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US CTO Choice Down To a Two-Horse Race 284

Posted by CmdrTaco
from the i-swear-i'm-qualified dept.
theodp writes "Barack Obama apparently didn't return CmdrTaco's call. BusinessWeek reports that the choices for the first US CTO have narrowed, and it's now a two-horse race between Padmasree Warrior, Cisco's CTO, and Vivek Kundra, who holds the same title for the Government of the District of Columbia. Two very different resumes — which would you advise Obama to pick?" I just know I was #3 on the list.
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US CTO Choice Down To a Two-Horse Race

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  • by Blakey Rat (99501) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:07PM (#26517241)

    Well, Cisco sucks. And the government of D.C. sucks. So if I had to choose, I'd go by whoever was wearing the longest tie last time I met them.

    • by fm6 (162816) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:21PM (#26517445) Homepage Journal

      Right, the government sucks, so by no means should you consider working for the government, even if the point of the particular job they're offering you is to make the government less sucky. I guess the suckiness of government is somebody else's problem.

      You know, your attitude sucks.

      • Mod parent up. Never understood this particular American obsession with tearing down the government and then proudly claiming it sucks. Sounds insane to me.
        • by rufus t firefly (35399) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:35PM (#26517639) Homepage

          Mod parent up. Never understood this particular American obsession with tearing down the government and then proudly claiming it sucks. Sounds insane to me.

          Blame Ronnie Raygun. He popularized the idea that "government is the problem" [reaganlibrary.com], while blowing enormous quantities of money on militarization, possibly in hopes of bankrupting the federal government [thenation.com]. Never trust someone to run something when they believe it's a stupid idea to begin with, they'll usually just mess it up [nytimes.com].

          • by filthpickle (1199927) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:54PM (#26517899)
            I think the phrase "close enough for government work" predates Ronnie "50 megatons hurts bad" Raygun. Which suggests to me that he didn't inspire the feeling.

            an interesting aside to this aside...I googled that phrase to see when it first started to be used. There seems to be some sentiment that it used to mean 'work of the highest quality' but got changed to mean shoddy work somewhere along the way. Either way, it's had the negative connotation since at least the '60's.
            • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

              by Mr. Jaggers (167308)

              Yeah, check out Grover Norquist. He (and one of his proteges, Jack Abramoff) were instrumental in the early movement to end liberalism in government by simply bankrupting the taxpayers, as well as promoting the hiring of ideologues for key federal administrative positions rather than screening for qualification.

              Check out The Wrecking Crew by Thomas Frank... it's certainly not unbiased, but it's well-sourced, follows the history of neo-conservatism fairly accurately, and nails down all the major sticking poi

          • by FireStormZ (1315639) on Monday January 19, 2009 @02:10PM (#26518103)

            "Blame Ronnie Raygun"

            Oh lol, how original...

            "He popularized the idea that "government is the problem"

            Actually that idea was popularized by the founding fathers who knew that Government sucked so bad that it needed a leash (B.O.R) and that the 10th was needed to keep the federal government in its place. Having lived in two very Different states (NY and Minnesota) I can tell you tat some government suck less (Minnesota) than others (NY) but given the fact the states are to be laboratories of democracy the federal government almost always sucks.

            "militarization, possibly in hopes of bankrupting the federal government."

            Horse manure, link or not its still horse manure. RR was trying to bankrupt the Soviet government not the US government something he successfully did.

            • by Roxton (73137) <roxton@gmail . c om> on Monday January 19, 2009 @02:21PM (#26518217) Homepage Journal

              "He popularized the idea that "government is the problem"

              Actually that idea was popularized by the founding fathers who knew that Government sucked so bad that it needed a leash

              Uh-huh. You do realize that one of the first actions of our founding fathers was to buy up state debt to establish national credit, right?

              • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

                by FireStormZ (1315639)

                "Uh-huh. You do realize that one of the first actions of our founding fathers was to buy up state debt to establish national credit, right?"

                And what was done with that credit... oh yea they were building up a national defense...

