Lucas Researching Concept For New Indiana Jones Film 272
Cycon writes "According to George Lucas, 'The franchise really depends on me coming up with a good idea. And that series is very research-intensive. So we're doing research now to see if we can't come up with another object for him to chase ... hopefully we'll come up with something.' Lucas 'scoffed at the possibility of passing the famed fedora from Ford to Shia LaBeouf,' instead stating, 'if [Harrison Ford] wasn't in it, you'd have to call it "Mutt Williams and the search for Elvis."'"
Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... (Score:5, Funny)
There's plenty he could be going after:
Indiana Jones and the Clump Of Dark Matter [slashdot.org]
Indiana Jones and the RIAA lawsuit about him touching the Ark Of The Covenant (without seeking prior license from the Vatican) ...?
Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... (Score:5, Funny)
I was thinking along the lines of, "Indiana Jones and the Search for the Higgs Boson, coming to a theater near you October 21, 2008."
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"Raiders of the Lost Medicine Cabinet"
"Indiana Jones and the Child-proof Cap"
"Indiana Jones and the Walker of Doom"
"Indiana Jones and the Damn Kids on His Lawn"
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Indiana Jones and the Legend of the Pharmaceutical Store
Indiana Jones and the Tale of Arthritis
Indiana Jones, Raiders of the Lost Dentures
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Indiana Jones and the Time He Went Over to Shelbyville During the War.
He wore a bullwhip on his belt. Which was the style at the time.
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Indiana Jones and the Lost Netcraft Confirmation
Indiana Jones and the Steven King Demise Report
and, finally,
InSovietDiana, Raiders of the Temple of the Crusade of the Skull are Jonezin' for you!
Dude, you *so* missed this one: (Score:2)
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Indiana Jones and the Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction
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Not going to work - Indy always finds what he goes looking for.
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What about the obvious "Indiana Jones and the Hunt for Duke Nukem Forever"?
I wanted "Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis: The movie" :(
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After how poor the last one was -- crystal skull -- I'm probably done with 'em anyway. I nearly bailed after that one with the incredibly annoying kid, but Lucas redeemed himself through Sean Connery's good auspices. That kid was the Jar Jar Binks / Ewok of IJ movies. Precocious, annoying children only amuse mothers in the full flush of new-kid hormones, and grandparents who snicker at the parents trying to handle them. The rest of us just want to stuff them into a barrel and pound in the bung.
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The rest of us just want to stuff them into a barrel and pound in the bung.
I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to want to do that to kids, no matter how annoying they are.
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Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... (Score:5, Insightful)
"Indiana Jones and why George Lucas Keeps Ruining Every Saga He Created When He Was Young"
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***SPOILER ALERT***
At the end of the movie, when he has finally escaped and is free of the system (as Lucas is now free and able to produce any movie he chooses from conception through to finished product) the protagonist finds him system alone, in the middle of a barren wasteland. All credit to Lucas for escaping the machine, but it sees his imagination is just as empty these days.
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***SPOILER ALERT***
At the end of the movie, when he has finally escaped and is free of the system (as Lucas is now free and able to produce any movie he chooses from conception through to finished product) the protagonist finds him system alone, in the middle of a barren wasteland. All credit to Lucas for escaping the machine, but it sees his imagination is just as empty these days.
Rather than comment on the film ending being a metaphor for Lucas' career and ability, I just wanted to remark that I always fo
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I think what GL needs again is what all talented and admittedly gifted artistic people need. Pressure. They create, they need to create, because that's all they got going for them. That's their tool, they use it because they have to. Pressure to create.
I know what kind of object they need (Score:2, Funny)
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How about introducing a strange new character that behaves in an obnoxious way, speaks in unintelligible patois and causes everyone to flinch whenever he's onscreen. He could be called Shortstop Bingo and be Indy's trusty right-hand fuck up.
Surely this would totally enhance the franchise.
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I sincerely hope you are not making fun of the little kid in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. You must be making some sort of sarcastic obscure reference to Jar-Jar "WTF" Binks.
Otherwise prepare for an ass wooping :) I mean come on, he played Data, AKA "Booby-Twap" in The Goonies. How could you not love that?
In fact, screw Jar-Jar. You could replace him and put Data in the Phantom Menace and it would be an even better movie.
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With the exception of the mine cart chase and the rope bridge fight, Short Round was the only good thing about Temple of Doom.
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With the exception of the mine cart chase and the rope bridge fight, Short Round was the only good thing about Temple of Doom.
You're kidding me, rgiht? Temple of Doom had the two worst sidekicks ever. Even apart from the mine cart chanse and the rope bridge fight, the movie has its moments, but those were mostly the ones without Short Round in it.
