, shares collective knowledge, provides weapons resource and contacts, accepts responsibility and releases video propaganda.

Besides a few minor historical errors, some grammatical and punctuation mistakes, and not a lot of details about cyber-based terrorism, Terrorist Recognition Handbook: A Practitioner's Manual for Predicting and Identifying Terrorist Activities is a most important book in that it avoids all of the hype, politics and bias that come along with such titles, and simply focuses on its task at hand, to be a field guide for anti-terrorist and counter-terrorist professionals to use to prevent attacks.

Such a title is sorely needed by groups such as the TSA, who still think that anti-terrorism means having people remove their shoes at airports. The book notes that the European approach of guarded vigilance via a sustained level of anti-terrorism readiness and awareness is a much better concept than the US approach of spiking to heightened alert levels.

The Terrorist Recognition Handbook is a must-read for anyone tasked with or interested in anti-terrorism activities. One would hope that every TSA and Homeland Security manager and employee get a copy of this monumental reference. It would change the face of TSA and the Department of Homeland Security, and might perhaps really enable them to identify terrorists, and not simply require the elderly to take off their support shoes at airport checkpoints.

Ben Rothke is the author of Computer Security: 20 Things Every Employee Should Know.

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  • No book necessary (Score:5, Insightful)

    by dave562 ( 969951 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @02:45PM (#23327800) Journal
    I always thought that terrorists were anyone designated by the United States State Department, or Department of Fatherland Security as being opposed to US foreign policy.
  • Re:The Sad Part (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Talderas ( 1212466 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @02:50PM (#23327908)
    I don't think this book is designed to say "Look for these physical features to identify potential terrorists." That's basically the book for dummies that you need for TSA.

    Instead it appears that his book is more oriented towards explaining the workings of a terrorist organization. How they think, how they act, how they recruit, and what factors increase the chances of a terrorist act.
  • by vertinox ( 846076 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @02:54PM (#23327966)
    I'm sure if the TSA reads this it will be better for most people in general but it does not solve the core problem of terrorist. You catch or kill one and there is ten more to replace him.

    Its like the problem with Vietnam for the US and Afghanistan for the Soviet. Sometimes you cannot win by force. Either it has to come to understand, negotiation, or at least putting them at arms length such as building a massive security wall like Israel.

    Having military bases in these people's lands, other throwing legitimate governments for over 50 years, and backing unpopular dictators is what causes them to attack us. Not because we believe in freedom or a different religion. We stop messing with things over there and when we do that the common man who currently supports the terrorists and their Jihad will be more apathetic and the popular support base the terrorists enjoy now will go away.
  • by flaming error ( 1041742 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @02:54PM (#23327974) Journal

    Had the Bush administration consulted Nance, a trillion dollars and thousands of lives could have been saved in the Iraq debacle.
    That's a nice thought, but at the time Bush invaded Iraq, there was no evidence of any suicide-bomber/radical muslim sort of terrorist threat from Iraq. Everybody knew that.

    But now that Iraq is a terrorist training ground, it sounds like it'd be a good book for the Bush Administration to read. If only this were the kind of Administration that reads.
  • by alexgieg ( 948359 ) <alexgieg@gmail.com> on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @03:04PM (#23328064) Homepage

    The only thing that guy's an expert on is hating Arabs and Muslims. He's a radical, bigoted putz. Fuck him.
    No, he isn't. In all his articles he makes the distinction between Muslims proper and what he calls "Islamofascism", i.e., people who are de facto fascists (in the technical meaning of the word, not the liberal "swear word" version) and who use Islam as nothing more than an ideological wrapping for their (nonreligious) political goals.

    There are nuts out there that pretend both things to be the same, but Pipes surely isn't among them.
  • Re:That's easy (Score:2, Insightful)

    by dreamchaser ( 49529 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @03:08PM (#23328102) Homepage Journal
    I know you were joking, but comparing the likes of the RIAA to those who blow themselves up to kill innocent people in order to make a political statement is just as bad or worse than the RIAA saying that downloading is stealing. Both are unnecessary hyperbole that cheapens the real meanings of 'terrorism' and 'theft'.
  • by copponex ( 13876 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @03:09PM (#23328114) Homepage
    ...is that the TSA is 100% ineffective, because no government, regardless of how brutal they are to suspected terrorists, or how many secret police they employ, or how many phones they tap, can prevent one person from committing a terrorist act.