            • by Colin Smith (2679) on Monday January 19, 2009 @02:28PM (#26518307)

              It took a Bush to bankrupt the USA[1].

              [1] In fact, the USA declared bankruptcy on 15th August 1971, and it was Nixon wot did it.
               

              • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

                by FireStormZ (1315639)

                Its a cultural problem. California (dems) has been going bankrupt for years, so has NY (dems and rinos), and a fed run mostly by the GOP... The fact is *both* parties are so busy buying our votes that there is no hope of getting out of debt..

                • Lord knows I am going to get slammed for this...but where is the white guy?

                  I am afraid that Congress, behind closed doors, is still a racist institution. I'm afraid that either person will not be as succesful in navigating those waters with ties back to India. (Or Russia, or China, etc.)

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by steelfood (895457)

            I'll accept the idea that the government is the problem, only if it means getting rid of government-sanctioned monopolies (IP) and government-sanctioned non-existent individuals (corporations).

            If a government exists, it has to do its job regulating, taxing, and doling out benefits. If it doesn't exist, then it should not be doing anything. Following any intermediate path is just a method for the powerful to remain in power.

        • We have been jaded by a lot of experience interacting with our government.
        • by WCguru42 (1268530) on Monday January 19, 2009 @02:34PM (#26518357)
          The government really began to stink it up when it became possible to make a career out of being a politician. Back in the day, and I mean way back when, work in the US government was considered a service to the country and not a means to make oneself rich. The combination of capitalism and government was a terrible idea and there needs to be some reform to change the wealth in the political system. Just my personal opinion.
        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Mod parent up. Never understood this particular American obsession with tearing down the government and then proudly claiming it sucks. Sounds insane to me.

          It's a tradition that dates back to 1776.

        • by Blakey Rat (99501) on Monday January 19, 2009 @04:45PM (#26519951)

          Cripes. I never said "the government sucks."

          At best, I said "the government of D.C. sucks". Is this like No Reading Comprehension Day on Slashdot? Do people not realize that the city of Washington D.C. has a government which is distinct from that of the Federal Government? WTF.

          Some idiot puts words into my mouth and suddenly I'm Anti-Citizen Number 1.

      • by KeithJM (1024071) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:47PM (#26517817) Homepage

        Well, Cisco sucks. And the government of D.C. sucks.

        Right, the government sucks, so by no means should you consider working for the government

        I won't defend the guy's attitude, but if you RTFS (S = summary), one of the candidates worked for the Government of DC. So he wasn't saying "All governments suck so I wouldn't work for one," he was saying "the DC government sucks so I wouldn't promote one of their C?Os."

      • by Quiet_Desperation (858215) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:56PM (#26517931)

        The problem is that replacing one person, even at the top, never seems to mitigate the suckiness.

        The suck is spread wide and deeply entrenched, which is not nearly as fun as it sounds.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by fm6 (162816)

          It's true, one person working alone can't fix anything. Which is precisely why the pervasive cynicism is self-fulfilling.

          A certain politician just got himself elected POTUS almost purely because he convinced a lot of people that he knows how to change all that. Maybe he's full of it, maybe not. But if he actually does what he claims he can do, it won't be through any top-down process. It'll be him and a lot of other people working with him, not for him.

          Yeah, I drank the Obama koolaid. Still waiting to see i

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by mark72005 (1233572)
      Quit worrying people. Tomorrow at the stroke of noon, all our problems end. Everyone will love everyone. Our savior will fix the economy with a wave of his hand. The gubment will start paying my mortgage. All conflicts around the world will cease. Mini-golf scores will be way down. Bowling scores will be way up. And we'll have the most excellent waterslides of any civilization we communicate with.
  • Option 6 (Score:5, Funny)

    by IceCreamGuy (904648) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:08PM (#26517275) Homepage
    Sorry Mr. Taco, I have to go with the CowboyNeal option here.
  • by Improv (2467) <pgunn@dachte.org> on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:10PM (#26517309) Homepage Journal

    The Iraqi Information Minister? He'd at least be entertaining..