I particularly really like the opening scene a lot.
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While I concur that Willie was awful, I'd defend Short Round. He was good fun.
James Bond with whips (Score:5, Insightful)
Lucas 'scoffed at the possibility of passing the famed fedora from Ford to Shia LaBeouf,' instead stating, 'if [Harrison Ford] wasn't in it, you'd have to call it "Mutt Williams and the search for Elvis."'
I think Lucas missed an opportunity to turn Indiana Jones into a James Bond-like franchise. Some months ago I read that it was originally sold as "James Bond with nazis and ancient treasures", and I think it would have been a great idea to keep it perpetually in a pre-WW2 setting with nazis and zeppelins, and replace the main actor if he gets too old.
Although ofcourse no other Indiana Jones could ever compare to Harrison Ford.
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I remember when I first saw Last Cruisade at the cinema. I was only 12 at the time and I got really confused by the bit at the beginning. I thought they had done exactly what you said and replaced Harrison Ford with a new actor.
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No I'm talking about the bad guy he got The Hat from. I recognised The Hat, and saw he was digging up stuff so I assumed he was Indy.
I didn't realise it was a flashback to his childhood.
Richard Young (Score:2)
No I'm talking about the bad guy he got The Hat from. I recognised The Hat, and saw he was digging up stuff so I assumed he was Indy.
I didn't realise it was a flashback to his childhood.
That was Richard Young [imdb.com] who's been in a ton of stuff, including "The Ice Pirates". You're right, he would have made a good Indy.
That's what Lucas should do is cast relatively unknowns (i.e. not big stars) and do a James Bond thing - as everyone else has suggested. Ford wasn't a big star when he was cast as Indy.
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That's what Lucas should do is cast relatively unknowns (i.e. not big stars) and do a James Bond thing - as everyone else has suggested. Ford wasn't a big star when he was cast as Indy.
Originally he wanted Tom Selleck (Magnum PI) for the role. I'm glad they ended up with Harrison Ford.
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The bond cycle for those who don't know, is where they start of with a good film, then then add more gadgets and stupid stunts to outdo the last one, this continues until you get a piece of shit like Moonraker or Die Another Day. Then they decide they have to go back to basics and restart the Bond cycle (usually with a new actor) with something like Goldeneye, or Casino Royale, where it's actually based on the character of Bond rat
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How old are you? Or, what planet are you from? Harrison had already done two of the three Star Wars films and a couple other things that were very popular, even at that time. He was very well known. [imdb.com]
Hint:
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To do the James Bond thing he would have had to have kept making films, not leave it this long between movies.
They were a product of a different age anyway, time was the a new James Bond film was a cause for national celebration. Now if one is released its just another action flick, people simply don't care as much.
The only reason studios are interested in getting a James Bond type thing going is the potential product placement revenue such a popular series would generate.
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To do the James Bond thing he would have had to have kept making films, not leave it this long between movies.
Exactly. That was the missed opportunity, IMO. But I admit I didn't realise this until I heard the new movie played in the '50s with commies instead of nazis.
They were a product of a different age anyway, time was the a new James Bond film was a cause for national celebration. Now if one is released its just another action flick, people simply don't care as much.
Nowadays it's a new Star Wars that's cause for national celebration, it seems. The new Indy got quite a lot of press too.
The only reason studios are interested in getting a James Bond type thing going is the potential product placement revenue such a popular series would generate.
If it's such a popular series, wouldn't they be interested in it anyway? The product placement is just a nice bonus.
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I think Lucas missed an opportunity to turn Indiana Jones into a James Bond-like franchise.
I believe that was the idea when Clive Cussler's Sahara was adapted to the big screen.
As I understand it there was a desire to turn Dirk Pitt into a brand new big screen hero, as a combination of James Bond and Indiana Jones, hence the tag line,
"Dirk Pitt. Adventure has a new name"
However, the film was a box office bomb and nothing else came of it.
It probably didn't help matters that Clive Cussler himself attempted to torpedo the franchise.
But, in fairness to him, he did request to approve the script and th
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I believe that was the idea when Clive Cussler's Sahara was adapted to the big screen.
As I understand it there was a desire to turn Dirk Pitt into a brand new big screen hero, as a combination of James Bond and Indiana Jones, hence the tag line,
"Dirk Pitt. Adventure has a new name"
I've never heard of any of these.
However, the film was a box office bomb and nothing else came of it.
That explains it then. Was it any good at all?
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Well, there was Raise The Titanic in 1980, the first Cussler/Pitt cinematic foray. Raise your hands if you remember that one. The book was a hit, the film wasn't.
