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Report Claims 95% of Music Downloads Are Illegal 331

Un pobre guey writes "The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) press release claims that 95% of music file downloads in 2008, an estimated 40 billion files, were illegal. Oddly enough, digital music sales are up: 'The digital music business internationally saw a sixth year of expansion in 2008, growing by an estimated 25 per cent to US$3.7 billion in trade value. Digital platforms now account for around 20 per cent of recorded music sales, up from 15 per cent in 2007. Recorded music is at the forefront of the online and mobile revolution, generating more revenue in percentage terms through digital platforms than the newspaper (4%), magazine (1%) and film industries (4%) combined... Despite these developments, the music sector is still overshadowed by the huge amount of unlicensed music distributed online. Collating separate studies in 16 countries over a three-year period, IFPI estimates over 40 billion files were illegally file-shared in 2008, giving a piracy rate of around 95 per cent.'"
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Report Claims 95% of Music Downloads Are Illegal

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  • Inflation... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by alain94040 ( 785132 ) * on Friday January 16, 2009 @07:57PM (#26491105) Homepage

    From the report:

    Music companiesâ(TM) digital revenues internationally grew by an estimated 25 per cent in 2008

    I can think of a long list of other industries that would love to have that kind of growth given the current economy.

    Using an inflammatory and inflated claim that "95% of all downloads are pirated" is just showing how greedy the music industry is. But we all knew that already.

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  • by Just Some Guy ( 3352 ) <kirk+slashdot@strauser.com> on Friday January 16, 2009 @08:00PM (#26491123) Homepage Journal

    Advice to the RIAA: forget the piracy exists. You simply are not going to ever get money from those people - get over it. On the other hand, you're making more money than every from downloads and you should work to keep growing those figures. That's the only thing you can do, frankly. Fighting piracy is like punching marshmallows.

  • I call bullsh*t! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by girlintraining ( 1395911 ) on Friday January 16, 2009 @08:03PM (#26491147)

    How can they be sure 95% of them are illegal? Isn't this the same group that's for years been trying to track down who is downloading what and suing them? I mean, studies like this go to the honesty of the other person. And if people will lie about something as trivial as how many sexual partners they've had, what are the odds of people telling the truth here? Besides, if 95% of music downloads were illegal, that's a pretty strong argument that downloading music should be legalized, especially considering how pervasive it is and how ineffective enforcement has been to date.

    There are three kinds of lies...

  • by riceboy50 ( 631755 ) on Friday January 16, 2009 @08:04PM (#26491161)
    If you provide customer-friendly channels for obtaining music legally online, your sales will increase. Quit yer bellyachin' already.
  • Re:Inflation... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by a whoabot ( 706122 ) on Friday January 16, 2009 @08:08PM (#26491225)

    The sole fact that their digital revenues have gone up does not tell you much about the growth of the industry.

  • Re:Inflation... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 16, 2009 @08:14PM (#26491279)

    so did the artists themselves see at 25% increase as well, or are they being screwed on all sides now?

  • by CrackedButter ( 646746 ) on Friday January 16, 2009 @08:16PM (#26491293) Homepage Journal
    The thing is, I can download illegal music and then purchase legal music, does this mean they counted the illegal music as a lost sale even though I also bought legitimate music? How can anybody know what I'm doing. As you said there are lies...
  • by tmosley ( 996283 ) on Friday January 16, 2009 @08:17PM (#26491305)
    Are they including songs being played on MySpace pages? Unauthorized used on YouTube, etc?

    Sounds pretty stupid to me.
  • Okay, now (Score:5, Insightful)

    by willoughby ( 1367773 ) on Friday January 16, 2009 @08:20PM (#26491349)
    ...let's go through that list of "illegal" downloads & find what percentage are not available for "legal" purchase/download.

    In other words, how much of that music is not available from any "legal" source?
  • by mrsteveman1 ( 1010381 ) on Friday January 16, 2009 @08:30PM (#26491441)

    How can they be sure 95% of them are illegal?

