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SanDisk, Music Publishers Push DRM-free SlotMusic Format 368

Strudelkugel writes "The LA Times and others are reporting the music industry is working with SanDisk to try unrestricted music files on microSD memory cards to improve sales of physical media: 'In addition to music, the slotMusic cards will come pre-loaded with other things, such as liner notes, album-cover artwork and sometimes video.' The important part: 'The music on slotMusic comes without copyright protection, so it can be used on almost all computers, mobile phones and music players — but it won't play on an iPod, which doesn't have a micro-SD memory slot. It has one gigabyte of memory, and the music tracks are played back at high quality.' Could it be the labels have finally recognized that providing features and convenience to customers is preferable to suing them?" Most computers also don't have microSD slots; according to EMI's press release, there will be a "tiny USB sleeve" packaged with each card, and the "high quality" format means up to 320kbps MP3. From the given description, it seems like it would be no harder to transfer the tracks to an iPod (via a computer) than to most other players.
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SanDisk, Music Publishers Push DRM-free SlotMusic Format

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  • by ottawanker ( 597020 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @03:35AM (#25100735) Homepage

    I don't want a memory stick containing lossy 320kbit songs, I can get that easily enough off the CD (they are still giving you a real CD, right?).

    Why not include a 24-bit 192 or 96 khz lossless format, and maybe something in 5.1 instead? DVD-Audio and SACD didn't take off because no one adopted the players, but it might take off if you made it easily playable. I might even pay a slight premium.

  • Weird (Score:5, Insightful)

    by suck_burners_rice ( 1258684 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @03:39AM (#25100753)
    Ok, let me get this straight. No copy protection so it will play on anything, but it won't play on iPods because they don't have a SD slot? WTF?! If there's no copy protection, then you put the songs on your computer and then sync them to the iPod. I love how these sorts of articles are written when the person writing them has never used a computer before.
  • by isBandGeek() ( 1369017 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @03:43AM (#25100779)

    But the biggest problem, he said, may be that Apple's iTunes and other download services have made customers used to buying a song at a time, not an album, and making their own compilations.

    The horror! Now we don't have to pay for the album fillers that comes with the one song that we want?

  • by SwedishPenguin ( 1035756 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @03:46AM (#25100793)

    It's probably to minimize the space required. They don't want half the price of the card be the cost of the card itself after all. Also a 320kbps mp3 can be played by pretty much any mp3 player out there, unlike most lossless compression formats.
    Besides, most people (including me) can't hear the difference between 320 kbps lossy and lossless.

  • "Tiny USB Sleeve"? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mellon ( 7048 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @04:00AM (#25100853) Homepage

    Great. More crap to throw out. Isn't one of the big selling features of digital distribution that it produces less crap to landfill?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 22, 2008 @04:07AM (#25100893)

    You can put the music *directly* into a non-apple player which supports MicroSD (or any other one that accepts cards, via an adapter).

    To put it on an iPod, you would need to involve a PC. Part of the point of packing the files on an SD card in the first place is to avoid the annoying PC requirement. If you have to use a PC every time, you almost may as well buy a CD.

  • by Yoo Chung ( 43695 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @04:07AM (#25100899) Homepage
    I don't get it. What's the difference between slotMusic and a read-only microSD card with a bunch of MP3 files on it?
  • by harlows_monkeys ( 106428 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @04:09AM (#25100913) Homepage

    No copyright protection? So they are only releasing music that is in the public domain!?

    Or did the newspaper screw up, and mean to write "no copy protection"?

  • by neocrono ( 619254 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @04:09AM (#25100915)
    That's pioneering? I didn't think we'd quite gotten to the point where a DRM-free CD was the exception rather than the rule...
  • by DavidD_CA ( 750156 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @04:12AM (#25100929) Homepage

    Kudos to EMI for doing something digital without DRM, but how is this better than what Amazon.com offers us now?

    I can download DRM-free songs from Amazon for less than a buck, and albums at about $8. Windows Media Player downloads the album art, and a plug-in gets me lyrics. I can transfer the song to other devices, friends, or burn to CD. Amazon's library is HUGE.