With the notable exception of Hunt For Red October, underwater sagas do not perform well at the box office. Remember The Abyss and Waterworld.
Pffffft.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Lucas whining about "research" is laughable.
Granted, Raiders of the Lost Ark had some interesting stories in it, and did at least deal with some research, but I would say the amount of true "research" in Indiana Jones films has been dropping geometrically.
Indeed, The Last Crusade, other then repeating the Romantic-era story about the grail that so many people already knew, gave no new information and instead focused on the relationship between Indy and his father.
And Crystal Skull -- from what people have told me about it is even worse. Dealing with a completely fictional back story that doesn't represent anything presently known about the crystal skulls, nor anything that is written about widely in popular paranormal literature.
No one is saying that Indiana Jones isn't a fabulous example of those serial movies from the 40s and 50s, but I am arguing that the amount of research is mind-numbingly small.
And who here thinks that this statement:
"The franchise really depends on me"
Isn't just a bit egotistical... *cough*Phantom Menace*cough*
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In Lucas' mind, his movies are the only ones that exist. Never mind that Star Wars was The Hidden Fortress [imdb.com]. If you listen to his commentary on these recent movies (I've made a huge mistake,) he's including homage to his own earlier movies.
As such, there are only about 10 movies to watch in the entire history of film. So we clearly need more.
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> Seriously WTH is Lucas thinking, either come up with some new ideas or
> sit on your money and quietly retire.
If you kept coming up with stupid ideas, lousy plots, terrible actors, and every nerd on the planet still paid money to see it (often multiple times), do you think maybe you'd be getting a bit of a mixed message? What, is he supposed to listen to critics? If half your "fan base" consisted of people like "Comic Book Guy", you'd probably learn to ignore them pretty quickly.
If you don't like Lucas' stuff, stop giving him your money.
c.
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> Lucas whining about "research" is laughable...
I guess searching 'The Google' on the 'Internets' which cars are right for the era can be called 'research'.
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The franchise really depends on me coming up with a good idea
We're fucked.
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The franchise is DEAD. This last iteration, "Indiana Jones and the Crystal McGuffin" put a bullet in it.
George, STOP LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE TELLING YOU THAT YOU'RE GOOD.
They're lying to you.
Your last good idea you had was hiring Irvin Kershner and Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan for Empire.
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Hell, Episode 3 was the crowning achievement in the Star Wars saga, what with having an actual interesting plot and all.
NoooooOOOOOOOooooooo!
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Indiana Jones... (Score:2, Funny)
Maybe I am strange... (Score:2)
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Check out Bubba Ho-Tep [bubbahotep.com]. It's got mummies. It's got Elvis. It's got BRUCE CAMPBELL.
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i had a look at the trailers, and to me that movie looks like a winner.
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It also has a black JFK. What's not to like about this movie?
More? (Score:2)
Or why don't we just cut right to the chase to keep this franchise going another 20 years:
That Kid From Transformers and Indiana Jones
If they want to revive the franchise... (Score:5, Funny)
Indiana Jones and the Still Beating Heart of George Lucas
Seriously, if the franchise really depends on Lucas coming up with a good idea, they might as well call it a day right now.
New Film (Score:2)
We could call the new film "Indiana Jones: A Bridge Too Far". It describes Indiana going to Europe in search of a decent Lucas script, but Indiana pushed so far and fast across Europe he got bogged down in Arnhem (he forgot his whip), his lackey cannot help Indy because he can't land because of fog. Indiana meets intense local opposition saying "enough of the franchises and rubbish scripts." So Indiana gets beaten back and returns home empty handed.
The film will later be re-released in THX certified, ultra-
Lucas has it right under his nose...errr chin. (Score:2)
Indiana Jones and the Search for the Giant Goiter
Incredibly lame (Score:3, Insightful)
Lucas is going to completely destroy the franchise, just like he did with Star Wars. Clearly he has no new ideas whatsoever, as he's prefer to spend his energy squeezing every drop of life out of a one-successful brand rather than continue to create new quality films. He should be ashamed of himself.
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Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis (Score:5, Interesting)
Enough said
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones_and_the_Fate_of_Atlantis [wikipedia.org]
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"The franchise really depends on me coming up with a good idea."
George Lucas hasn't had a good idea since about 1982. Well, I guess not passing the fedora to Shia LaBeouf would be a good idea if Lucas had given the correct reason for it: Shia can't act.
Breaking...Indy V working title (Score:3, Funny)
Mel Brooks has been cast as the new Indy. Rick Moranis is close to being signed as the new bad guy.
Work title: Indiana Jones and The Power of The Schwartz.
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I like it...