    This is what is going on here. The media companies decide, beforehand, how much money they should be making in a given period of time, based on voodoo bullshit as far as i can tell, then if they don't make that much money they bitch about the pirates and blame losses on them.

    So while their digital revenue and legal downloads have probably gone up, the RIAA and the companies they represent think it should be going up MORE, a lot more apparently. The problem is they are fucking wrong, and have no credibility to say anything in public anymore.

  • 8 years ago... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by K_E_Morr ( 463022 ) on Friday January 16, 2009 @08:30PM (#26491451)

    100% of music downloads were illegal. Sounds like the RIAA is making progress

  • by future assassin ( 639396 ) on Friday January 16, 2009 @08:31PM (#26491467)
    Beacause I've paid for my right to legaly download all the music I can sice I paid levies on CD's I used to backup my photos.
  • by gotzero ( 1177159 ) on Friday January 16, 2009 @08:33PM (#26491487)
    This will turn out to be that 95% of music files downloaded were not downloaded legally from RIAA artists. There is a huge world world out there they are not looking at, both geographically and musically. There are massive amounts of unpaid but legal downloads from artists that allow D/Ls, international artists, and D/L services for pay or not that do not sell songs from RIAA artists, etc.
  • Re:Inflation... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by seanadams.com ( 463190 ) * on Friday January 16, 2009 @08:37PM (#26491545) Homepage

    Their digital revenue may be up, but their overall sales are way down once again, because almost nobody buys CDs anymore, and that was their main gravy train.

    Of course, who wants CDs when they could have something digital instead?

  • by timmarhy ( 659436 ) on Friday January 16, 2009 @08:37PM (#26491547)
    they can't be sure, i suspect they have arrived at his figure by checking for pirated content on torrent sites. so really they should be saying "95% of music on torrents is pirated". Which i would have no issue with - i think they would be right.

    the problem is they then leap straight to this dream land where every download is a sale they missed out on. most of their shit isn't worth a download when it's free, let alone 15$.

  • Re:Inflation... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by moderatorrater ( 1095745 ) on Friday January 16, 2009 @08:56PM (#26491757)
    The fact that the digital downloads grew from 25% and went from 20% of all sales to 25% of all sales says that overall sales remained the same (ie the digital downloads were direct cannibalization of physical purchases). The numbers themselves give that for a fact.

    Couple that with the economy right now and you could say that, since the rest of the economy has gone to shit, avoiding a decline was as good as they could have hoped for. In addition, you could say that since digital downloads make a la carte purchasing possible where physical sales require you to buy a whole cd, the popular songs are getting even more popular with digital downloads. I think that 4x the number of people downloading certain songs would be good overall for the music industry since concert sales are a big draw and everything else (generally) would remain even.

    That doesn't take into account the cost to produce a cd or the comparitive profit margins between the two. I don't know what those comparisons are and I'm not even going to guess at them since the rest of my post is based on things that are true and relatively simple extrapolations from that point, but I will say that I personally believe that the shift from physical to digital media isn't hurting their business, although it is definitely changing it. Let's call it a horizontal shift with opportunities to capitalize on the change.
  • Re:Absolutely! (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 16, 2009 @09:01PM (#26491835)

    Wow, what a dismal and petty future you paint for yourself. Incidentally most of us "Over 30 crowd" are the people that designed the technology you asshat whippersnappers use to illegally download stuff with.

    you disgust me.

  • Re:I have an idea (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Tape Operator ( 1003720 ) on Friday January 16, 2009 @09:04PM (#26491859)
    right, because you wouldn't want to actually listen to an creative commons music, now would you?
  • Pretty much (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Sycraft-fu ( 314770 ) on Friday January 16, 2009 @09:06PM (#26491897)

    Also if it really is that big and your sales are going up, well then what's the worry? Maybe it actually leads to MORE sales.

