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Watch the Obama Inauguration With Moonlight 197

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bigmonachus writes "Miguel de Icaza has posted on his blog that linux users will be able to watch the Obama inauguration using Moonlight. Just go to the Moonlight download page to get it. He also said that some Microsoft engineers worked hard last night to make this happen."
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Watch the Obama Inauguration With Moonlight

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  • A point for MS (Score:5, Insightful)

    by uberhipduck (910616) on Tuesday January 20, 2009 @09:27AM (#26527787)
    And we thought all MS Engineers were evil. My hope in humanity has been restored.
    • by Zerth (26112) on Tuesday January 20, 2009 @10:10AM (#26528151)

      Nah, they just did it because they found out they were part of the 15,000 being laid off.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by aliquis (678370)

      Did they change something in the presentation videothingy or did they added some support/fixes into moonlight? I'd assume the later which indeed was very nice of them :)

      • Re:A point for MS (Score:5, Informative)

        by shutdown -p now (807394) on Tuesday January 20, 2009 @01:16PM (#26530743) Journal

        They've basically provided a separate Silverlight 1.0 player that's tested to be compatible with Moonlight. If you go to the website, you'll see that you have to click a special link to navigate to that player - the main one will still complain that you don't have Silverlight 2.0 installed.

        Well, it's good enough for now.

    • by LWATCDR (28044)

      They are as good to Linux users as a fisherman is good to trout. Hey look free food.

      • Maybe I'm just cynical ("maybe"?) but it seems to me that now, by waiting until the last moment to "help", they've still effectively prevented most Linux users (and Mac? Not sure about Mac...) from being able to watch their proprietary feed, while retaining the ability to point to the fact that they did anything at all to say "See how helpful we are?"
        • Re:A point for MS (Score:4, Insightful)

          by murdocj (543661) on Tuesday January 20, 2009 @06:07PM (#26537401)

          Yes, you are overly cynical. Let's face it, for some folks MS just can't win... if they implement something early, it's a trap, if they implement it just in time, they are just making the gesture, and if they don't implement it, they are trying to squash the competition. How about just appreciating the fact that some MS employees work hard to support a platform that competes directly with their own?

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by Darby (84953)

            How about just appreciating the fact that some MS employees work hard to support a platform that competes directly with their own?

            Because that's not what happened? The "platform" in question is Silverlight. That competes with Flash, so they worked hard to support their platform *against* the competition. This has nothing at all to do with Linux as a platform versus Windows as a platform.

            So there is nothing at all here to appreciate. It was obviously a completely self-serving action.

            Pay just a little bit of

            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              by murdocj (543661)

              From the Moonlight download page:

              "Moonlight is an open source implementation of Microsoft Silverlight for Unix systems."

              So MS engineers worked overtime to make an opensource implementation of their product work on a an OS that competes with Windows. Which is what I said.

              And I noticed that you didn't have an answer for the point of my post, which was that on something like this, MS is going to take crap no matter what they do.

    • DO NOT INSTALL (Score:5, Informative)

      by dotancohen (1015143) on Tuesday January 20, 2009 @12:17PM (#26529845) Homepage

      I do not know which extension is conflicting with the mono extension, but Firefox now takes over 4 minutes to start up, and the same amount of time to load google. I thought that it was locked up, but I decided to sit it out to see if it would work. It did, after four minutes! Kubuntu 8.04, Firefox 3.0.5.

      I have a few extensions, so with 4+ minute startup times it is slow going finding out where the conflict is. I use the all in one sidebar, autoauth cookieculler, flashblock, link alert, locationbar limit, locationbar2, menu editor, no squint, openbook, repagination, scrapbook, searchwith, stylish, tagsifter, text link, tiny menu, tree style tab, vimperator, and web developer. If you use any of these, then be forewarned!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 20, 2009 @09:29AM (#26527811)

    "Microsoft engineers worked hard last night to make this happen."

    Didn't they say the same thing about Windows XP a week before release?

  • I am not sure why they just didn't use Flash. I guess Microsoft paid them a lot of money. At least with flash you have native support for Linux, Windows, Mac OS, Solaris, PowerPC Macs. With the GNU Flash equivalent you also allow some of the BSD guys to watch too.

