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Hikers May Have Found Fossett Items 219

An Anonymous reader writes "CNN is reporting 'A weathered sweat shirt, cash and a pilot license with Fossett's name were found Tuesday near Mammoth Lakes, police Chief Randy Schienle said.' The license did not have a photo. '"We're not certain that it belongs to Steve Fossett, but it certainly has his name on the ID," Schienle said.'"
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Hikers May Have Found Fossett Items

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  • by Itsallmyfault ( 1015439 ) on Wednesday October 01, 2008 @11:00PM (#25228535)
    Nothing in any of the reports I've read said anything about the license being "partially burned"... and the hoaxer had so much money laying around he decided he'd add $1,000 to the find?
  • by MichaelSmith ( 789609 ) on Wednesday October 01, 2008 @11:02PM (#25228559) Homepage Journal

    This is a hoax.

    Yeah but who is the hoaxer?

  • he bailed out... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by saleenS281 ( 859657 ) on Wednesday October 01, 2008 @11:11PM (#25228649) Homepage
    if he jumped out of the plane it's ENTIRELY feasible that they found clothes and his ID, and no "plane parts".
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 01, 2008 @11:13PM (#25228663)

    Posted by samzenpus. Slashdot's resident Idle section contributor.

  • by vux984 ( 928602 ) on Wednesday October 01, 2008 @11:39PM (#25228841)

    One little flaw, they may be highly flammable but they are also highly transportable. If the plane EXPLODED, and if the hikers were where it exploded, sure.

    1) depending on the environment the hikers could have walked within 50 yards from the crash site and not seen it.

    2) even if he didn't survive, or died away from the crash site, animals could have wandered off with stuff either from the crash site, or from the site where he passed away.

    As someone else said a bear might easily be interested in taking a bite out of a leather wallet, or briefcase. It might also rip through a bag cotaining perhaps a sweater, and then strew its contents of anything it wasn't interested in along it path. Contents which might be moved further by weather or other animals...

  • Psuedocide (Score:2, Insightful)

    by RudeIota ( 1131331 ) on Wednesday October 01, 2008 @11:44PM (#25228881) Homepage
    He wouldn't be the first person to fake his own death.

    Andy Kaufman [museumofhoaxes.com] is a recent one I can think of.

    Here's a quick list of some psuedocides [wikipedia.org]. Obviously, it is not very complete though, since Andy Kaufman isn't listed... But I guess this kind of crap really happens. Perhaps, bored with living the life of a millionaire, Mr. Fossett decided to do something exciting, like "die". ;)
  • Re:Psuedocide (Score:3, Insightful)

    by abigor ( 540274 ) on Wednesday October 01, 2008 @11:51PM (#25228917)

    Andy Kaufman did not fake his death. That is a total urban legend, which is why it's not mentioned on that Wikipedia page.

    http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/kaufman.asp [snopes.com]

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 02, 2008 @12:55AM (#25229307)

    They'll tell you that Fossett was anything but "an amazing pilot". He wasn't exactly a terrible pilot, just nothing better than average, at best. What he did have was a willingness to fund adventures, so long as he was top dog.

    His money was greatly appreciated, but the attention-seeking man was merely tolerated. He wasn't hated, but nor was he required, beyond the financial aspect of his participation. But Fossett loved the glory and limelight, so he made it a precondition of funding a venture that he be the public face of it.

    Yes, I know this is going to be modded troll and flamebait, but at least I can say that I genuinely "knew" Fossett, and I don't like hearing people such as the OP claiming that Fossett was "an amazing pilot", when the fact is he couldn't have done shit without the help of the other people and pilots he funded.

  • by ShadowFalls ( 991965 ) on Thursday October 02, 2008 @01:13AM (#25229407)

    Why is it insane to think that the plane crashed for any whatever reason, and the guy survived? Wouldn't be the first person to survive a plane crash. It can take awhile to find a plane when you aren't looking in the right place, especially if the plane had a navigation problem and ended up flying off-course.

