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Online Colleges Could Spy On Students – By Law 307

skeazer writes "Tucked away in a 1,200-page bill now in Congress is a small paragraph that could lead distance-education institutions to require spy cameras in their students' homes. It sounds Orwellian, but the paragraph — part of legislation renewing the Higher Education Act — is all but assured of becoming law by the fall. No one in Congress objects to it."
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Online Colleges Could Spy On Students – By Law

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:17PM (#24322507)

    Will they watch that too?

    • by Steauengeglase ( 512315 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:21PM (#24322581)

      Yes, you can either buy back the footage for a minimal cost or cease activity when watched by administrators.

      In all seriousness, isn't this why we have proctors, so that someone can watch you while you perform tasks required for your grade?

      • by ad0n ( 1171681 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:27PM (#24322699)

        In all seriousness, isn't this why we have proctors, so that someone can watch you while you perform tasks required for your grade?

        Simple answer: cost. I work at a community college, and although we do have an academic testing centre -- the priority is to provide an alternate testing environment for students with disabilities. The secondary priority is students who miss tests for legitimate reasons (medical, weather, etc.).

        There simply isn't capacity to allow every student in every online course to come onto campus to complete their assessments. It isn't built into the costing/tuition.

        • by AllIGotWasThisNick ( 1309495 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:35PM (#24322897)

          That's why students need to pay for their own proctoring. They already pay for textbooks, transportation, internet, etc. This is just something else to be not subsidized.

          Disclaimer: I no longer work in Distance Ed.

          • by Octorian ( 14086 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @03:53PM (#24324375) Homepage

            I did a whole master's degree through a distance program. When I had to take tests, I did need a proctor. Basically, you have someone who meets certain requirements fill out some paperwork, and then they manage the test administration stuff for the school.

            For most of that, I used the testing center at the local community college, which did charge. Of course it could have been free, if I found some other impartial person willing to do it, but I liked the isolated independent environment.

          • Actually, my public library ends up proctoring two to three distance education students per week. For free, of course. A reference librarian goes through the rigamarole with the student and sticks him/her at a table and the reference staff keeps an eye on him/her as we all wander around. If it's a computer-based test, we reserve a computer in the Computer Center for the student and the Computer Center staff watches him/her. Either way, you end up with multiple proctors at the same time (harder to cheat)

        • Most distance learning classes I've taken were based on assignments... not tests. The few that did have tests had a time limit - the assumption being that if you give students a brief period of time to answer a lot of questions only the people that really know it will have time to finish... while everyone else is busy googling and reading their books.
  • by saterdaies ( 842986 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:17PM (#24322509)

    I thought school was for learning things rather than getting a fancy piece of paper.

    • by flitty ( 981864 )
      That was my thought. Why should the government create a law that requires that schools enforce no-cheating? Won't that day of reckoning come when you show up to your first job and the boss asks you to modify a Java program and you give him a blank stare?
    • Real problem (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      School is for learning things...and that is the problem.

      The increasing availability of higher education (through convenient and affordable online colleges, as just one example) is resulting in an increasingly high percentage of highly educated people in the work force.

      Unfortunately, the number of jobs that actually require that kind of education is not increasing at the same rate.

      What happens when supply increases faster than demand? The price drops.

      That means that more employers are requiring higher educa

    • by AllIGotWasThisNick ( 1309495 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:46PM (#24323103)

      rather than getting a fancy piece of paper

      While it may be true for you that school is for learning things, it really depends upon which school and program you mean. The majority of the training/education industry (as far as the government is concerned) is about meeting industry's HR needs, and has nothing to do with the lofty goals of education for the benefit of the individual.

      • by BunnyClaws ( 753889 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:55PM (#24323261) Homepage

        While it may be true for you that school is for learning things, it really depends upon which school and program you mean. The majority of the training/education industry (as far as the government is concerned) is about meeting industry's HR needs, and has nothing to do with the lofty goals of education for the benefit of the individual.

        Bah, speak for yourself. I majored in Anthroplogy with a concentration in Feminist studies. I would comment more on this but I have to get back to waiting tables.

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by soliloqy ( 959150 )

          I majored in English and minored in Fine Art at a state University.

