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The One-Use, Self-Destructing DVD Returns 561

BonrHanzon writes "Looks like DivX (the stupid one, not the codec) has been resurrected in the form of Flexplay. Staples will be selling these movie disks for 5 bucks a pop at the checkout counter. The disks can be played in any DVD player, but a special adhesive will render the disk unplayable 48 hours after the package has been opened. As if our landfills weren't already overflowing with enough crap." The blog post notes that Flexplay has actually been around for 5 years; the Staples distribution deal is what's new.
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The One-Use, Self-Destructing DVD Returns

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 04, 2008 @04:06AM (#23648553)
    why pay $5? You can get $1/day rentals from booths are many places, including Mc Donalds.

    So if the discs last 48 hours I could go rent it for 2 days and save myself $3, PLUS avoid generating pointless trash in the process!
  • by pubjames ( 468013 ) on Wednesday June 04, 2008 @04:08AM (#23648561)
    This is interesting from a legal perspective. Would copying one of these be legal for the home user for home use? You have paid for it, after all.

    Are any of the many lawyers that read Slashdot able to shed a light on this?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 04, 2008 @04:12AM (#23648585)
    You can even get a free mailing label and ship them to flexplay for recycling.

    Which would waste the disc plus the oil to transport it.
  • by Moraelin ( 679338 ) on Wednesday June 04, 2008 @04:12AM (#23648587) Journal

    1. Buy cheaper disposable movie.
    2. Rip it to harddrive.
    3. Dispose of movie.
    4. ???????
    5. PROFIT!


    Well, how's that different from...

    1. Rent movie.
    2. Rip it to harddrive.
    3. Return it.
    4. ???????
    5. PROFIT!

    Effectively, this is just a simpler way of renting movies. In fact, so simple that any regular store can get into that business. They don't need to keep track of who rented what, who's overdue, find and replace scratched movies, etc. It just lets them use their normal logistics, which they have in place and are already in place. And it makes it a lot simpler to "rent" them by mail over the internet too.

    It also makes life simpler for people like me, who live half a city away from the nearest movie rental shop. It's more convenient to chuck it into the bin, than have to make a second trip to give it back. In fact, it would save me a lot more trips, since now I'd be able to just go there once and buy a small stack of disposables, and watch them whenever I have time. (The clock starts ticking when you opened it, not when you "rented" it.) No more "omg, I got the whole LOTR trilogy, so it's time to drop everything else and stay awake until 1AM to watch it all. Or just order a small stack of them by mail.

    Of course, it has the same caveats as rentals. Including that if someone wants to rip it, they can. It's not a new problem, though. And I'll venture a wild guess that if it wasn't the end of the world or of the movie business before, the new version can't be that much more destructive ;)
  • by Technician ( 215283 ) on Wednesday June 04, 2008 @04:24AM (#23648637)
    The blog post notes that Flexplay has actually been around for 5 years; the Staples distribution deal is what's new.

    The only place I've ever seen one of the self destruct discs has been in a truck stop. These have not been sold to geeks to rip. They are sold to convience those on the road without alternative diversions such as high speed internet and blockbuster. No returns on the road is the selling point. How they intend to sell the overpriced product in Staples is a mystery to me. They don't compete with the $5 bin at Wal*Mart.
  • by stoofa ( 524247 ) on Wednesday June 04, 2008 @04:25AM (#23648639)
    I have scoured around TFA but can't find much detail on the actual chemical process. Now, I know it's probably all internal and doesn't involve copious amounts of actual liquid adhesive.

    But still, would you want to the first person to discover you have left one of these in your player and it just happens to be a rogue one in the batch that has written off your player.

    As someone else has said, renting the film for a week is cheaper and buying them new isn't loads more anyway.

    The only place I can see these having any place in the market is for the Mission Impossible box set.
  • The entertainment ESPECIALLY the movie industry is out of touch with their base. While I think the TV and RIAA are idiot and are extremely out of touch with their base. At least the RIAA has come up with some half decent solutions (although stupid) like amazon mp3, rapshody/napster (unlimited), audible, etc. Although I think they are all stupid due to DRM and i dont use them anyways but at least are heading towards the digital age (not forcing people to use CDs).