    Also, he could have survived the plane crash and traveled some distance but didn't get too far due to injuries. If he discovered the lake, it would be certainly possible he cleaned up, drank a little, etc. and left the stuff behind when emptying his pockets and the shirt from perhaps being hot.

    It wouldn't be too hard for someone to know what shirt he was wearing the day he left or confirm it was in fact his or not. Might even be able to identify fingerprints on the items if he had any on record or if you checked for fingerprints on his possessions.

  • by Macman408 ( 1308925 ) on Thursday October 02, 2008 @01:24AM (#25229493)

    No, it's not. The certificate has a small tear taken out of it. The other IDs didn't look to have fared quite as well, but also don't show any obvious burn marks - they're torn, tattered, and dirty. A year of exposure to the elements probably caused all the damage you see to those papers and the bills.

    More plausible: He was able to get the plane on the ground, probably destroyed it in the process, suffered significant injuries, and was unable to get help. He may have left some items behind, dropped them, or perhaps his body was disturbed by wildlife. I expect they'll find more evidence upon searching more thoroughly.

  • Maybe not (Score:2, Insightful)

    by tuxgeek ( 872962 ) on Thursday October 02, 2008 @01:42AM (#25229597)
    There are these wild dogs running around in the Sierras. Commonly referred to as Coyotes. They grab a bite here and there, whenever the opportunity presents itself. They have been known to drag some tasty morsel to a more favorable spot to munch. Can be miles.

    If the searchers expand their search from the find location, I'll bet they find the crash site.

    But no body, no 1,000 pounds of steel, no bits of rubber, no airplane seat bits, just a few, highly flammable personal items (clothing, ID) that happens to have the name "Steve Fosset" on it.

    Real airplane crashes are not like those you see on TV. Not everything explodes on impact. Small planes crashes usually just leave wreckage and carnage. Oh, and they are made of Aluminum, not steel. No sparks to ignite fuel or fumes.

    He probably lost power and went down in trees. The trees clip off the wings and the fuselage smashes into rocks or ground.

    I actually walked upon a fresh crash site while hiking in the Sierras many years ago. Some other hikers were there when I arrived. I didn't see it going down but noticed a wing embedded in a tree and went to investigate. It was pretty gruesome. 2 dead people and 1 survivor.

  • Oh, and... (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 02, 2008 @01:43AM (#25229617)

    They have a not-cheap-to-forge hologram on 'em.

    Yah, I have a mechanic's cert, and all that info is public. Same card will show my pilot rating someday.

  • by darkmeridian ( 119044 ) <william.chuangNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday October 02, 2008 @02:12AM (#25229765) Homepage

    I think the "hoax" crowd neglects the possibility that Fossett survived the crash and walked towards what he thought was civilization. The Lady Be Good" [qmfound.com] was a US bomber that went down in the desert during World War II. The crew bailed out and some of the survivors walked over a hundred miles in the scorching desert with only a very limited supply of food and water. Perhaps Fossett crash-landed and tried to survive off the land awaiting rescue. He might have became disoriented and left his ID and belongings behind, or even may have sought shelter in some gully and died there.

  • by evilviper ( 135110 ) on Thursday October 02, 2008 @03:55AM (#25230251) Journal

    What's found? A partially burned piece of some of the most flammable things on the plane, including a very small piece of PLASTIC that happens to have his name on it.

    Nobody said anything about the findings being burned, partially or otherwise.

    But no body, no 1,000 pounds of steel,

    Large, bulky items tend to stay right where they were put... Smaller and lighter items get picked up by winds, water (streams, rivers, etc.), etc.

    just a few, highly flammable personal items (clothing, ID)

    Yes, because the real world is just like the movies... where every crash causes an explosion and a raging inferno, even when the vehicle has run out of gas.

    Which is why there are no undiscovered crash sites, since someone always notices the raging inferno... And of course you don't actually find a downed plane, because noting remains after the necessary conflagration...

    This is a hoax.

    You are a moron.

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