          My current business card reads "Lead Systems Engineer" -- and yes, it's a real business card from a real company that has very large very real clients. I have a lovely office, with a door and windows and everything.

          Every interview I've ever had (3 in the 8 years since I graduated), I've mentioned that I went to a university to learn things I couldn't learn anywhere else. It probably helps that I've been a technology junkie since I was a ki

          • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

            by FLEB ( 312391 )

            My current business card reads "Lead Systems Engineer" -- and yes, it's a real business card from a real company that has very large very real clients. I have a lovely office, with a door and windows and everything.

            So... you work for a printer?

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      Sorry to disappoint you with reality. Higher education stopped being about learning things and bettering oneself about the same time that having a higher education became something necessary for the purpose of being able to support an average family with a 'normal' lifestyle.

      Of coarse it started when the norm of morality shifted from one in which 'professionals' doctors, nurses, educated people ,became people who expected to be highly paid for their skills as opposed to acting altruistically, which happened

    • by sm62704 ( 957197 )

      You can learn from books. School is for getting the piece of paper that attests to the fact that you've learned, otherwise why would they need tests?

  • Right. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by PieSquared ( 867490 ) <isosceles2006&gmail,com> on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:20PM (#24322557)

    I haven't read TFA, but I'm going to go ahead and assume that by "spy cameras in their homes" they mean a camera attached to the computer while school work (or at least tests) is being done in an effort to make sure the degree goes to the person doing the work?

    As long as it isn't required to be on except while the student is doing work that would take place under the eyes of a professor or TA in a "real" college and as long as enrollment is voluntary I can't imagine it's really that objectionable.

    • Re:Right. (Score:4, Interesting)

      by phorm ( 591458 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:29PM (#24322755) Journal

      For any "online" institution I've known, the tests need to be done at an approved institute under supervision, and after presenting proper ID, etc.

      You might be able to fob off assignments on somebody else, but in a real school institution you could do this anyhow after classes.

      • Re:Right. (Score:5, Interesting)

        by EvanED ( 569694 ) <evaned@NOspAM.gmail.com> on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:33PM (#24322855)

        For any "online" institution I've known, the tests need to be done at an approved institute under supervision, and after presenting proper ID, etc.

        Well, that's the thing... they're trying to break that restriction.

        • And if they are trying to "break that restriction", employers should take note not to hire graduates of such institutions. This is entirely outside the domain of the government. Now, if fraud is committed - if the student or institution deceives the employer, that is where the law comes into play to hand out punishment and compensation.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        For any "online" institution I've known, the tests need to be done at an approved institute under supervision, and after presenting proper ID, etc.

        Certainly this is not universally true; Concord Law School, for instance (part of Kaplan University) does not do this; pretty much everything in most classes can be done online through a secure web site. J.D. (bar track) students have to comply with CA Bar requirements for non-ABA schools, which include a proctored First Year Law Students exam and must, of course

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Ngarrang ( 1023425 )

      And you would be right. Was the summary that obvious?

      • Re:Right. (Score:4, Insightful)

        by value_added ( 719364 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @03:00PM (#24323345)

        And you would be right. Was the summary that obvious?

        Well, the article does discuss both the test-taking aspect in addition to other concerns, and what the legislation actually says isn't made clear, other than a a description of it that reads "an institution that offers an online program must prove that an enrolled student is the same person who does the work."

        Without knowing how "work" is defined, my guess is that the intent of the legislation is reasonable. That's not to say the technologies or workarounds being put into effect are.

        I imagine that if this is mostly about test taking, then video cameras are hardly onerous. If every computer sold today came with a camera, and video confering was a routine affair, I imagine all on-line educating would be handled that way, as it's little different than being there in person. Granted, being able to "attend" remotely while just wearing your underwear won't be possible, but that doesn't strike me as a significant disadvantage. Or desirable.

    • Re:Right. (Score:4, Insightful)

      by ZeroFactorial ( 1025676 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:41PM (#24323001)
      First, I am reminded of the Scott Adams quotes:

      Engineers like to solve problems. If there are no problems handily available, they will create their own problems.