    The only thing the TSA does is reduce the likelihood such an attack will occur on a plane. It's a huge waste of money that's simply a security blanket for the uninformed.
  • by blueg3 ( 192743 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @03:15PM (#23328184)
    Arguments about the efficacy of the TSA aside, you seem to be confusing the inability to be 100% effective with being 100% ineffective. Reducing the likelihood of X happening is a nonzero effectiveness.

    People in security know full well that no method will guarantee 100% attack prevention. Reducing the likelihood and frequency of attacks is the goal.
  • Re:That's easy (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Bishop Rook ( 1281208 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @03:17PM (#23328212)
    I don't think grandparent was calling the RIAA terrorists, but rather was mocking a recent claim from the content-mongers that "piracy helps the terrorists."
  • by forgotten_my_nick ( 802929 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @03:27PM (#23328388)
    > core problem of terrorist. You catch or kill one and
    > there is ten more to replace him.

    While you are correct somewhat here your premise as how to combat it is flawed.

    When dealing with terrorism you need to determine why those ten would want to replace him. For example if you were fire a missile into a market during its busy hours to kill one terrorist and maim/kill many bystanders. Actions like that is what grows more terrorists.

    Even if you don't do this then the actions tend to be related to civil rights abuses. Terrorism is normally the weapon of the desperate against an opposing force. If they are on our side then we call them "freedom fighters".

    Ignoring the middle east the best example of this is Northern Ireland. Prior to the civil rights abuses in Northern Ireland the IRA didn't really have any real following. Sure you still get the gangsters and loons joining, but those who would normally define as rational/sane would of been in the minority if at all. It took actions from the British like Internment and Bloody Sunday to really get the ranks of the IRA up. That lead to 30 years of violence.

    Once civil rights abuses were addressed in Northern Ireland the violence and support went away. It is not gone. You will always have some level of people who will disagree with actions. But the point is to stop the recruits. That you can't fight with weapons.
  • by RoTNCoRE ( 744518 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @03:32PM (#23328450) Homepage
    This is the same Pipes who advocated oversight of left leaning academics in case they poison their fragile students after 9/11? People to advocate such things are the truest enemies of the state. I saw him speak at my school, and he had to be hustled out of the room by his hosts after failing to respond to valid criticism of his borderline racist/fascist agenda.
  • by TripMaster Monkey ( 862126 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @03:32PM (#23328460)
    I suspect the above poster, and the person he's quoting are not doctors.

    Um...I have never claimed to be...and to the best of my knowledge, neither has Cory Doctorow.

    Neither am I, for that matter...

    So...what was your point, then?

    but my wife went through several classes on statistics...

    You're kidding, right?

    their approach to statistics is not so simple as "accuracy" only. They have several different terms, all more or less seeming similar to the layman. I don't recall the words, but they more or less correlated to concepts such as:

    False positive rate.
    False negative rate.
    Overall rate of accurate test.


    Your objection does not invalidate the argument in my OP, it only strengthens it. The other concepts you listed do not mitigate the problem of false positives - on the contrary, they only exacerbate it.

    The argument in the OP assumed (for argument's sake) that while the false positive rate was 1%, the false negative rate was 0%. If you want to make the false negative rate a non-zero number, go ahead, but you'll quickly find that it makes the overall results even worse, not better.

    Using the correct, field-specific term may eliminate some of your objection.

    Actually, the terms are quite correct, and your argument only succeeds in raising additional objections.
  • by Jansingal ( 1098809 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @03:36PM (#23328514)
    I love gaffes! please point out all of them.

    in the spirit of the book review...

    4000+ dead
    over a trillion $ spent,
    all u got to say is about gaffes?
  • by alexgieg ( 948359 ) <alexgieg@gmail.com> on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @03:37PM (#23328524) Homepage
    It's been some time since I read Pipes and I didn't remember some details, so I must make some corrections to my above post.