    While I am happy that they made an open source port so quickly however. It is just a hack for a one time occasion. For people with different needs will still be left out in the cold.

    • by morgan_greywolf (835522) on Tuesday January 20, 2009 @09:38AM (#26527893) Homepage Journal

      To be honest, between Silverlight/Moonlight and Flash, Silverlight/Moonlight is obviously the superior technology. It's also, ironically, the more open of the two.

      And we've known for a long, long time that Flash was junk. It's just that now that Microsoft has their own competing technology, all of a sudden we're like "What's wrong with Flash?"

      Seriously. Just because you or I may not like Microsoft, you have to give props where props are due.

      • I understand your point that you are talking to the general slashdot crowd. But I personally have been on record neutral or favorable of flash.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        To be honest, between Silverlight/Moonlight and Flash, Silverlight/Moonlight is obviously the superior technology. It's also, ironically, the more open of the two.

        Do enlighten me, how is silverlight superior in such an obvious way? It's not as if flash was standing still for the last 4 years.
        Do you honestly think mono will ever be on par to .NET? Not just talking about versions here. I mean really, have you even seen a program using winforms on linux, because it just looks broken most of the time(just as broken as 2 years ago).
        Anyway have fun.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by palegray.net (1195047)

      It is just a hack for a one time occasion.

      Ummm... I just took the ten seconds to install the Moonlight plugin for Firefox 3 (running under Ubuntu 8.04 i386). After I'm done watching the presidential inauguration, what precisely is stopping me from continuing to use the plugin to interact with other Silverlight-based content?

      Listen, I'm a fairly serious open source developer myself, and I'm excited about a new technology that attempts to rectify some of the shortcomings we've all suffered from with Flash. Why can't you just give credit where it's

      • by sumdumass (711423)

        Ummm... I just took the ten seconds to install the Moonlight plugin for Firefox 3 (running under Ubuntu 8.04 i386). After I'm done watching the presidential inauguration, what precisely is stopping me from continuing to use the plugin to interact with other Silverlight-based content?

        I'm not saying it was done this way but the pesemistic side wants to think that the changes made might have been made in the streaming format specific to this event also. That would mean that after it's done with, it won't wo

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by mweather (1089505)

        Ummm... I just took the ten seconds to install the Moonlight plugin for Firefox 3 (running under Ubuntu 8.04 i386). After I'm done watching the presidential inauguration, what precisely is stopping me from continuing to use the plugin to interact with other Silverlight-based content?

        Perhaps other content requires features not yet implemented. Are they using DRM for the inauguration? I doubt it. Do most silverlight videos use DRM? Yes. That's kind of it's selling point right now due to Adobe's buggy easily circumvented DRM.

      • by b4dc0d3r (1268512)

        Ummm...

        If you are using dictation software, please let me know which one because mine doesn't get the number of "m"s accurate, and completely skips ellipses.

        Otherwise, you may not be familiar with this intartubes thingy, but you can actually stop to think about what you're typing so you don't have all of the "um", "uh", and other filler words that people use to give themselves time to think. Take all the time you want. And yes, I swear to your chosen deity I will punch the next person who says "umm, hell

    • by dreemernj (859414)
      They went with something better than flash. It isn't as widely adopted but things like this will increase the rate it is adopted.

      The new code MS developers contributed recently may have been quickly implemented, but it really is ignorant to the work that's been going on to refer to MoonLight as a quickly made port/hack. It's been in development since 2007. It's not for a one time occasion.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by RAMMS+EIN (578166)

      ``I am not sure why they just didn't use Flash.''

      Here's a novel idea: why don't they just use a STANDARD VIDEO FORMAT? These can be played on pretty much any computer. No need to complicate things by adding Flash/Silverlight/ActiveX/gremlins to the mix.

      • by PitaBred (632671)
        Yes there is. Microsoft doesn't profit and get Silverlight installed on thousands upon thousands of PC's if they use a standard video format.
      • by isorox (205688)

        Here's a novel idea: why don't they just use a STANDARD VIDEO FORMAT?