  • by Black-Man (198831) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:10PM (#26517313)

    Can't they off shore this position to Pune? What better choice for corrupt politicians than to choose Satyam? Sounds like a match made in... whatever.

  • Cisco Guvmint (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Ardipithecus (985280) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:13PM (#26517327)

    Didn't know either existed.

    On the basis that Cisco functions and makes money, while DC is a disaster, Cisco_guy++.

    • Re:Cisco Guvmint (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:26PM (#26517501)

      On the basis that Cisco functions and makes money, while DC is a disaster, Cisco_guy++.

      Have you ever worked with Cisco? I have and it was a nightmare. They are a horribly inefficient bureaucracy that makes money by leveraging their existing client base and giving purchasers all the hookers and blow they need to get them to sign. They owned 10% of a company I worked for, then decided to buy one of our failed competitors and try to compete against us. Said competitor failed for a reason, so when that flopped they tried to strong arm us into canceling our product in that market. When that failed they spent millions more to buy two more firms we had driven out of business because their products were so much worse than ours.

      Their main problem is that they can make okay hardware, but they suck at software and they really, really, really suck at user interfaces and integration of products. Their corporate ethics are in the toilet with their standing layoffs policy and they're more than happy to push crappy solutions on all their "partners" and big customers while forgetting to mention that they won't touch the same solution with a ten foot pole for use on their own network.

      So yeah they're terrible, which is still probably not as bad as Washington DC.

      • Re:Cisco Guvmint (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Valdrax (32670) on Monday January 19, 2009 @02:08PM (#26518085)

        So yeah they're terrible, which is still probably not as bad as Washington DC.

        I'd like to point out that the guy from Washington DC also has private sector experience if you're worried about icky public sector cooties getting all over your new public sector employee. He's also very big on open and transparent government. His resume's a bit light to figure out how good he'll be, but he's probably got a huge leg-up on working with people in Washington.

        The lady from Cisco, however, managed a doomed subsidiary of Motorola based on an uneconomical GaAs-on-Si technology before eventually presiding as CTO over the continued slow decline of a company that hasn't had an exciting product since the RAZR years ago before moving on to fill a position at Cisco which had been vacant for two years. While she does want to see more funding for fundamental research and development (not surprising given her fabrication background), the association with Motorola and Cisco does not scream the best and brightest of the private sector to me. Given her academic credentials, she's probably very brilliant, but I don't see how that's translated into success for her companies.

  • Doesn't matter (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MikeRT (947531) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:13PM (#26517339) Homepage

    Either way, the position is going to be mostly a figurehead. Unless Obama delegates some serious executive power over the federal bureaucracy, this will just be a cushy job for the next several years.

    The CTO needs to be able to override agency decisions, put mandates on them and punish them for non-compliance. I seriously doubt that Obama is going to go that far. One of the first ones should be to stop the Oracle lovefest, and make it federal policy to stop using Oracle on most federal systems that have less than a few hundred users.

    • Re:Doesn't matter (Score:4, Insightful)

      by fm6 (162816) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:24PM (#26517483) Homepage Journal

      Unless Obama delegates some serious executive power over the federal bureaucracy, this will just be a cushy job for the next several years.

      I completely agree. But, at the risk of suffering a crisis of cynicism, perhaps you could explain why you're so certain that Obama won't delegate serious power to this position?

    • Fall guy (Score:3, Interesting)

      by HalAtWork (926717)
      No, they're just hiring a fall guy.
    • by erroneus (253617)

      He will delegate some power to the post, but only until that position butts heads with a heavy contributor and then that position will be rendered useless. The very moment that person attempts to care about the open format of public records or any other such thing, you will see Adobe and Microsoft trying to get him fired. We saw it in Massachusetts and I don't see it going down any differently in Washington.

  • Answer is obvious? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by CannonballHead (842625) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:14PM (#26517343)

    If I had to choose between the two, which apparently I would (not that my decision makes ANY difference whatsoever), I'd have to go with the dude from Cisco. He at least has his roots, however good they may be, in a business and not a "cushy government job."