    And internet distribution doesn't impact the environment.

    About the only advantage I see to this is the "up to 320k", whereas Amazon's are 160k I believe. But, I don't think I'd be able to tell the difference.

    Physical distribution is dead. If they want to cater to impulse buyers at a retailer, install a kiosk with a variety of ports, card readers, BlueTooth, etc and let people download stuff instantly.

  • by timmarhy ( 659436 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @04:16AM (#25100955)
    right because cd's and their packing that's about 500 times the size is better.
  • by 91degrees ( 207121 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @04:26AM (#25100997) Journal
    Kudos to EMI for doing something digital without DRM, but how is this better than what Amazon.com offers us now?

    Amazon requires an internet connection.

    And a PC.
  • not at all (Score:2, Insightful)

    by unity100 ( 970058 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @04:28AM (#25101011) Homepage Journal
    what an ignorant generalization.

    concept of marginal returns also apply to quality of music. buy a crappy pair of speakers, buy a crappy cable, you get crap out of your set. buy good speakers and cable, and a good set, you get good quality. the point beyond where marginal returns start declining steeply in regard to quality-price, is the point for luxury - minimal returns, huge cash.

    its the same with sports cars. a honda sports car is good and acceptably priced. and it can satisfy any enthusiast. a porche on the other hand, may give comparably less increase in performance and satisfaction, but much more expensive. still there are those who buy porches.

    simple as that.
  • by SlashBugs ( 1339813 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @04:47AM (#25101085)

    Am I thinking about the same micro-SD as everyone else? Smaller than my little finger nail?

    It's small enough to get lost in your pocket, sucked up by a vacuum cleaner or whatever. They're also fiddly to handle: can you imagine picking through your album collection with a pair of tweezers, squinting at the 3mm x 5mm labels to find the one you're after?

    It seems a bizzarre choice for a portable music medium. If they're not intended for carrying around but supposed to be used only once, to get the music onto your player/computer, why not just sell the download?

  • by Uglypug ( 1309973 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @05:04AM (#25101141)
    Maybe you could, you know, stop listening to bands whose songs are 80% filler and support someone with actual talent instead? I know it's crazy, but it just might work.
  • by uvajed_ekil ( 914487 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @05:09AM (#25101161)
    Why not include a 24-bit 192 or 96 khz lossless format, and maybe something in 5.1 instead?

    Why? Because most people don't care. People who listen to ipods, buy from itunes, rip their own cds with crappy compression, and mainly listen to their music with $5 headphones, can't tell the difference between a lossless format and the common, lossy formats. That applies to the majority of consumers. Very little demand for anything better than 320kbps mp3 or aac or whatever. I like flac for archiving, personally, but I also often convert to a mediocre mp3 format for portability with my Palm Treo.

  • by draxredd ( 661953 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @05:18AM (#25101191)
    Smaller size ? smaller than CD means no packaging, no physical album art, easier to lose...
    Doesn't sound like an advantage (consumer side)
    Most of us still buy physical medias (aka CDs et al) precisely because you get those things.
    This might be the surest way to have even die-hards go all digital download.
    This physical media dead horse really is starting to stink.
  • by repvik ( 96666 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @05:30AM (#25101255)

    Unfortunately, even bands with talent has record labels stuffing crap to fill up their CDs. Extremely few artists have 100% control of what is put on their CD.

  • And what else ? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by daveime ( 1253762 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @06:05AM (#25101377)

    In addition to music, the slotMusic cards will come pre-loaded with other things, such as liner notes, album-cover artwork and sometimes video

    And advertisements, rootkits, DRM schemes, spyware ...