      Normal people don't understand this concept; they believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet.

      Second, and more importantly, why are we so focused on putting systems in place to prevent cheating?

      Spending time and resources on a system to FORCE obedience to the rule is inherently wrong, and is DEFINITELY Orwellian.
      Lets start focusing on teaching our kids to NOT CHEAT instead of expending so much time and so many resources in an effort to force them to comply.
      For those who still do cheat, life will ultimately expose them for the stupid jackass they are.

      And if it doesn't? Then the educational requirements were probably unnecessary for the profession they chose and perhaps the requirements should be rethought.

      You can sit a person down in a chair and force them to stay, but you can't force them to learn.
      Learning is a choice. Not learning is also a choice.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by UncleTogie ( 1004853 ) *

        Spending time and resources on a system to FORCE obedience to the rule is inherently wrong, and is DEFINITELY Orwellian. Lets start focusing on teaching our kids to NOT CHEAT instead of expending so much time and so many resources in an effort to force them to comply. For those who still do cheat, life will ultimately expose them for the stupid jackass they are.

        So would you consider cops enforcing legal compliance with your local legal code to be Orwellian? BTW, as far as we can tell, being a jackass is no barrier to living. Movies have been made with just that [imdb.com] as a title, and it did SO well, there was a sequel... [imdb.com]

        Some people don't give a rat's kazoo what others think as long as they get "theirs". Exposing folks like that as a jackass does very little to change their behavior; they think they're in the right. Penalizing them for said jackassery, however, might get

        • Re:Right. (Score:4, Insightful)

          by againjj ( 1132651 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @04:53PM (#24325455)

          Spending time and resources on a system to FORCE obedience to the rule is inherently wrong, and is DEFINITELY Orwellian. Lets start focusing on teaching our kids to NOT CHEAT instead of expending so much time and so many resources in an effort to force them to comply. For those who still do cheat, life will ultimately expose them for the stupid jackass they are.

          So would you consider cops enforcing legal compliance with your local legal code to be Orwellian?

          Laws generally only work correctly when everyone buys into the system. Do you drive with flat tires? Do you drive at night with your lights off? Do you burn other people's houses down for fun? No? Why? Because it is illegal? Probably not. Rather, it is bad for the car, dangerous, and ethically wrong, respectively. On the other hand, have you driven above the speed limit? Have you ever bought a candy bar from a kid without paying sales tax? Have you ever thrown away a (battery-powered) watch into the trash? Probably, even though they are all illegal. And putting in measures to always enforce these restrictions, or worse, only enforcing them for capricious reasons, is Orwellian. I actually am of the opinion that some of our local legal code and some of the enforcement thereof to be Orwellian. If there is a legal system that it is not possible to avoid offending, even with the best of intentions, you give power to the police force that they should not have. Sorry, not the best example.

          That said, I do not know if I would consider legally requiring anti-cheating measures for online courses to be Orwellian. But I would say requiring cameras as the implementing method (which I did not get out of the article) would be.

    • Re:Right. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Mike1024 ( 184871 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:45PM (#24323075)

      You're right - If you read TFA it says:

      Tucked away in a 1,200-page bill now in Congress is a small paragraph that could lead distance-education institutions to require spy cameras in their students' homes.

      It sounds Orwellian, but the paragraph â" part of legislation renewing the Higher Education Act â" is all but assured of becoming law by the fall. No one in Congress objects to it.

      The paragraph is actually about clamping down on cheating. It says that an institution that offers an online program must prove that an enrolled student is the same person who does the work.

      In other words the law says distance learning institutions must make an effort to verify work is done by the right person - and one technology those institutions are experimenting with is webcams.

      It's typical slashdot to quote just enough of the article to give completely the wrong impression.

    • by InvisblePinkUnicorn ( 1126837 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:53PM (#24323235)
      Why does this need to be a law? Can't employers simply choose to reject someone who graduates from an institution that makes no effort to verify who is taking their students' tests?
      • by Qzukk ( 229616 )

        Can't employers simply choose to reject someone who graduates from an institution that makes no effort to verify who is taking their students' tests?

        Sure they can. Just as soon as someone gets around to inventing that perfect lie detector.