    The problem is they project this image, and indeed have this mentality, that copyright infringement is theft. No it isn't. The reason a retailer hates theft is because not only does it decrease sales, but it takes away an item they had for sale. That hurts the bottom line. If someone steals a bag of chips, I can't sell those chips to anyone else. So if I'm a retailer, I want to do everything I can to stop that (and even then retailers accept that some shrinkage is going to happen regardless).

    However if someone came in to my store, made a perfect copy of a bag of chips and then started handing out those copies for free. Well I'd be less miffed. Maybe I'm losing some sales now, but it isn't as though anything has been taken from me. Now suppose that when someone does that my sales don't go down, they in fact go up. People decide they want to come in and buy more chips, or other things I offer. Despite the free stuff being given away, I make more money. Well hell in this case I'd be happy. Let them hand out free stuff all day long if it makes me more money.

    They just have this unrealistic greedy idea that if there was a magical system that could stop all copyright infringement, they'd get 20x the sales and thus 20x the profits. Ummm no. At best, you'd probably stay the same (the only empirical study of this ever done by Harvard and UNC found copying has no statistically significant effect on sales) at worst your sales would go down. They need to stop living in a fantasy world and be ahppy with what they've got.

  • by gbarules2999 ( 1440265 ) on Friday January 16, 2009 @09:10PM (#26491945)
    Because it was cheap (only $5) and you could share it with your friends (CC). People like both. People buy both. Are the music labels even listening? It works!
  • by riceboy50 ( 631755 ) on Friday January 16, 2009 @09:18PM (#26492027)
    You are overlooking one crucial point. To the average user, buying a song from iTunes is easier than finding a reliable p2p service, installing the software (and possibly configuring it properly), and searching for the songs they want which may have several versions and different availability. Simply put, it's possible to make the legal channels much easier and friendly to use.
  • Re:Inflation... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by commodore64_love ( 1445365 ) on Friday January 16, 2009 @09:51PM (#26492305) Journal

    Actually I've seen a report over at highdefforum.com which said, even though digital media has increased, sales of CDs have decreased, thereby giving the record companies a net loss in revenue ($1 songs aren't as profitable as $12 CDs).

    Oh well.

    Cry me a river. What we're basically seeing is a return to the 1950s and 1960s when singles routinely outsold albums. The record companies survived that time period just fine, and they can survive its rebirth.

  • by tick-tock-atona ( 1145909 ) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @01:49AM (#26494073)
    Actually, that just shows that no-one who listens to Lil Wayne was smart enough to go to TPB and download it for free.
  • by polle404 ( 727386 ) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @04:44AM (#26494995)
    well, unfortunately the legislators don't make laws for the common voters, only for those that vote with corporate 'donations'.
  • Re:WTF? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Fallen Seraph ( 808728 ) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @06:12AM (#26495387)
    I love how you try SO hard to take his comment apart, but apparently failed at reading it. You see, there's this thing called context, where you actually have to read the words AROUND a phrase or sentence to fully understand the meaning.

    The poster did not say that marketing is always constant at all times under all circumstances. The poster said that, comparing marketing for a song that is distributed digitally, or one that's distributed physically, the difference, if there even is one, is negligible. If an artist is popular with a certain demographic, you're most likely going to be marketing to that group in the same way, regardless of how it's distributed. The difference between having a brick and mortar store erect a cardboard stand to advertise a cd isn't all that different from the price to have a digital music store show an ad for the album on their homepage. So yes, the net impact of marketing is almost nothing in this comparison, as the marketing strategy would be unlikely to change one way or the other.

    Please learn to actually read comments you're replying to before flaming them.
  • Re:Inflation... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Jurily ( 900488 ) <jurily&gmail,com> on Saturday January 17, 2009 @06:22AM (#26495437)

    The record companies survived that time period just fine, and they can survive its rebirth.

    I hope not. I want good music :(

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