    Actually, although Pipes recognizes pretty clearly the distinction between, on one side, the moderate religious Muslims, and on the other the radical authoritarian pseudo-religious political nuts we all despise, he doesn't like the term "Islamofascism", as what they pursue isn't a fascist regime proper.

    Basically, fascism was/is always nationalistic, and bound to the concept of a totalitarian central government ruling society. What these guys pursue, on the contrary, is a kind of stateless internationalistic decentralized totalitarianism. Thus, not quite the same thing. Both authoritarian, both totalitarian, but in very different ways.

    He has some suggestions for naming this thing, basically variations around the word "Islamist", "Militant Islam", "Militant Islamism" etc., but I don't think any of those sound right. "Islamofascism" might not be accurate, but I guess we'll have to stick to it for se simple lack of a better alternative.
  • by TripMaster Monkey ( 862126 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @03:57PM (#23328790)
    So it does not work perfectly, I believe your math.

    Actually, it's Cory's math, not mine.

    What should we do? Stick our heads in the sand and ignore the threat? Rationalize that you are more likely to die in a car accident, so take no action?

    I'm not advocating a course of action here...I'm merely pointing out that a "terrorist test" is doomed to failure.

    If the DHS is set up to fail, they appear to have not had any failures in the last few years. May not be perfect, but maybe it is working?

    Excellent point. On a related noted, I have a rock that repels tigers...perhaps you would be interested in purchasing it.

    Seriously, can you point out any successes? After all, if I put on a bulletproof vest, and spend the next few hours without someone shooting at me, that cannot be taken as proof that the vest can successfully stop bullets.
  • by DrZogg ( 579212 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @03:59PM (#23328840)

    He absolutely is a hack, and his primary agenda is disenfranchisement and marginalization of American Muslims. He thinks every mosque in the US is infiltrated with radicals and "Islamists" who want to overthrow our government. Doubtful Pipes has ever set foot in a mosque, though he's been invited.

    His idea of a moderate Muslim is someone who calls himself Muslim but doesn't practice Islam, e.g., people like Irshad Manji -- the heroine of the anti-Muslim bigots in our country. (sorry if you like her -- she has nothing to do with mainstream Islam in the US or anywhere else).

    Pipes is fine as long as the conversation is one-way with him spewing propaganda and fear-mongering -- challenge anything he says and he resorts to hostility (see other posts in this thread).

  • by Znork ( 31774 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @04:04PM (#23328894)
    You freely admit that they can reduce the likelihood of a terrorist attack

    The likelyhood of an attack on a plane. The TSA does, on the other hand, provide tempting targets in the form of people waiting in line for security checks.

    I, for one, actually believe a government can significantly reduce the likelihood of terrorist attacks.

    Yeah, well, the chance of getting killed in a terrorist attack in the US is actually lower than the chance of accidentally drowning in a bathtub, so one can question the merits of wasting any money on it at all.

    In fact, had islamic fundamentalists really wanted to efficiently kill or maim hundreds of thousands of Americans every year they'd be selling something that could power those mobile deathmachines called 'cars'. Oh, wait...
  • by 2short ( 466733 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @04:18PM (#23329094)
    "So it does not work perfectly, I believe your math. What should we do? Stick our heads in the sand and ignore the threat? Rationalize that you are more likely to die in a car accident, so take no action?"

    There are more options for what to do than "anything" and "nothing". We should do things that make sense, and that work. If someone points out that one thing we could do doesn't work, it does not make sense to say "Oh well, we gotta do something". We shouldn't do things that don't work, not even if we can't think of anything that does.

    "I think people that pay cash for a one-way airline ticket need extra scrutiny."

    How much extra scrutiny, at how much extra cost? It depends on how likely they are to be bad guys, doesn't it? People who buy one way tickets with cash are almost guaranteed to not be terrorists, because a lot of people do that every day for perfectly reasonable reasons, and there aren't very many terrorists. That's not even considering that actual terrorists can trivially adapt to your test and avoid scrutiny by not doing that. Spending any resources looking at last-minute one-way ticket buyers is a waste.