    At the same time I think the TV industry is making strides. NBC put full episodes on the net (althouth the player was shit) and now they partnered FOX to make hulu which isn't half bad. Heck for all the work it takes to download a movie off BT

    -Find the torrent (its hard to find tvshows compared to movies)
    -Download the torrent (ahhhr may take a a few hours)
    -Get past ur shitty ISP (shitty ISPs: its comcastic!)
    -Than finally watch the video and than delete it

    I'll gladly watch a sheer minute of ads in a site which has a better player than youtube. You can resize the player an it will start where you left off. Also there is no annoying parts and you can even preload your shows in advance.

    All the industries are doing SOMETHING and even the tv industry is excepting people just aren't willing pay as much for content. Obviously they are making a lot less money money off hulu (1 minute of ads vs 9 minutes) but they figure that it's more money they'de be making than if people downloaded their shows. THEY ARE ADAPTING!!!

    The movie industry wants it to the stay the same as when i was buying topgun in laserdisk.

    They still consider it illegal (according to the DUMB F*** DMCA) just to put a movie on your IPOD or PC (and I'm talking a DVD that you own). There is no movies on itunes but their is a ton of ad free shows that you can do pretty much anything with (of course there is still DRM but its not as big of a deal for a show their is only so many places you use a video for :P).

    DAMNIT MPAA learn something. What you guys should be doing if you weren't still living in the glorious 80s where your focus was guys on the side of the street. What you should do is negotiate with every ISP and have ISP hosted downloadable moviees for dirt cheap (like 2 or 3 bucks) that you can do whatever you want to. Or watch on your TV (um comcast/time warner/Adelphia/Advanced Cable)

    DRM is stupid....people will just bypass your DRM and go straight to the net.

    If you do ISP hosted downloads
    -it'll be super cheap because you're not using any physical bandwidth (probably like a cent or two a movie)
    -No shipping or any crap
    -Compares in convenience considering how hard it is to download movies.
    -Can offer Blue-ray quality videos for dirt cheap (considering that it costs a lot of money to burn blueray) and people could play bluerays on their PS3 (well Sony will be for anything to further their standard considering the PS3 was for the sole objective of pushing blueray).

    And i don't want to get to the RIAA. Its almost 5 am and btw im finished itll be 12.

    They are also living in the past because of how incredibly easy is to download thousands of songs in a couple hours.

    An jeeze ADAPT!!!! Think of new solutions. Jesus if the most protective industry could get over their retardation anyone can.

    I think what they need is a guy to tell them that they need this and execute it for them in a decent way (because they won't). Like NBC/FOX would never have made this on thier own it's a good thing these guys from outside the industry did it for them. Andthey only used like 10 million which isn't bad considering the scope of the project such as servers, software R&D (since the damn thing is better than youtube), converting the movies (they are pretty awesome quality and load really fast must be some sweet compression), and such. /end rant

    *ps: I NEED TO QUIT CAFFIENE
  • Re:Why? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Technician ( 215283 ) on Wednesday June 04, 2008 @05:03AM (#23648841)
    Why would anyone do this when you can usually rent it for a week cheaper?

    If you long haul truck, in a week, you may be over 800 miles from the rental store. The only place I have ever seen a Flexplay disc is at a truck stop. Staples is a new one... I wonder who their target demographic is.

    Staples and those far from home doesn't make sense except for business travelers, then I would expect them in airports instead of Staples office supply stores.
  • by YeeHaW_Jelte ( 451855 ) on Wednesday June 04, 2008 @05:04AM (#23648843) Homepage
    It isn't. Generally, disposable goods are less enviromentally friendly than more durable goods. However, this depends on the cost of production ( in terms of energy, resources ) of the disposable vs. the durable and the number of times the durable item can be reused.

    E.g. plastic cups can be more eco friendly compared to traditional ceramic cups due to the large amounts of energy needed to create the ceramics and the energy and chemicals needed to clean the cup. It all depends on the number of times the ceramic cup is reused.

    Moreover, downloading films might not even be more enviromentally friendly than buying these things ... don't forget, all those data-centers and your own computer are using loads of electricity ...

    Thing is, the most eco friendly option is not always what people would guess ... sometimes it's quite counter intuitive.
  • by jafo ( 11982 ) on Wednesday June 04, 2008 @05:09AM (#23648861) Homepage
    Ok, so I admit that my Roku box just arrived today, but it's just awesome. $9/month for the unlimited Internet watching. And then don't have to push around a bunch of plastic discs, keep discs in stock in case people want to watch them.

