Firefox 3.5 Beta Boosts Open Video Standard 281
bmullan writes "Dailymotion, one of the world's largest video sites, announced support for Open Video. They've put out a press release, a blog post on the new Open Video site, and an HTML 5 demo site where you can see some of the things that you can do with open video and Firefox 3.5. (You can get the Firefox 3.5 beta here.) Dailymotion is automatically transcoding all of the content that their users create, and expect to have around 300,000 videos in the open Ogg Theora and Vorbis formats."
Other sites with support exist as well (Score:5, Informative)
There are some other sites which have had <video> support for a while now, such as omploader [omploader.org]. It would be nice if some big sites like youtube get rid of flash too, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Re:Linux? (Score:5, Informative)
Really, only Firefox? Because I could SWEAR it was working for me in Safari 4 with Youtube's HTML 5 demo site.
Re:Styling the UI? (Score:2, Informative)
There's a default UI, but you can turn it off and use whatever HTML/CSS/XML/SVG you care to dream up.
Theora has improved (Score:5, Informative)
The h.264 codec that is used to stream their content is far and away better than that Theora garbage format.
The version of Theora that was in ffmpeg2theora 0.19 sucked. But Theora has come a long way since then, coming much closer to x264's fidelity [slashdot.org].
Re:Theora has improved (Score:5, Informative)
But Theora has come a long way since then, coming much closer to x264's fidelity.
You must have missed the retraction that was done when it was shown that they were calculating PSNR wrong for x264. Theora is nowhere near the quality of even a low-range h.264 codec.
'Publishing' the graph like that drew well-deserved scrutiny and unfortunately our own data was also off (although by considerably less). ffmpeg had another bug we didn't know about which caused it to mishandle the colorspace on x264 output, so the x264 PSNR value was too low by 1-4dB. Greg fixed the error in the data collection and immediately set about collecting new measures:
Look up the controls attribute (Score:5, Informative)
If open video means a widget that site owners have no control over, like Quicktime video embedding, then commercial site operators aren't going to be too keen on it.
HTML 5 Video [whatwg.org] states that a page can ask the user agent to show a built-in control widget (by providing a controls attribute) or hide it and provide its own widget that controls the video player through its DOM (by omitting the controls attribute).
Re:Theora has improved (Score:1, Informative)
You're just pissy because your first post in this discussion was marked Flamebait.
No, I hadn't even noticed it was marked as flamebait till you said so and I couldn't care less.
So now you just repeat yourself uselessly though you were careful to make it look like a useful reply because you're devious like that. What a sore loser crybaby you are!
I didn't just repeat myself. I provided the word of the people who did that comparison that the GP's story linked to where they showed that the only way they beat x264 was by calculating the PSNR graph wrong. In fact the only person who is pissy is apparently you.
Re:Question (Score:3, Informative)
Yes, because Flash boasts huge market penetration (http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/). Of course it's Adobe's own market research, but it's probably true that they have most of the market in their grasp.
Add to that the fact that IE still has the largest browser market share.
Those two practically guarantee that Google will stick with Flash for most part. Maybe they will create a dynamic service which would prefer support over flash, but Flash is here to stay for quite a while longer.
Re:Yeah, screw you too (Score:5, Informative)
Considering that the demo is intended to show what an emerging standard can do better than current ones, it's understandable that they want it to look the best it can, which means they're going to want people to watch it using the optimized platform and not something that's barely going to run their demo.
I hope it doesn't a quad core CPU to run (Score:3, Informative)
While using a different player, the movies uses 10 time less CPU cycles. I can't wait for something to replace that bloat from Adobe.
Re:Linux? (Score:2, Informative)
Try going to http://openvideo.dailymotion.com/ [dailymotion.com] in Safari 4
That landing page requires FireFox, but the actual video pages work fine in Safari.
Re:Yeah, screw you too (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The video tag has a fatal flaw - codecs (Score:1, Informative)
The big content providers don't want you to download their content, all the reason they are becoming ever more irrelevant. Welcome to new media.
Re:Linux? (Score:1, Informative)
Browser-sniffing for the lose!
It should easily be capable in any other browser.
Firefox 3.5 isn't anything special, Safari 4 and Chrome 2 have <video> support. (not trolling in any way, just stating a fact)
They must be browser-sniffing for some reason. (read: business deal)
I tried checking the source, but i already have a sore head as it is, and they have compressed their JS files by the looks of it...
Re:Yeah, screw you too (Score:5, Informative)
> That's kind of misleading .... All the upcoming versions of browsers that aren't IE are getting support for parts of HTML5
Speaking of misleading - IE8 already supports parts of HTML5 and Microsoft have committed to support it "in full" in future versions. Can we tone the bias down a little?
Re:3 dB (Score:5, Informative)
3 dB is a factor of ~ 1.41 times.
A factor of two is 6 dB.
Re:3 dB (Score:2, Informative)
Depends on the reference. What is 0 dB? For sound pressure (for example), you're right. However 3 dB is a two-fold increase in watts (power).
Re:Why promote an "inferior" product? (Score:3, Informative)
I wonder when Firefox, Opera or Konqueror will have native support for Dirac.
For Gecko (which means Firefox & friends): As soon as libogg supports it, which is pretty much
now. However, it isn't part of the upstream stable libogg yet, so it will not ship with Firefox 3.5,
but very probably show up in the version after that.
Re:The video tag has a fatal flaw - codecs (Score:3, Informative)
Poor performance of Firefox's audio and video (Score:3, Informative)
So far, I have been completely and utterly unimpressed by Firefox's built in audio and video features. I'm using 3.5 Beta.
Whenever it plays a WAV file, it plays for a few seconds, then skips audio and runs at 100% CPU usage, then plays again. Sounds like a really bad buffering issue, like they can't get something as basic as buffering correct. Audio which is intended to loop does not. OGG Vorbis files also skip the same was as WAV files.
Video performance is dismal, even worse than Flash player. Videos skip and take more CPU power to play back than other players do. Upscaling the video is done slowly through software, even though Overlays surfaces have been around since 1997 with the NVidia Riva 128.
From what I've seen, in terms of CPU usage, the best video player for the web is Windows Media Player, using non-microsoft video codecs (FFDshow).
Re:3 dB (Score:3, Informative)
Re:3 dB (Score:5, Informative)
Depends on what your working with. Just straight amplitude, 3dB = double. If you're working with power, then 6dB=double.
But.. audio uses the amplitude scale.
What does dB even mean in this context?
Re:Theora has improved (Score:3, Informative)
only?! inst 3db about 50%? huge lag behind.
No, it's about 29%
(1 - (1 / 1.41)) * 100
Re:Linux? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Major Typo in the Article Title (Score:3, Informative)
Safari and Opera are implementing this too. However article itself is too "Firefox hyped". Opera started playing with long before Firefox, AFAIR.
There's also YouTube's HTML5 demo (Score:2, Informative)