        • I'm not sure you read my post. Who are you suggesting would be doing the lying? The student? Or the institution? If the student, then that is precisely my point - the institution should state that they are verifying student identities; or else the employer should not hire the student, or have an independent organization confirm this. If the institution is doing the lying, then then that is fraud, either being committed by the verifying organization, or by the institution themselves. Either way, they can be
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by ClassMyAss ( 976281 )
        For the moment, yes, at least mostly - I suspect most employers do discriminate quite heavily against online degrees. But in the future, this just won't be possible, especially as real world physical schools start to grant full, unasterisked degrees to students that have done at least a portion of their coursework online and remotely. This is inevitable: it's pretty much the only way to further grow a business that was up until now not scalable due to physical resources. Even the higher level colleges wo
  • by DustoneGT ( 969310 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:21PM (#24322573)
    They can't stop the cheating in person...what makes them think they can stop it over the internet?
    • They can't stop the cheating in person...what makes them think they can stop it over the internet?

      Exactly. Get a webcam, point it at yourself while sitting at a decoy computer. Have someone log in as you at the same time. Have them do the test while you play a round of Wow.

      DNRTFA but I'm assuming they've though of this.

    • They don't need to stop it entirely. They just need to bring it to the same level playing field. They want accreditation to stand for it's merits as a whole.

      I haven't read the entire bill, but I'm betting that this requirement is only if they pay for the education with federal moneys through a loan or a grant too.

  • So.... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Otter ( 3800 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:22PM (#24322595) Journal
    Basically, this is talking about requiring webcams or biometric devices when you take an online exam. Whether or not that's a good idea, it hardly qualifies as "Orwellian". Timothy and skeazer seem to think this is going to involve 24/7 cameras in your bedroom or something like that.
  • First of all that is entirely hackable. How many movies have we seen where someone brakes into a building by switching video feed of a security camera?

    Beyond that, I can't imagine this being cheap. It would take more than a $25 web cam to generate quality enough images, then substantial bandwidth to send that much video data back home. And if you're talking about tens of thousands of students, that's a LOT of bandwidth.

  • by RabidMoose ( 746680 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:22PM (#24322617) Homepage
    This article is setting off my FUDDAR. Summary written to make the new law sound worse than it likely will be, and ommiting the reasons behind it.
    • No, it really is that bad. I know I must be new here and everything, but you could actually RTFA.
      • by Zenaku ( 821866 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:41PM (#24322991)

        Well I did read the article, and it is a clear cut case of FUD. The law says only that these schools must be able to prove that the person enrolled is the person doing the work.

        All that crap about requiring them to put cameras in students homes is just some disingenuous person trying to claim that that is what it would take, because they don't think colleges have that verification responsibility.

        What this really comes down to is that most distance learning institutions require students to take their exams at a testing center, where they provide identification and are under the observation of a proctor. And those that don't are raising a fuss because they would prefer not to pay for that.

        FUD is exactly what it is -- the are proposing the most ridiculous solution that they can think of to bring them into compliance with such a law, because they would prefer not to have to comply at all.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by homer_s ( 799572 )
          because they don't think colleges have that verification responsibility.

          Some schools might want the most stringent controls to ensure students do not cheat. Others might not care. Some schools may provide the option and charge accordingly (and probably have different certificates).
          Why should this be the business of anyone but the school & the student?
      • OK, went ahead and RTFA. And it still doesn't seem that bad. Yeah, that dangling sphere with the fingerprint taker is pretty damn scary. But the law isn't going to require that. All it's going to do is require that online universities do a better job of authenticating students taking tests that will give them degrees.

        It's either have a proctor watch you, or be required to travel to a branch of the university (at student expense) and take the test locally. If it were up to me, I'd rather have somebody watchi

        • Eh, its not even that bad. My college requires that I find some proctor to take the exams with. The requirements for the proctor are fairly lose. You local library would do in many cases, or you can choose one of the many community colleges, which all offer proctor services for $10-$20.

    • The article says that the law would require institutions to verify that the person who did the work is the person who gets the degree. It does NOT in fact say that the law would require cameras in people's homes. That is merely one potential method which is presented, along with fingerprints and other techniques.