Except replace brooks with Mel Gibson, make him an escaped mental patient who thinks he is a cop and make Rick Moranis his weak willed therapist trying to bring him back!
Mel Gibson believes himself to be a cop is trying to solve a case.
Then twist it up and make him right and then make it a semi-action flick. (Mel Gibson still being insane and not a cop.)
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Here comes the cross over (Score:2, Funny)
Indiana Jones and the Portal of Tatooine
"Dr. Jones discovers the lost continent of Atlantis, containing a portal that jarringly thrusts him backwards though time, to a land far far away. After pooling resources with a seemingly kind hearted philanthropist by the name of palpatine, they leverage indi's scientific earth-knowledge of stem cells to construct a device that elicits a rapid growth in users midi-chlorian count. After mysteriously falling into the wrong hands, it becomes predictably obvious that the
There's a problem... (Score:2)
Who judges whether or not it's a good idea? (Score:2)
Lucas style research (Score:2)
For George, researching a movie means researching the copy protection for the movie.
Fate of Atlantis (Score:2, Interesting)
To anyone who's played Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, why don't/didn't they make that into a movie? Thought the story line was great and would have made a watchable movie.
come on guys! (Score:2, Insightful)
eg anakin and his bitch rolling around in field of grass . ahhh, heartwarming
Obviously theres a market for it! (Score:4, Interesting)
711 million worldwide box office.
Harrison Ford looked pretty good in the current film, I think they were just let down by the script and the film still did well.
The main problem for any sequel with the current film is that it gave indy his happy ending, theres nowhere to go with the character....
"Sometimes, dead is better." (Score:2, Funny)
When we saw "Pet Sematary" at a horror movie marathon, we were all getting a bit tired, so the comments flew fast. A major line in the film, referring to a spot of ground with the ability to resurrect pets buried in't (but it brings them back...wrong), was "Anyone ever bury a person up there?"
When, in the film, a truck crashed and totalled, , someone yelled out, "Anyone ever bury a truck up there?" I forget if it were I or my dear who shouted, "Anyone ever bury a script up there?
"Anyone ever bury a fran
So the film is already dead before it starts (Score:2)
According to George Lucas, 'The franchise really depends on me coming up with a good idea.
Lucas hasn't had a good idea in decades so there is no fear that he'll produce another one of his cinematic abortions.
Set it in South Fla (Score:3, Insightful)
' Lucas 'scoffed at the possibility of passing the famed fedora from Ford to Shia LaBeouf,'
Indiana Jones and the Fountain of Youth.
After all, Harrison Ford is eligible for Medicare as of last year.
With apologies to Letterman... (Score:2)
Top Ten Indiana Jones Sequel Pitches
10. Indiana Jones and the Hernia of Doom
9. Indiana Jones and the Island of Liver Spots
8. Raiders of the Golden Medicine Cabinet
7. Indiana Jones and the Crystal Kidney Stones
6. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Fallen Arches
5. Raiders of the Lost Car Keys
4. Indiana Jones and the Wife Nearly Half His Age
3. Indiana Jones and Pirates of Rehash Reef
2. Raiders of the CG Lagoon
And the number one Indiana Jones Sequel...
1. Indiana Jones and th- Hey You Kids Get off My Law
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I haven't seen the new indiana jones movie yet
Consider yourself lucky. Once you have seen it, it can't be unseen.
My eyes, the goggles do nothing!
seriously it's crap.
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I know that Lucas thinks that everyone 'relies on him" to come up with good ideas... but seriously, Lucus is a one trick pony. He makes exactly one good movie in a series, then he either hands it off to someone who is talented or makes a crapfest. I personally hope he does what he did with the Empire Strikes Back. Give some writer and director WHO IS NOT LUCUS a rough outline of what he wants, and let them make a good movie. I can just see him directing a love scene...
Lucus: "No! Less emotion! Like y
The latest indy (Score:5, Informative)
I actually set my expectations low, cranked my IQ down and set suspension of disbelief to high. After all it's Indy Jones, you're not supposed to be thinking too much.
But when Indy Jones did the ball bearings stuff, those Standard Indy settings started to show their shortcomings... I went "OK turn off physics"
Things totally fell apart when Tarzan Boy started swinging from tree to tree. I had to do some major changes at that point. How does that add to the story line or show?
I enjoyed the first one and temple of doom was ok. This one, save your money/bandwidth. Go watch something else. I heard Batman is good.
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I enjoyed the first one and temple of doom was ok.
Please tell me you've seen The Last Crusade. That's possibly the best of the bunch, certainly rivaling Raiders.