    "If the DHS is set up to fail, they appear to have not had any failures in the last few years. May not be perfect, but maybe it is working?"

    I wore my lucky red shirt to the doctors office again, and again I didn't have cancer...

    DHS/TSA, for all I know, may be doing various effective, but less visible things. The specific, visible task of identifying terrorists at airport security checkpoints is basically impossible.
  • by copponex ( 13876 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @04:24PM (#23329168) Homepage
    The TSA stands around, making sure the people in line aren't terrorists. Now, I'm no criminal mastermind, but given the security around most US airports, all it does it make the regular citizens feel warm and fuzzy about all the gadgets they have to walk through to get on their plane. A terrorist would make a few friends at the airport, lift a few IDs, and before you know it, he can walk around the tarmac for weeks on end without being bothered, and walk right past a security line with the flash of his counterfeit badge and a smile.

    Really effective security would be to bring every last troop home, and place them in every port and border crossing into the US. Even more effective than their inspections would be the fact that they aren't in foreign countries blowing stuff up. It's very difficult to recruit people to kill the infidel when he's across the ocean behind hundreds of thousands of highly trained Marines, minding his own business.

    Unfortunately this would require leaders in government (Republicans and Democrats) to do an about-face on how they deal with terrorism, and as anyone knows, getting a politician to admit a mistake is harder than getting one to tell the truth in the first place. But we're the ones to blame - when the greatest threat to our way of life, according to Sean Hannity, is that "we may be driving around in Yugos," you wonder if the society is worth saving in the first place.
  • Re:Huh? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Gordonjcp ( 186804 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @04:25PM (#23329192) Homepage
    No, they usually have Armalites and big fistfulls of US dollars. Thank you, the US Republicans, for continuing to support terrorist attacks on your allies.
  • by Jeremiah Cornelius ( 137 ) * on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @04:28PM (#23329240) Homepage Journal
    Anyone who thinks that Daniel Pipes is an "expert" on "terrorism" - or anything else, has had a neocon blowjob affect their brain function.

    He invented and promulgates the cognitive dissonance that is summarised by the phrase: "Islamofascism."

    He's a real Israeli, dual-loyalist and "newspeak" maker of the first (lowest) rank. Pipes was teh founder of The Middle East Forum - purportedly a 'think-tank', really a propaganda and media policing agent for radical Israeli military/political objectives.

    Among MEF's programs is Campus Watch, which tracks university professors who are perceived to be anti-Israel, anti-Semitic, pro-Palestinian, or pro-Islamist. Seen by many as an affront to academic freedom and an attempt to silence criticism of U.S. policies toward Israel and the Arab world, the program encourages students at colleges and universities to report any teachers who exhibit such behaviors in the classroom. One critic of Campus Watch, Joel Benin, a former professor of Middle East studies at Stanford University, said of the program: "Campus Watch ... compiles dossiers on professors and universities that do not meet its standard of uncritical support for the policies of George Bush and Ariel Sharon. ... The efforts to stifle public debate about U.S. Middle East policy and criticism of Israel are being promoted by a network of neoconservative true believers with strong links to the Israeli far right. They are enthusiastic supporters of the Bush administration's hands off approach to Ariel Sharon's suppression of the Palestinian uprising. And they are aggressive proponents of a preemptive U.S. strike against Iraq."
    --Joel Benin, "The Israelization of American Middle East Policy Discourse," Department of History, Stanford University


    Who's next on teh /. front page? Ann Coulter?
  • by TrekkieGod ( 627867 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @04:29PM (#23329254) Homepage Journal

    So it does not work perfectly, I believe your math. What should we do? Stick our heads in the sand and ignore the threat? Rationalize that you are more likely to die in a car accident, so take no action?

    That's not 'rationalizing.' That's proper allocation of resources. I could spend a really long time optimizing code that access data in memory and get it to be a few milliseconds faster, but if most of the time spent in the code is writing to disk, then I would be an idiot to not work on optimizing that aspect of the program instead.

    I think people that pay cash for a one-way airline ticket need extra scrutiny.

    I think people that move money around internationally through sketchy banks need some examination.