    Why is it every keydisk manufacturer thinks I want their crappy software to run every time I put a disk in the USB slot ? Sick of this nonsense, meaning your 2GB memory is actually only 1.8GB plus some non removable crap, and not one but 2 drive letters to deal with :-(

  • by suckmysav ( 763172 ) <suckmysav AT gmail DOT com> on Monday September 22, 2008 @06:23AM (#25101439) Journal

    You know, I'm in my mid forties and I grew up with scratchy LP's and compact cassettes. I recall buying LP's and "ripping" them to tapes so that I didn't have to keep handling and playing the LP in an attempt to maintain them in "pristine condition". I've still got those LP's too.

    The trouble was that compact cassettes sounded like crap, even when you lashed out and bought the "metal" ones. But we had no choice. You couldn't use LP's in the car so cassettes it was (8-Tracks never caught on in Australia so please refrain from telling me about how they were much better than CC)

    Fast forward 30 years and my main problem with music these days is that IT IS MOSTLY CRAP!

    To my aging ears, MP3's sound way better than cassette tapes ever did even at 128Kbs. Most of my 120Gb collection is ripped in 128-192K MP3 and I don't care. Most of the music I like was recorded in the analog days anyway, and besides, I'm sure my old ears aren't what they used to be.

    128K MP3s still sound better than any cassette tape ever did so I'm happy.

    Listening to 50 fucking cent pose and preen in 5.1 lossless audio? All I can say is not in my lifetime buddy.

    I'll take an antique recording of Canned Heat, Peter Green or Alvin Lee @ 128Mb any day thanks.

    Now, get off my damn lawn you goddamn whippersnappers!

  • Re:No they dont (Score:3, Insightful)

    by someone300 ( 891284 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @07:31AM (#25101921)

    conclusion : positioning is not only unimportant, but also deteriorating to the sound quality after 2.1 (or stereo), because noone ever sits in the middle of an orchestra or a rock band while listening to music.

    Only because they *can't* sit in the middle of a rock-band while listening to music. It's just not practical to do so, particularly in a crowd of more than five people.

    Given that it *is* practical to have more than two/three audio channels, and that human ears are able to sense direction in more than left to right (ever seen someone look behind them when there's a loud bang?), why not have more than two/three channels?

    Directional audio certainly enhances a film, there's no reason it can't enhance music either.

    For the sake of completeness, while humans only have two raw audio-in channels, they can hear things in a vague sound-sphere because of our mental processing and head related transfer functions. This is very much human-dependent and fairly difficult to emulate, and isn't done in most recordings. Greater than two channel sound is generally best we've currently got access to with most consumer level hardware.

  • by Jesus_666 ( 702802 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @08:54AM (#25102591)
    CDs are just as bad. They're hard to pick up and after a while they get all scratchy. Now if there only was some kind of packaging that would make them easier to handle and at the same time protect them...

    MicroSD cards are sold in ~5x4x1 cm cases. Less easy to lose. Maybe SlotMusic will come in larger cases so they can actually have cover art. In any way you won't have a dozen MicroSD cards just lying around.
  • by c ( 8461 ) <beauregardcp@gmail.com> on Monday September 22, 2008 @08:55AM (#25102595)

    > Why not include a 24-bit 192 or 96 khz lossless format, and maybe something in 5.1 instead?

    Because their target market is people who listen to music on computers, cell phones, and portable music players?

    c.

  • Re:And what else ? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Jesus_666 ( 702802 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @09:00AM (#25102657)
    Never happened to me. Maybe you'd want to buy keydisks that don't boldly advertise including the U3 stuff - in my experience those are easier to find and usualy cheaper than their U3 counterparts while still being very much usable and even decently fast. Buying devices that were specifically designed to offer a certain feature and then complaining about said feature is a bit weird.
  • by L4t3r4lu5 ( 1216702 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @09:25AM (#25102943)
    WMA?

    No, WMP needs to support FLAC. Or, people need to stop using the bundled player and use what THEY want instead of what the corps. want them to use.

    Isn't this how we got into this situation in the first place? Vendor lockin and loack of choice through market dominance?
  • Re:5.1 ? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ceoyoyo ( 59147 ) on Monday September 22, 2008 @10:05AM (#25103487)

    Because the audiophile world is even more based on pseudoscience than is the alternative medicine world.

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