    Netflix is positioned to become the next "cable company" without having to lay all this cable. You can pick what you want, when you want it, pause it, skip around, and given 15 seconds or so it will spool up the data and play a perfectly reasonable picture. And with no commercials...

    I haven't had cable TV at home for the last decade, because it doesn't provide what I wanted. All I wanted recently was Heroes and Battlestar, but to get those two I had to buy 40 channels of other crap, including commercials.

    Or I could just wait for it to come out on DVD. Or lately a bunch of us have been gathering at a friends place for it.

    The installed base of DVD players is huge, but Netflix will already bring you the plastic disc, to your home, so it's only missing the ability to have an impulse buy the plastic disc.

    For the $100 box, you have the ability to get what you want without having to wait for the disc to arrive, don't have to return it, and can watch all you can stand.

    Netflix is poised to eat a lot of other folks lunch.

    Sean
  • by jamesh ( 87723 ) on Wednesday June 04, 2008 @05:17AM (#23648893)

    just because something is recyclable does not mean there are no energy costs to recycle.

    Along the same lines, there are plastics that are manufactured from otherwise-unused byproducts of petroleum production, so often you have to create more pollution to recycle than you would to just make new ones. Maybe burying them would be a better option? At least you are then taking at least some carbon out of the loop.

    I think someone has put forward the case that it is more environmentally sound to bury paper in the ground and plant more trees to make paper from than it is to recycle paper into new paper products. Again, that way you are effectively removing CO2 from the air and putting it underground.
  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Wednesday June 04, 2008 @05:55AM (#23649047)
    No. But I do. And personally I take my interests in higher esteem than that of my country.

    What? If it's good for our politicians who are working for the country, it's good for me who isn't.
  • by Mick Malkemus ( 1281196 ) on Wednesday June 04, 2008 @06:07AM (#23649095)
    I agree, with reservation. I love going the big screen, and paying real money for a movie isn't a barrier for me. Some movies must be enjoyed on the big screen to get the full effect. DVD's at home? I never took up the practice, and NEVER will. Now the proliferation of rude cell phone users has made it impossible to actually enjoy a movie these days. The last movie I went to, seven people used their mobiles, several of them multiple times. Well, now I am FORCED to download movies illegally, and will continue to do so until Hollywood gets their act together. It was bad enough when I only had to listen to loud candy wrappers and popcorn chewers. Mobile phones in theaters have broken this camel's back. Movies are getting too expensive to listen to imbeciles in the audience talking their life story to some sad suck that is willing to listen. DO YOU HEAR THIS HOLLYWOOD??? FIX IT!!! I want to return to the cinema someday soon. Cell phone users are STEALING money from you. You MUST make the movie going experience wonderful, or suffer accordingly. Metallic paint of the walls can jam cell phones... DO IT!
  • by patio11 ( 857072 ) on Wednesday June 04, 2008 @06:10AM (#23649105)
    It means that I never have to go back to the video store. That is worth a 4x price premium for me. (Oh noes, my entertainment costs increased for $.50 to $2 an hour... oh, phew, not a starving college kid anymore so that difference is no longer supremely important to me.)

    It means I never have to worry about forgetting to go back to the video store (I let two months worth of rental time rot because I just got busy and forgot about movies for a while -- the rental *store* would have charged me boku bucks and sent nastygrams to get their property back, the rental *service* put a little sticker on my database record saying We Love You Man Feel Free To Keep Paying $20 A Month As Long As You Want).

    It means I never have to worry about finding time to go to the video store on a day where I just don't have the freaking time. (See point #2.) Sometimes life gets busy and when life gets busy "Drats, I need to return these DVDs" is not a worry I want to have.

    (My $20 a month plan is for the Japanese equivalent of Netflix -- 2 DVDs at a time, capped at 8 cycles a month. I rarely use anything close to my allotment. I prefer (legal) downloads to renting, honestly, but much of what I want to see is not available in that format.)
  • Re:Forbidden by law (Score:2, Interesting)

    by yada21 ( 1042762 ) on Wednesday June 04, 2008 @07:04AM (#23649417)
    Your probably missing the fact that 1 dvd watched 200 times isn't equal to 200 dvd's watched 1 time each.
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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday June 04, 2008 @07:27AM (#23649573)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by TaoPhoenix ( 980487 ) * <TaoPhoenix@yahoo.com> on Wednesday June 04, 2008 @07:33AM (#23649629) Journal

    Since you already have rights to the work's initial medium, does this mean than hacks are not violations of DMCA?