    I'm not willing to jeopardize the freedoms and the privacy of thousands of innocent people to catch one or two criminals. The cure you're proposing is worse than the disease.

    If you can identify who is paying for one-way airline tickets and a way of knowing who is paying cash for their tickets, or knowing where I'm moving my money to, then that's already an unacceptable intrusion into my life. That's before the "extra scrutiny" you think I deserve if I did any of those things. You should have to acquire some reason to suspect me of any wrongdoing and then go to a court and get a warrant in order to find out where I'm traveling to, and where I'm sending my money to.

    I think people with terrorist ties need some looking at.

    If the government has enough reason to suspect that anyone has terrorist ties, they should have no problem getting warrants and requesting information from banks and airlines as to where these people are going and where they're sending they're money. They can also get a legal wiretap. But they need to have that terrorist connection suspicion first, and then they need to get individual warrants.

  • by DesScorp ( 410532 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @04:37PM (#23329352) Journal
    "His father was one of the main hawks against Stalinist Eastern Block style Communism during the 60's."

    And this was a bad thing because... ?
  • by TripMaster Monkey ( 862126 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @04:42PM (#23329426)
    [dhs.gov]

    You're joking, right? The only references on that page I saw pertaining to foiled terrorist attacks were the case of the "binary explosives" plot and the case of the Fort Dix Six. Regarding the former, it has already been debunked so many times that I'm surprised the DHS hasn't removed the reference from sheer shame. In the case of the latter, six guys who plotted to take on a military base with a couple of firearms, and were caught because they took their jihad training video to Circuit City to burn to DVD? Seriously? We're supposed to buy this?

    Every single "terrorist threat" since 9/11 (which is itself suspect) has been either a ridiculous exaggeration, an entrapment scheme, or an outright hoax.

    If you live in a war zone, I would keep my bulletproof vest on. Just because you did not get shot at today does not mean you are safe for tomorrow.

    1) I don't live in a war zone. Neither do you.
    2) You missed my point most spectacularly. Until a real bullet hits that vest, there is no proof that it can deflect bullets.
  • by Lurker2288 ( 995635 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @04:42PM (#23329436)
    Of course, the difference between a 'terrorist test' (presumably some sort of deep data mining across a variety of databases) and the kind of disease test Doctorow uses for an example is that repeating the terrorist test is unlikely to produce greater accuracy. Let's say you have some combination of factors that, according to the algorithm, makes you a suspect. Running the same search again will uncover the same factors and produce no improvement in your estimation, hence the need for the complementary inspection you mention. But what would that mean for the terrorist test? Probably more invasive investigation, which, apart from the obvious civil liberties issue, means more time, money, and manpower that has to be spent. So when your first screen does a poor job of identifying suspects, you have to spend a fortune disqualifying the false positives in order to root out the true positives. So it isn't really a logic problem when considered in the applicable context.
  • Re:Review nitpick (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Duradin ( 1261418 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @04:59PM (#23329648)
    So it's like freedom fries then.
  • by dave562 ( 969951 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @05:04PM (#23329716) Journal
    I was going for Funny but Insightful is what I got. There is obviously enough truth in there to resonate with moderators. Thanks for calling me a petulant child. That's great. Congratulations. Do you feel more comfortable now that you've fed your ego and demeaned me? You should consider going to work for the Pentagon. I hear that they are putting a big emphasis on communications these days.

    As a counterpoint to your statement about very few governmental agencies being considered sponsors of terrorism, consider the number of people on government maintained no fly lists. You don't necessarily have to be a member of a foreign government to be opposed to US foreign policy and because of that opposition to be considered a threat.

  • Re:Daniel Pipes? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by DesScorp ( 410532 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @05:12PM (#23329842) Journal
    "All immigrants bring exotic customs and attitudes, but Muslim customs are more troublesome than most.""

    And where was he wrong on this?

    Multiple Wives

    Female Circumcision

    A culture of allowing slavery of non-Abrahmic peoples

    And of course, the big one, Sharia.

    So tell me how many of those things you'd tolerate a western country allowing? Fess up and be honest.