        Because the majority of the browser market doesn't support the <video> tag

      • by Toonol (1057698)
        Flash is proprietary, but it's very close to being a standard video format despite that. I would bet 75% or more of internet streaming video is in that format.

        What is another good standardized streaming video format? MPEG and several others are decent, but don't necessary stream well. A download-then-play format won't work. Quicktime just sucks from top to bottom. There's other solutions that are free and standard (the BBC's format, isn't there? And the one being done by the OGG people?), but I'm s
      • by Yfrwlf (998822)
        Vorbis and Dirac FTW. Vorbis plays out of the box in Firefox 3.1.
      • by T5 (308759)

        Because Microsoft is playing nice with the new administration and getting a lot of free advertising to boot. Did you see the Photosynth [photosynth.net] stuff that CNN was drooling over during the festivities today> Yep, that's a Microsoft Labs product.

        It's an advertising coup that bodes ill for open source in the new administration.

  • by BadAnalogyGuy (945258) <BadAnalogyGuy@gmail.com> on Tuesday January 20, 2009 @09:32AM (#26527839)

    I was on the National Mall for Bill Clinton's second inauguration, so let me suggest that the absolute best way to watch the Presidential inauguration is to watch it on the news that evening.

    They'll cut out all the boring crap. You don't have to spend all morning standing around in the freezing cold. And you don't have to miss work.

  • by AvitarX (172628) <(me) (at) (brandywinehundred.org)> on Tuesday January 20, 2009 @09:34AM (#26527859) Journal

    I just downloaded it, it was a 64-bit XPI.

    Way easier than installing flash, now I am curious if it will work.

    Additionally, the client is open source, and Adobe has wielded the software patent hammer in the past (against flash I think even). So it's not easy to call MS particularly the greater evil here.

    • by Ed Avis (5917) <ed@membled.com> on Tuesday January 20, 2009 @10:02AM (#26528089) Homepage

      Moonlight is open source, but the codecs are not - they are binary blobs written by (gulp) Microsoft. But for those living in patent-brain-damaged countries, it's about the least bad of several bad alternatives.

      Adobe has done some 'evil' things but then so has every software company, even Google. I don't think that playing corporate melodrama, picking goodies and baddies, is a sensible way to decide what software to use. Judge whether you have freedom to use, share and change the software in each case. (For the Flash player the answer is clearly no, although Gnash is getting better.)

      • by Yfrwlf (998822)
        *re-reads Microsoft's history, their dealings with Linux, of EEEing everyone, of breaking standards and ultimately never allowing things to be completely open and always having some kind of strings attached*

        Yeah, I do think their past behavior matters. I'm not touching Microsoft with a ten foot pole.

        Or going within chair throwing distance, for that matter.
    • by conlaw (983784)
      The install took me about 20 seconds, because I had to twice tell Firefox it was okay to download the program. Although I've been anti-Microsoft for several years, I have to give them kudos for this. Happy Say Goodbye to Dubya Day to everyone.
  • by El Lobo (994537) on Tuesday January 20, 2009 @09:45AM (#26527945)
    Silverlight is just a pleasure to program in. Being a subset of dotnet you have just a gazillion great classes at the top of your fingers for you to use in any language you want that just supports .NET.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by im_thatoneguy (819432)

      Silverlight is just a pleasure to program in. Being a subset of dotnet you have just a gazillion great classes at the top of your fingers for you to use in any language you want that just supports .NET.

      This is modded funny--only because there are evidently at least 3 moderators who have never programed anything in ActionScript: the only programming language more frustrating than a crude stick and a punchcard.

  • by Yfrwlf (998822)
    I almost swallowed my toothbrush seeing that headline. Wait wait, here's us Linux users rushing to view the Inaguration in a Microsoft format when we can view it in plenty of other formats instead...

    .........

    Good interpretation, I know. *bow* ^^
    • by Ed Avis (5917)

      Is any news source streaming the ceremony in a truly open format? (One that doesn't require binary blobs to watch legally in the US.)

  • Hulu is advertising the inauguration live. Will they be using Silverlight for this, too, or will they use the traditional Flash player??

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      They're showing Fox News right now. It's Flash.