      Having the person show up live to do their work and tests at a local institution would also presumably count.

      I call shenanigans on this article.

  • by oodaloop ( 1229816 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:23PM (#24322627)
    I'll go to a brick and mortar school next time. No way am I putting one of those things in my house.
    • You're telling me you would rather travel to a brick and mortar school, sit in an uncomfortable institutional chair, comply with thier schedule, stifle your yawns while listening to Professor Curmudgeon and not look at online porn while doing calculus etc... all instead of being involved in the filming of College Girls Taking Tests III: Dirty Dirty Math? Well someone clearly has thier priorities wrong.
  • by operagost ( 62405 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:23PM (#24322635) Homepage Journal

    First of all, I don't see a problem with an online school implementing this on their own, exclusively for exams, as long as the device can be disconnected and software removed afterwards. Don't like that? Try another school. Capitalism wins.

    The real issue, I believe, is that the government seems to think it has the right to require that these devices be used. This will keep the price of these devices high and the slope nice and slippery.

    • by AllIGotWasThisNick ( 1309495 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:43PM (#24323035)

      The real issue, I believe, is that the government seems to think it has the right to require that these devices be used.

      So long as the government continues to pay out tuition subsidies, it should have the authority to specify the requirements for academic credibility. No doubt some "elite" institutions could forego government funding and avoid the regulation.

      This is pretty similar to drunk driving laws vs. federal highway subsidies, and AT&T vs. wiring subsidies.

  • by LostCluster ( 625375 ) * on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:24PM (#24322643)

    Spy camera? Not quite. They're basically just posing a "Hold up a picture of yourself with today's local newspaper so we know you are where you say you are." type challenge to prove that when you sit down for a high-stakes college exam, you are who you say you are.

    It's not like they're requiring your iSight camera be on 24/7. So this sensational headline doesn't match the story. Nothing to see here. Move along.

  • by TurdTapper ( 608491 ) <{seldonsplan} {at} {gmail.com}> on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:24PM (#24322661) Journal
    That's all, it doesn't require cameras, just that they can prove who is doing the work. It could be as simple as still requiring the student to go to a proctor to take an exam. There's nothing like trying to make something seem worse than it is. This poster is just like the media. Here's the answer. If you are going to take a class where they require you have a camera on you in the house and you don't like that, take the class somewhere else.
  • How will they work it for Dialup and sat internet where they don't have the bandwidth / ping times for this to work good?

    • by denzacar ( 181829 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @03:00PM (#24323327) Journal

      They won't.
      Students with dialup will either have to upgrade the connection or come to the college to do the exam if better connection is unavailable in their area.

      That is one of the reasons my college [www.fit.ba] is still against implementing some kind of a video link during a test.
      It is not connection heavy just on the student - imagine maintaining couple of thousands of simultaneous video links with resolution high enough to spot possible cheat sheets?
      Like... 4pt text printed cheat sheets stickers on your monitor.

      There is a MUCH simpler solution that they implement.

      Online tests that can be done from home constitute only a part of the grade. For those to be valid - you have to pass the final exam AT the college.
      Many exams require you to write a seminary work and later "defend it" in person in front of the professor.

      Here - students are the ones demanding something like that since some of us (like me) have to travel for 6 hours to get to an exam.
      Which can be quite ironic when some of your tests take around 20-30 minutes.
      Get up at 3 to catch a 5 AM bus, 6 hours one way, do a test, wait for the next bus home, 6 hours back.
      Roads here suck. No highway. We might get one in about 10 years or so...

      There is also a simple solution to that problem too.
      Since most of the tests are done by logging into the college's system with your ID and password - it could be also done over the internet.
      Like I said... we do it for the "lesser" tests. Only reason we are not allowed to do that for the final tests is cheating.
      Now... my town has a university as well... A good one... only not with such a study program.
      Why my college can't or won't contact the faculty of the university here and arrange for us to take the exam from the facilities of the university here (despite students suggesting and demanding that for years now), under the supervision of the local staff - well... I'd rather think its the old incompetence again instead of malice and money.