    I'd guess you're pretty big on the concept of separation of Church and State, correct? Then why are you giving Islam a pass when that faith explicitly denies any such separation? In the Koran, there's no difference between political and religious leadership. They're one in the same, for the whole body, the Umah. Sharia is both a religious and a civil law.

    And suppose you say "but Muslim immigrants will westernize"... and many new immigrants do. But the biggest rise in fundamentalism is among the western born children of those Muslim immigrants. The London bombings were carried out by young men born in Britain, well educated, with all of the advantages that citizenship and life in Britain could provide them. Many of them had parents that set up happy lives and successful businesses here.

    And yet they chose Jihad and Sharia in their Mosques. They chose to bring the sword of Islam to the people of London. So please don't make the tired old argument that Islamic terrorism is mainly about poverty or secular politics. Islamic terrorism is mainly about religious ideas, and in short, mainly about Islam, or at least their idea of what pure Islam really is.

    So... why is Pipes, or anyone else for that matter, guilty of racism or one of your other isms for pointing out that there are major, and in some cases, irreconcilable differences between us? After all, something has to give. Either we have to accept things like Sharia, or Muslim immigrants have to give it up. Why is it wrong to point that out?
  • Re:zeitgeist? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by mr_mischief ( 456295 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @05:19PM (#23329962) Journal
    That the treatment at Abu Graib was newsworthy shows that you're babbling nonsense. If the US military was at all like al Qaeda or like Saddam Hussein, then it would have been expected.

    All of you other countries lost the right to have the US stay out of world affairs. The US tried to avoid both world wars, and was brought in by plots of other nations. Now, the US is going to have its hands in whatever it can reach. We get attacked when we leave the rest of you alone, and we get attacked when we don't. We might as well sway some things in our favor, then.

    Before you start mouthing off about human rights abuses and "terrorist acts" by the US, you should look up some other countries. I suggest you start with China, Myanmar, Iraq, Somalia, Serbia, Mexico [amnesty.org] , Brazil [amnesty.org], Colombia [amnesty.org], and Peru [ipsnews.net].
  • Re:Review nitpick (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Duradin ( 1261418 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @05:36PM (#23330210)
    Wasn't the point of calling french fries "freedom fries" to keep Joe Sixpack from empathizing and humanizing the French when they decided to not back the invasion?

    Suicide describes what type of bomber. Bomber means someone who kills with explosives. I don't really see how changing suicide to homicide makes it any "worse".

    Anyways, any media that would call them "homicide bombers" aren't the ones that will be followed by the group that produces the suicide bombers.

    It's just emotional gut-thinking that just makes you feel better.

    What term do you use to describe the kamikaze of WW2? Divine Wind is a pretty romantic term, especially when you consider the first Kamikaze and what it meant for Japan. Are they homikaze? Last-ditch-act-of-desperation-due-to-lack-of-resources-including-veteran-pilots-kaze?

    I can look at the term "suicide bomber" and not think: oh, the poor lad went so emo, the only way for him to describe his anguish to another was with the destructive blast and shrapnel of an explosives vest, I really should feel sorry for him and subscribe to his newsletter. All this bellyfeel claptrap will be the end of western civilization, not some schmuck wearing a few pounds of C-4.
  • Re:The Sad Part (Score:3, Insightful)

    by lgw ( 121541 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @05:36PM (#23330218) Journal
    The TSA is a government agency searching people without any specific evidence that any specifc person has committed any specific crime. Not searching "upon oath or affirmation," not searching upon "probable cause," just searching everyone. How could you be more blatently in violation of the 4th amendment? I realize we as a nation don't care much about that amendment since we discarded it for DWI checkpoints, but this is particularly abusive.
  • by mr_mischief ( 456295 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @05:40PM (#23330266) Journal
    Fighting against uniformed forces using asymmetrical tactics because you're a smaller force facing a larger force is one thing. Attacking civilians with no warning to get on CNN and have your demands heard is another. There is a proper use for the term "terrorist", but it's being used more broadly than it should be.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @05:56PM (#23330476)
    I'm not sure what your point is. If you're saying it's understandable that there'll be insurgents where there are occupiers, you're right. If you're saying there's no terrorism happening in Iraq, you're wrong.