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I am not an archaeologist but I would imagine that the holy grail of Archaeology is THE HOLY GRAIL, once Indy had found that (and eternal life, which he turned down) there was nowhere else for him to go. Everything will seem a anticlimax and (as happened) silliness needs to be added to try and make up for that.
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I am not an archaeologist but I would imagine that the holy grail of Archaeology is THE HOLY GRAIL
Archaeology is the search for fact. Not truth.So forget any ideas you've got about lost cities, exotic travel, and digging up the world. We do not follow maps to buried treasure and "X" never, ever, marks the spot.
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********* SPOILER *************
Mostly agreed, but they did one up the last crusade with the Atom Bomb, an artifact that was thoroughly modern and far more dangerous and powerful than any of the mythological stuff Indy had run into before.
It's an interesting comparison with Raiders: Hitler wanted the Ark (and the Grail) so that his armies of darkness could march over the face of the earth. Americans simply built a better ark.
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And, like the insipid prequel-bashing that goes on here, much of the hate directed at crystal skull was widely undeserved. It had some flaws, but it was still a fun adventure flick.
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*smacks head*
See that's what happens when you keep tweaking your brain settings for movies
Ever played the graphic adventure? (Score:3, Insightful)
I was a big fan of Lucasfilm's Indy games. The Last Crusade took me back to enjoying the "hidden parts that never appeared in the movie".
But the Fate of Atlantis was even better. Just take a look at some Indy 4 screenshots [mobygames.com].
First of all, you got this archaeological dig in Iceland. Then the Azores. Then the mayan jungle of Tikal. Also, you make a stop at Monaco and have a seance with the holder of an ancient atlantean disc. AND you have to rescue him from being kidnapped by the Nazis. Later, you go to the des
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I was disappointed at the latest Indy as well. It simply lacks the "mystic aura" that the other Indy movies have.
Raiders of the lost Ark: Ancient egyptian maps. Booby traps. The second half of a map that the Nazis lack. An infinitely powerful artifact. GOD's power.
Indiana Jones and the temple of Doom: Evil cults engaged in bloodthirsty rituals. The stones of the gods. Actual jungles with vampires. Passageways filled with all kind of creepy bugs.
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: Medieval writings of a Franciscan Friar. Biblical elements. The cup of Christ. Ancient roman catacombs hidden below a Church turned Library. A society designed to protect the secret of the grail. Henry Jone's Grail Diary. The canyon of the crescent moon. Three lethal tests to prove your faith.
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: Whee, communists searching for alien artifacts in a jungle so fake it looks like a walk in the park! Hey, is that James Dean? Whee, look, aliens!
I want my childhood back! :( :( :(
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I actually set my expectations low, cranked my IQ down and set suspension of disbelief to high. After all it's Indy Jones, you're not supposed to be thinking too much.
I don't mean this as an attack on you, but I *hate* when people say that about movies. "Hey, it's just a fun movie. Turn your brain off and have fun!" No. I'm all for suspension of disbelief, but only when a movie earns it. A good movie (even if it's just a fun movie) sucks you in and makes you to suspend your disbelief. If you have to put effort into suspending your disbelief, then the movie isn't doing its job. If you have to fight with yourself to ignore the stupidity, then it's just a bad movie.
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I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with everyone telling you the new one was crap. While it wasn't as good as, say, Raiders of the Lost Ark or Last Crusade, I'd definitely say it was better than Temple of Doom. Quite frankly, there's no legitimate reason I've seen that anyone has to complain about it. Yes, the plot/physics is nonsensical. So what? They've always been that way for this series.
Dunno if Shia LaBeouf would make an adequate replacement for Ford, though. He does ok in the new movie, but it wouldn't
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I don't know about others, but I would love to see new series of Young Indiana Jones which used to be aired in '92 and later.
Many people rates it very low, but for me it was very educating serie and was the only thing I used to watch in a TV when I was young.
I've missed most of it, but the few bits I saw were good. I'd love to see more of Young Indy. And if it works out, he could eventually grow up to be Big Indy.
But wasn't that River Phoenix? Because he's not young anymore, and also dead. Or was he only Young Indy in The Last Crusade?
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No. In the Young Indy series, it was Sean Patrick Flanery [imdb.com]. River Phoenix was only in Last Crusade.
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I mean, if left to his own devices next thing you know he'll have a camp Vader screaming 'noooooooooo' at the sky or something.
I've only one response to that idea- "Do Not Want".
Close, but no cigar. (Score:2)
Indian Jones and the Continued Raping of your Childhood Unless You Give Me Cash I didn't go see it, precisely because I knew it was going to be horrible. If I could, I'd delete all the trailers & ads I've seen from my brain.