  • Identity-proving trivia questions have been around for a while. Ever try to access your credit report online? It's just a matter of time before other websites that really want to know your identity (and you have a reason to want the site to know it's you) jump on to this technology.

  • Employers generally don't trust their employees working at home. They think that without a tyrant-boss to keep an eye on them, most people will slack off. If these cameras were a regular part of telecommuting, more companies would support it.

    Eventually you get to the point where the government asks nicely if they can watch. Then they tell the companies that they WILL watch. Then they insist cameras be put in place if telecommuting is even a remote possibility for an employee. Then they eventually get a

    • Employers generally don't trust their employees working at home. They think that without a tyrant-boss to keep an eye on them, most people will slack off. If these cameras were a regular part of telecommuting, more companies would support it.

      In the past year, I've started to see laptops loaded with Cisco's Unified Personal Communicator , with headsets and webcams get distributed to our employees who telecommute. Right now, the video portion is only required for conferencing into meetings but who knows how l

  • So many holes (Score:2, Insightful)

    by stickrnan ( 1290752 )
    I read TFA as up to the point where people started screaming "unfair". After reading about the devices they're considering to prevent cheating (like blocking http traffic on the client machine), I don't think there's anything that a KVM and second computer wouldn't be able to get past. Just remember to keep the camera BEHIND the monitor.
  • Once again, hyperbole in a /. summary. News at 11. Hint, it isn't a spy cam if the person knowingly installs it at their house, for their own use.
  • by techiemikey ( 1126169 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:33PM (#24322851)
    TFA is saying that distance-colleges have to have some way to verify that the person on the computer is the person who signed up for the course. This could be a camera, or a fingerprint scanner, a typing analysis program, a photo, or a combo of the above. It's not spying 24/7 or anything like that, just using the devices during some assignments.
  • Proof? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by pseudorand ( 603231 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:33PM (#24322857)

    From TFA: "The paragraph is actually about clamping down on cheating. It says that an institution that offers an online program must prove that an enrolled student is the same person who does the work."

    And how is a camera in my home proof? If I have access to the hardware, I can send any video footage I want. And as for proof, there's no proof that I do any assignment that takes place out of class at traditional universities either. It sound more like it will create a market for test taking centers that contract out to universities that offer distance learning. Fuck those who live out in the boonies.

  • I'm not sure a law is needed in this case... can't colleges basically require you to do anything they want under threat that they won't admit / will expell you if you don't comply?

  • Teleconferences (Score:4, Interesting)

    by HTH NE1 ( 675604 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:36PM (#24322915)

    Called Securexam Remote Proctor, it's about the size of a large paperweight and plugs into a standard port on a home computer. The pedestal includes a groove for scanning fingerprints, a tiny microphone, and a camera. The sphere reflects a 360-degree view around the test taker, which the camera picks up.

    Nevermind proctoring, how about using this for round-table podcasts? Instead of a multi-camera shoot, put this on the table in front of everyone and do your cuts to who is talking all in post.

    Students pay $150 for the device.

    Losing the fingerprint scanner would drop the price a bit, and audio for each panelist could still be recorded using a multi-track recorder. But you may need HD resolution for capture in order to get SD-quality shots for editing, which you don't need for simple monitoring.

  • by 140Mandak262Jamuna ( 970587 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:37PM (#24322935) Journal
    I am looking for a extra long USB cable extender. It should plug in to the computer in the next room and allow the thingie given by the university to by in my room, allowing me to pretend I am working on a computer, while my friend, (friend? What friend charges 200$ for one lousy test, he is no friend) Venkatasubramaniapalvayantheeswara Rao takes the examn on the other computer.
  • Mwo? (Score:2, Informative)

    by davidsyes ( 765062 )

    "World Campus, the online arm of the Pennsylvania State University system, is testing another system called Webassessor. It uses proctors, Web cameras, and software that recognizes students' typing styles, such as their speed and whether they pause between certain letters. Students purchase the cameras for $50 to $80 apiece. They allow proctors to view a student's face, keyboard, and workspace.