  • i can do it much easier without downlading anything at http://edition.cnn.com/video/fb/facebook.html?stream=stream1 [cnn.com]

    it comes with a 1-2 million crowded facebook event to boot.
    • by sumdumass (711423)

      I just followed your link and it said something about having to install some octoset improvement plugin or something for flash. I refused to install it and the video and all plays perfectly fine.

      You have any idea what the hell that is and why it claims it is needed when it obviously isn't? It sort of sounds like it might be some sort of spyware or something. I don't trust CNN anymore then I do Fox or any other mass news company.

      • by Sporkinum (655143)

        It's probably the facebook crap that causes that. Facebook is blocked at work and the video feed still works.

      • by unity100 (970058)
        octoshape thingy may be the distributed video thingamajig i think.
  • by tkrotchko (124118) * on Tuesday January 20, 2009 @11:35AM (#26529143) Homepage

    TV. It seems to work everywhere. I'm guessing it will be broadcast live in several countries, and even when it's not, the evening news will have the summary.

    And of course, YouTube will have the speech later today.

    I don't think waiting a few hours presents any sort of hardship.

    • First, some of us do not have TV, so the internet is our method of receiving a broadcast. Second, there is a great deal of hype/enthusiasm/hope surrounding this event, and to see it live adds extra meaning to the event. When was the last time you recall a President greeted with so much good will? I can say it has never happened in my lifetime.
  • by knarf (34928) on Tuesday January 20, 2009 @11:36AM (#26529149) Homepage

    You can also just use vlc: vlc 'http://msstudios-chan2-wsx.wm.llnwd.net/msstudios_chan1_wsx?MSWMExt=.asf' or vlc 'http://87.248.216.216:80/msstudios_chan1_wsx?MSWMExt=.asf'

    This way you get fullscreen, stutter-free sound and video without agreeing to any license agreements or burning a hole in your processor... and you don't have to install anything besides vlc (but that was already installed, wasn't it?)

    • Very cool. It's not working for me though. I got a VLC error then the video started to stream for about half a second before it froze. In all fairness it's most likely my ISP, my 5 Mbps connection is running at 1% of it's capacity.

    • by HRbnjR (12398)

      I was also able to open that URL in Totem and watch, thanks!

  • Installed it, and when I go back to that page, my browser crashes. This honestly makes a lot of sense when I hear that that rushed to get it out. It's to be expected.

    Ah well. I'll install it again in four years.

  • by yossarianuk (1402187) on Tuesday January 20, 2009 @11:48AM (#26529325)
    http://www.pic2009.org/page/content/linuxplayer [pic2009.org] - works fine moonlight link - http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/ [go-mono.com]
  • doesn't work (Score:2, Informative)

    by Upsilonish (1250840)
    "Moonlight was compiled with 1.0 support only. This page requires 2.0 support."
    oops?
  • by mkro (644055)
    CNN Live (a href="http://edition.cnn.com/live/">http://cnn.com/live/ works fine for me in Ubuntu, but thanks.
  • It is not for "Linux users", it is for "Linux Firefox users". As yet there is no standard npapi-compatible Moonlight plugin. I enquired about this yesterday and was informed that once Moonlight 2 is out the door, cross-browser compatibility will be improved. It would be useful if the Linux Standards Base provided a spec with a standard path for browser plugins.
  • You can haz it.

  • WOHOO!!! (Score:4, Funny)

    by Oktober Sunset (838224) <sdpage103@yahoo.co . u k> on Tuesday January 20, 2009 @02:32PM (#26532331)
    Bush out and MS being nice, on the same day? Did I smoke a really fat doobie last night?
  • *light.... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by jimpop (27817) *

    Who needed silverlight or moonlight to watch? Numerous public sources streamed the event in flash. I'm sure this Miguel guy is a nice fellow, but his dancing with/for Microsoft doesn't seem right to me.

  • Worked well here.
    Hopefully some of the work done here pushes us closer to a Netflix option for Linux also, but this stream was DRM free, and needed a seperate silverlight 1 runtime for Linux.. Seems like we still have a way to go.
  • The very fact that you need Microsoft's help indicates that Moonlight is not the way to go.

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