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by jellomizer (103300)

      Yea but he will make those federal employees actually work hard. They already think they are working hard, But when a guy from the private sector comes in. They run straight to the union... vs. actually just doing the work.

      • by ruin20 (1242396)
        Despite popular opinion, there are plenty of hard working people in the government. Problem is we have no mechanism to fire people so when someone screws up really bad where they don't deserve a second chance, there really is no way to get rid of them. So they sit on their thumbs. If you know a government employ who is not hard at work its either because they can't be trusted with real work (either incompetent or too lazy to be trusted with completing the task on time)

        The real issue here is that in this s

    • by stoolpigeon (454276) * <bittercode@gmail> on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:19PM (#26517415) Homepage Journal

      the dude from cisco is a woman.

    • As with much procurement, one of the big problems with IT in government is that it's more geared towards the profit needs of the contractors than towards the actual IT needs of the government---it buys what companies want to sell it.

      It seems like a Cisco guy is pretty unlikely to put an end to that, since Cisco has a nice gravy train [cisco.com]. Though I guess it's better than an Oracle guy.

    • Ungrateful twat (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:23PM (#26517455)

      You leeches, you scrimp on your taxes, never thank the government, and then have the gall to tar all public servents - people who spend their best years serving YOU - with the same, tired accusations. Tell me, how to you square the 'public service = cushy' claim with the 'US = most powerful country' circle? Do you think the infrastructure, social safety net, military, judiciary, etc., all just run on automatic?

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Xest (935314)

        As someone who worked in British public sector, a nation that is also very powerful in the world and that arguably has better social safety than the US (free healtcare for one) I can assure you it's nothing to do with hard work in public sector.

        Speaking to people from the US and in many other countries about it when I have I get the impression public sector is pretty much the same in large parts of the world.

        The reason it does it's job is because it has vast amounts of money thrown at it and 3 people to eve

    • by Martin Blank (154261) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:24PM (#26517467) Journal

      Padmasree Warrior is a woman.

      Still, I don't trust most people from Cisco any further than I can throw a 6509. A few exceptions aside, their best people seem to leave to form other, more interesting (and ethical) companies. I know that sales people in general are not to be trusted, but Cisco reps seem to have carved their own special niche on that point.

      • Would you have preferred instead a technologist from AT&T, Verizon, etc? Cisco is the "good guy" by comparison.

        • by Valdrax (32670)

          Would you have preferred instead a technologist from AT&T, Verizon, etc? Cisco is the "good guy" by comparison.

          A) That's a false dichotomy. There are plenty of better companies to choose from.
          B) What makes Cisco a "good guy" in comparison? Who do you think it selling repressive regimes the technology to control the internet? Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
          C) How about someone competent at management instead of a "good guy" or "bad guy?" Cisco may be an industry juggernaut, but has the name Cisco ever been equated with awesome management in your mind? How about Motorola, which is where she's spent the

      • by boyko.at.netqos (1024767) on Monday January 19, 2009 @04:00PM (#26519371)

        Padmasree Warrior is a woman.

        And a Jedi.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by The Cydonian (603441)
          A popular Malayali surname; it's often transliterated as 'Warrier' or 'Variar' as well. In fact, there was an Indian minister with the exact same surname, just transliterated differently in English.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:29PM (#26517565)

      The "dude from Cisco" is a woman. But she's not really "from" Cisco, she came there in the past year from Motorola. And my impression is that she didn't do that great a job at Motorola, and I haven't really heard anything worthwhile out of her while she's been at Cisco. So, I'd go with the other dude.

    • by ecn5093 (948788) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:43PM (#26517759)
      Obviously you have done zero research into these two candidates. To begin with the "dude from Cisco" is a female who used to be CTO for Motorola. Let's take a look at how well Motorola had been doing under her "direction". They are still feeling the ill effects of that. While I know nothing about Vivek, I do know that I would not want someone who has run a historically innovative company like Motorola into the ground!
  • by GaryOlson (737642) <slashdot@garyol s o n.org> on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:14PM (#26517351) Journal
    SMARTnet contracts in perpetuity for everyone provided by the US Government!