    The Phoenix-based provider of the system, Kryterion Inc., employs proctors who remotely observe and listen to as ma

  • everyone has a lobby in washington. the brick and mortar institutions of higher learning don't want to see potential students go online instead. it is the same reason the usa has such strong laws against online gaming. its not for moral reasons, even though it is worded and implied that way. in reality, the gambling concerns like real world casinos in las vegas and atlantic city, they don't want potential customers sitting at home instead

    these laws are caged in indirect requirements, but the message is the

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by BitHive ( 578094 )

      I can guarantee you that real institutions of higher learning don't give a shit about online "distance" learning, or cheating. My alma mater is among the top in terms of number of graduates who go on to get doctorates in their fields, but does not proctor exams. All exams are take-home, with the obvious exception of your oral thesis defense (if you can call that an exam).

      Any institution providing a real education won't care if you cheat on tests because the faculty have more important things to do and it

    • It's more like the government wants its slice of the pie (ie, tax revenue). Online/overseas gambling is harder to collect taxes on... so they ban it instead.

      Why do you think making your own liquor (moonshine) is generally illegal? It's certainly not morality concerns...

  • ...who was going to take distance classes at Troy.

    Fuck that.

  • by kellyb9 ( 954229 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @02:53PM (#24323227)
    Start attending online class in your birthday suit, and they'll quickly do away with this restriction.
  • Online Colleges Could Spy On Students - By Law

    Bad title, Spying implies that you have no knowledge that it's happening. In this case, it would seem you have full knowledge you are being "spied" on.

  • The law does not allow or require spy cameras.

    The law requires that the on-line schools validate that the student is the one actually doing the work. The law does not specify any means of doing so.

    The person who wrote the article should be fired for using an outrageous misleading headline and first paragraph to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

    This is so dishonest that it doesn't qualify as journalism.

  • Having universities do the teaching and the certification sucks anyway, it's not such a natural bundle.

    You should go to school because you want to learn something, exams telling you how well you're doing.

    Getting a diploma is about proving to other people that you know something, it should be handled entirely separately. It also means autodidacts don't have to pay for useless lessons just to get the certification.

  • by eric434 ( 161022 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @03:19PM (#24323729) Homepage

    These designers need to get a clue. Cameras will not replace human proctors any time soon.

    Instant distance learning cheat:
    1) Plug magic 360-degree anti-cheating fingerprint camera into laptop.
    2) Sit down at desk with other laptop.
    3) Bring your buddy the anthropology-whiz-for-hire into the room. Hand him the laptop from step 1.
    4) Buddy gets under desk and takes test. You spend an hour on IRC basking in the epic lulz.

  • If you want the course credit, you have to agree to let the proctor watch you take the test.

    That isn't spying. It's school.

  • If real this violates the honour system [wikipedia.org] and makes it impossible for a university to enact a honour system.

  • by fishbowl ( 7759 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @04:05PM (#24324601)

    1. Be under 18 years old
    2. Perform a sex act on the camera.
    3. Compel discovery against the university for possession of child pornography.
    4. ???
    5. Profit!!!

  • by vorlich ( 972710 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @04:25PM (#24324983) Homepage Journal
    School Prison System. I have said it a few times now, on slash dot. School is a prison where young people are held hostage and counted, frequently. These cameras will make that even more efficient.
    John Gatto has said it all already http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/prologue2.htm [johntaylorgatto.com]
  • by Jane Q. Public ( 1010737 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @07:11PM (#24327293)
    Before "internet" colleges, there were correspondence colleges. Still "distance learning", and still (in some cases) accredited.

    The Internet doesn't change anything there at all. So where were their Orwellian rules before?

    This nonsense is just another example of blaming the internet for something that has always existed, and using that as an excuse to further intrude.

    What a crock.
  • by fugue ( 4373 ) on Thursday July 24, 2008 @09:09PM (#24328709) Homepage

    Funny--I went to a pretty expensive university, and we never had a single proctor at any exam, ever. Something called an "honor code" or something...

    What's really going on here, though, is that universities no longer exist to educate, but rather to certify. It does not seem unreasonable to me that a corporation should be responsible for evaluating a prospective employee. However (perhaps unsurprisingly), corporations would love to be able to offload that little business expense onto someone else.

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