    They provided technology for the ORIGINAL disk to self-destruct. You are not breaking tech to make copies, you are *preventing breakage*.

  • Re:DIVX vs DivX (Score:3, Interesting)

    by robogun ( 466062 ) on Wednesday June 04, 2008 @10:04AM (#23651577)
    I'm sick of hearing this shit. DiVX asked for this confusion when they decided to name their company knowing full well the failed DVD system used the same name. Newsflash: IT IS THE SAME NAME!

    Of course if capitalization mattered when registering domains, it opens up a lot of possibilities:

    Divx.com DIvx.com DIVx.com [taken]
    [taken] dIvx.com dIVx.com dIVX.com
    divX.com DivX.com DIvX.com divX.com
  • by Blkdeath ( 530393 ) on Wednesday June 04, 2008 @02:02PM (#23655983) Homepage

    I'm not too good at math, so help me out: How many times does this have to happen before your home theater (including original purchase, time/money for installation and periodic setup, wear and tear, preventative maintenance, taxes, loss of use of part of your house, and popcorn) begins to pay for itself?

    I know this is the popular rhetoric around these parts but I still don't comprehend it. Here we have a self proclaimed geek forum; a hangout for people who routinely spend weeks' and months' pay cheques on new computer and other electronic equipment but who can't see the beauty of a home theatre setup?

    A few points to clarify why I wanted a home theatre for myself;

    • The only people in the room are there by my choice. Cell phone etiquette, crying babies, talking during the movies is all under my control.
    • There are no sticky floors, stained seats, spilled snacks, or in the extreme case fecal coliform bacteria to worry about.
    • I can pause, rewind, stop/resume the movie at any time for any reason.
    • I control the volume, effects and lighting.
    • I can have as few or as many friends, relatives or acquaintances over to enjoy the viewing as I please and the cost is not adversely affected.
    • When these people come over, it's common practise (tradition) to bring something along. Be it a case of beer, bottle of alcohol, light snacks or even a full dish of food for a proper meal.
    • Related to the above; we can choose what to eat and drink and when to do so. If we want to eat a proper sit-down meal before or after the movie it's at our leisure. If we then want to snack and drink alcohol or even tapwater during the performance all the better - it's our choice, it's quality food of our choosing and it doesn't come at an egregious cost.
    • With gas prices on the rise and continuing to do so it's not economically reasonable to drive a group, usually in multiple vehicles, to a restaurant, then to the theatre, then out for after-show entertainment then home again.
    • Furthermore, if we do consume too much alcohol during the evening we don't have to shell out and wait for a ride home. There are always sofas, pull out couches and spare bedrooms in which people can sleep it off.
    • When I'm not entertaining or watching movies, I can use my rig to better enjoy plain 'ol television. Say what you will about it, but there are a few shows I enjoy (I won't get into a qualitative discourse), there's also news and weather. In short, everything looks and sounds better on my rig.
    • I have a gaming system connected to my home theatre which brings the games to life and really enriches the experience.
    • When I'm not watching broadcast entertainment or playing games I have my computer connected to my system. Audio traverses to my dolby receiver digitally and my desktop measures 60" diagonally. You have no idea how nice it is to sit on a reclining sofa with a wireless keyboard and mouse and do ... whatever. Banking, bill payments, web surfing, e-mail, etc.
    • As a plus to the above, any movies / television shows that I've missed and subsequently downloaded can be played directly to my theatre system.

    There are definitely some cost savings benefits to the home theatre, but that's not the only benefit.

    As to the costs associated; I choose what to buy (component wise) and when to buy it. Usually I'll find a piece or set of equipment I want then wait for a sale. I also make what I believe to be rational purchases; for example, I want a PlayStation 3 which will double as a high definition Blu Ray player, it'll play regular DVDs as well as take over as the home network media centre.

    If done correctly you don't have to pay an arm and a leg to get a very good theatre setup and with 0% finance options at the big box stores you can leave your money in the bank earning interest while you pay small instalments. When you factor the cost of an evening's entertainment even for as few as t

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