    > insurgents use the same methods, but it's not terrorism
    How do you define terrorism? I think the general idea is to shock a population by committing spectacularly violent attacks against its civilians. Whether the attacker is from Belfast, Bethlehem or Baghdad, terrorism is about killing non-combatants.

    > The insurgency in Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism
    If they're not targeting civilians I don't call them terrorists. But in the intertwining subplots of this bloodbath, we also have a Sunni vs Shi'a civil war, Kurdish aggression against Turks, a group that calls itself "Al Qaeda in Iraq", and lots of goons and freelancers who probably aren't quite sure what they want.

    And we have tens of thousands of dead civilians.

  • by Bonobo_Unknown ( 925651 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @08:59PM (#23332216)

    "So it does not work perfectly, I believe your math. What should we do? Stick our heads in the sand and ignore the threat? Rationalize that you are more likely to die in a car accident, so take no action?"

    You will save more lives if you spend the money on preventing car accidents than spending on anti terrorism. I assume the aim of the game is to save lives?
    It should all be about bang for your buck. You can only do so much, so do the most effective.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @09:19PM (#23332390)

    Who's next on teh /. front page? Ann Coulter?
    No, apparently antisemitic/racist accusations of dual loyalty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_loyalty [wikipedia.org], also see blood libelhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel_against_Jews [wikipedia.org]) are apparently good enough. Tell me, Mr Goebbels, do you believe in the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion too???
  • moderator abuse (Score:3, Insightful)

    by gobbo ( 567674 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @11:25PM (#23333282) Journal
    The parent post is not flamebait. While it's debatable that Pipes actually has fascist views, there is enough evidence to have the debate. The rest of the post is simply based on well-documented behaviour and statements.
  • by gobbo ( 567674 ) on Wednesday May 07, 2008 @11:36PM (#23333352) Journal

    Really effective security would be to bring every last troop home, and place them in every port and border crossing into the US.
    You do realize that the American taxpayer funds over 700 (seven-frakking-hundred, yes) military bases on foreign soil? And that Al Qaeda was initially pissed about the bases in Saudi territory, so it could be said that the global occupation under way is the catalyst for said terrorism? You want the USA to shut all those down?

    Call me when this revolution of yours starts, I want to post it on youtube.

    But seriously, I wonder at the loud scoffing denials heard from most people at the mention of an "american empire"--and then I remember that very few know that the USA occupies portions (large and small) of over 100 different nations. By invitation, of course!
  • by jandersen ( 462034 ) on Thursday May 08, 2008 @02:07AM (#23334302)
    By the look of it this book doesn't really address the fundamental issues underlying terrorism. I realise that this is outside the scope of the book and that it would be controversial, to put it mildly, in the US; but sooner or later we are going to have to tackle the issue of 'why'. We have at least since 9/11 had our heads stuck firmly in the sand, with fantasies about how terrorists are completely different from us, how they are 'evil', 'envious of our freedom' or at least 'insane' - this book goes some way to puncture that myth, at least.

    The truth is, we are not going to win any war against terrorism - it's like the 'Gumby Brain Surgery'(ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gumbys [wikipedia.org]). We have to understand why something so utterly irrational as terrorism can not only exist, but spread rapidly; really, I would have thought that much was obvious. The good news is that it isn't impossible; as the book suggests, these people are rational, often intelligent, and if they can arrive at the conclusion that they have to go and blow themselves and other people up, then we can follow their logic. I should think that there is a good chance that we will discover one or two points that we can address intelligently, thus breaking the rationale of their reasoning. This is all about popular support - the terrorists have popular support because they can argue strongly for their goals; we can make their arguments weak if we know what we are doing, and once they lose popular support, they will soon cease to be a threat.
  • by dreamsinter ( 451159 ) on Thursday May 08, 2008 @04:21AM (#23334842) Homepage
    And by that I mean, these times are not the only ones to have faced the "threat" of "terrorism".

    Can we classify the various Haiti independence movements during the 1700s as terrorists? Do we?

    Would similar procedures apply to Tsarist Russia? When Tsar Alexander II had been killed in a bomb blast in Nevsky Prospekt on March the third, 1881?