    Does not matter who is chosen: the industry guy will tire of the endless petty bureaucrats and quit in 18 months. Then we get the government lacky anyway; and, we get free technology for everyone.
  • by Dan667 (564390) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:15PM (#26517359)
    seriously? I worked at Motorola when Padmasree was there and I have seen more tech success in that period watching my lawn grow.
    • by CE@UIC (14343) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:46PM (#26517795)

      I'll second that. I also worked for Moto during that time also and the only impressive thing that came out of the office of the CTO was the lack of innovation coming out of the office.
      The CTO of the country doesn't need to be someone with an impressive resume who's never actually done anything or created anything substantial, it needs to be someone who has actual experience innovating and growing innovation.

  • by lbmouse (473316)

    What?!? Ted Stevens wasn't available?

    We need someone in there that understand that the internets are not like a big truck but rather a series of tubes.

  • Humm... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by LWATCDR (28044) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:16PM (#26517375) Homepage Journal

    Two Indian born CTOs are the two top runners. Is this a statment about.
    1. Diversity?
    2. The lack of US citizens going into the tech sector.
    3. Stereotyping?

    Me I would vote for Vivek Kundra. I think he would see things from a customers point of view vs a vendors point of view.

  • Vivek (Score:5, Informative)

    by duffbeer703 (177751) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:16PM (#26517379)

    Is a big advocate of Google -- he transitioned the entire city government to Google Apps.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    also, vivek and kundra talent trees need more buffs.

  • Well, which one has more horse sense?

  • China (Score:4, Interesting)

    by geekmansworld (950281) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:36PM (#26517657) Homepage
    Given that Cisco is the company that provided China with most of its network solutions for the so-called "Great Firewall", I should hope that tips the scales slightly in Kundra's favor.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by The Moof (859402)

      Given that Cisco is the company that provided China with most of its network solutions for the so-called "Great Firewall"

      And you don't think that somewhere, some agency is looking at that as a positive? Especially considering the wiretapping/network monitoring in recent years...

  • by capsteve (4595) * on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:36PM (#26517665) Homepage Journal
    i actually think either of these guys would be fine. the fact that we are getting a US CTO is a good first step. face facts:the first US CTO will prolly have a hard start until the rest of the government finally step in line and actually realize that a CTO is needed in these times.
    there's gonna be some oldtime hardliners who'll remember "a time when there wasn't a fancy-pants US CTO, and don't really see a need for one..." once the prejudice and ignorance are washed away, then the CTO will actually make a difference.
    on a side note, what happened with talk of Bill Joy becoming CTO? not to taut nativism, but he is an American(born and bred), author of vi, backbone of the original BSD rollout and co-founder of Sun.
    whats up with that?
    • by bsharma (577257)
      Andy Grove, Bill Gates, Irwin Jacobs, Steve Jobs (if healthy enough) would also be good choices.
  • by Quiet_Desperation (858215) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:44PM (#26517769)
    Leo Laporte!
  • Kobayashi Maru (Score:5, Insightful)

    by viridari (1138635) on Monday January 19, 2009 @01:51PM (#26517853)

    Do you want to die by way of eaten by sharks, or would you rather have wolves?

    I honestly don't think either candidate is qualified for the position. We already know that Cisco is willfully ignorant, even hostile, towards FOSS and I imagine quite a lot of that mindset is endorsed by the CTO's office.

    Is it too late to clean the slate and start over?

    • On a day to day basis I work with Cisco, and with their product lines. While they don't open source their own code, they do showcase how relevant Linux is as a platform to deploy critical network systems on.

      They are moving everything, from routers, to firewalls, to voice system on Linux kernels (as well as providing the proper credit). From this foundation they run their own proprietary code. Their is nothing ignorant or hostile with using and crediting open source software, while still retaining intellectu

  • Dagoth Ur for CTO!
  • Warrior == Poor (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Masters Champion (855000) on Monday January 19, 2009 @02:03PM (#26518013)
    I can't say anything about the other person, but Ms. Warrior would be a disastrous pick, IMHO. I had some contact with her when she was CTO at Motorola and I came away from that experience thinking she was:

    1. Was a poor leader
    2. Did not consider opinions other than her own on making decisions.
    3. Was really not very knowledgeable
    4. Was only out for her own advancement


    Perhaps these are the attributes of many successful executives, but don't strike me as qualities you want in a civil servant.

    Did you ever have contact with a person of real power/wealth/influence and come away thinking "How did they EVER get to where they are?" The older I get, the more I think success requires some work + many connections + a lot of luck.

    It looks like the last might strike Ms. Warrior here again pretty soon.
  • by Danathar (267989) on Monday January 19, 2009 @02:23PM (#26518241) Journal

    Kundra replaced all of D.C. gov's word and exchange infrastructure with google apps.

    Wonder if he would push that for the whole federal government?

    • by Valdrax (32670)

      Kundra replaced all of D.C. gov's word and exchange infrastructure with google apps.

      Wonder if he would push that for the whole federal government?

      Would that be a good thing -- both in terms of changing from giving one powerful vendor a monopoly on services to another and in terms of security? Plus, would this really do anything to move us away from keeping things in MS formats since Google Apps work with them?

  • by colinmcnamara (1152427) on Monday January 19, 2009 @02:23PM (#26518247) Homepage

    As Cisco's CTO Padmasree Warrior has led many changes inside of Cisco.

    1. Green DataCenter initiatives - She has led the charge in lowering power consumption of existing DataCenters by utilizing new technologies, as well as consolidating sites. This has a direct financial impact, as well as being good for the environment.

    2. Focus on collaborative tools and teams - she has really pushed to break down the silo's between teams by providing the tools and technologies to seamlessly share information between teams.

    Most importantly, she is a forward thinking technologist, not a bureaucrat. If I am going to trust anybody to drive the technical vision of the federal government, I am going to trust Padmasree.

    • Absolutely not! (Score:3, Interesting)

      by dtmos (447842)

      I hate to break this to you, but neither one of those initiatives is unique to Cisco. Both of those were corporate initiatives at Motorola while she was there, and they weren't even novel then -- most companies had them, the green initiative due to EU regulations and public relations in general, and the breaking down of silos because it was the latest wave in management self-help books. (Motorola, in particular, had a severe silo problem, known as the "warring tribes.")

      After watching her career for the la

  • by Steve1952 (651150) on Monday January 19, 2009 @02:39PM (#26518419)
    Not to quibble, but isn't this really a Chief Information Officer position, rather than a CTO position? I would expect a Chief Technical Officer to know much more than just information technology.
  • by gabroo (635458) on Monday January 19, 2009 @04:36PM (#26519833)

    Most posts here seem to be generalizations based on little to no facts, and I can't see how that's helping the discussion.

    Can't speak for the Cisco lady, but Kundra has been kicking serious butt in DC. He's run tech start-ups and runs his agency the same way: aggressive, frugal, and with little tolerance for those that don't performance. Here's a Washington Post article on him from a few weeks ago: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/04/AR2009010401235.html [washingtonpost.com]

    He created hundreds of data feeds in his first few months in office to make DC one of the most open governments around. Then a few months ago, he hosted an open competition with $20k of prizes for anyone to create innovative applications using these data feeds.

    • by aestas (1456651) on Monday January 19, 2009 @04:52PM (#26520041)
      I totally agree. As a citizen of DC, I can attest to how Vivek has revolutionized the city. Anything that needs to be done from a simple change of address to locating the closest snow plow can be found online. The new WMATA website allows me to get real time trane information to ensure there is no waiting on the platforms - and even better this can all be done from my iPhone - drive by Vivek's "Apps for Democracy" contest.
  • by Assmasher (456699) on Monday January 19, 2009 @04:42PM (#26519909) Journal

    ... No self respecting person with a competent technical background would ever stoop to making their living regurgitating phrases like "win/win" and "low hanging fruit". Go with the CISCO chick with the wicked cool name :).

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