    In post-Krakatau-eruption Dutch East Indies? When there where a significant number of disaffected Javanese?

    What about the Moro resistance to the US annexation of Mindanao? The Cebuan resistance to the US annexation of Cebu?

    In the south of China around the time of the Long March?

    During the Mau-Mau in Kenya?

    You see, as they say, "One man's terrorist is another man's guerilla/Freedom Fighter/useful idiot/Republican senator/US President" etc, ad nauseam ... and I doubt seriously that that book pays any attention to such obviously unimportant matters.

    At various times, apparently terrorists were obviously Jews and homosexuals and Catholics and Protestants and Poles and Marxists and voodun priests and ... and ... and ... and now they're Muslims and copyright infringers and Free-and-Open-Source-Software distributors and peer-to-peer networks users and ....

    We have some downright brilliant people in power, and they won't stop until everybody's been fucked up the arse with curare-tipped depleted uranium-covered thermonuclear fenceposts - themselves excluded, naturally.
  • by TripMaster Monkey ( 862126 ) on Thursday May 08, 2008 @07:34AM (#23335594)
    Oh, I see.

    This administration has lied through their collective teeth to us about everything else...but when it comes to the events surrounding 9/11, the administration's Official Version of Events is sacrosanct.

    Not all advocates of 9/11 truth are raving loons that maintain that there were no planes and that space beams destroyed the Towers...although this administration would very much like you to believe that that is the case.
  • by d3ac0n ( 715594 ) on Thursday May 08, 2008 @10:14AM (#23337068)

    But seriously, I wonder at the loud scoffing denials heard from most people at the mention of an "american empire"--and then I remember that very few know that the USA occupies portions (large and small) of over 100 different nations. By invitation, of course!


    Umm.. Yes. By invitation. With the possible exception of the two bases in Okinawa, Japan and Ramstein, Germany. These two bases were granted to us as part of the surrender treaties from both countries at the end of WW2. However, I can assure you that if either Germany or Japan were to ask us to leave, we would. Leaving behind the multi-million dollar military bases that we set up there, taking only the movable equipment.

    How do I know this would happen? Because it's happened MULTIPLE TIMES in the past. Indeed, just in the past year in Iraq alone the US military has turned over no less than 13 military bases to the fledgling Iraqi army. Here [wikipedia.org] is an incomplete list of JUST Air Force bases closed worldwide. Discounting the ones in the United States (Which, admittedly, make up the majority of the list), there are at least 25 bases that have been closed worldwide, with most of them turned over in whole to the host country.

    Of course, Those that say we are "Imperialists" also discount the BILLIONS annually that the United States government pumps into the economies of foreign countries through aid, grants, and (of course) RENT AND TAXES for the land the military bases are on. Yep, that's right. We PAY RENT AND TAXES to the host countries for that land. Not exactly the behavior of an Imperialist country, wouldn't you say? Indeed , an "Empire" is defined as a nation state that has political control over other nation states, and uses that political control to extract the wealth and resources from the subjugated country . How the hell does paying THEM money and giving THEM resources make the U.S. an "Empire"?

    It doesn't. Indeed, the whole Imperialism argument is nothing more than intellectual dishonesty and mental masturbation by those that have their hate on for America. Get the facts straight bub. No Imperialism here.
  • by g8oz ( 144003 ) on Thursday May 08, 2008 @11:47AM (#23338456)
    Wrong. The U.S extracts wealth from its victims through forcing regulatory regimes that favor American interests. They've done it for decades behind the facade of the international institutions like the IMF and the World Bank.

    More currently, the proposed "Iraqi" oil law is a 100% American creation that tilts the playing field in the favor of Exxon et al.

    Oh and the so called "aid" money is usually nothing more than subsidies for well-connected American businesses. They'll announce a few billion in aid to country X. That money goes straight to favored American compainies for over inflated goods and services that country X often doesn't even need.

    American imperialism is a fact. Paying rent for bases doesn't change anything. Its a token gesture that you've seized on. Its sad though that nothing makes Americans more rabid than being reminded of their sins.

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