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The Media Handhelds Hardware

The Newspaper Isn't Dead Yet 108

theodp writes "Slate's Farhad Manjoo had high hopes for using the Kindle DX — Amazon's new large-screen e-reader — to read newspapers. A good first effort, says Manjoo, who concludes that for now newsprint still beats the $489 Kindle. While he has issues with latency, what he really misses relates to graphic design. The Kindle presents news as a list, leaving a reader to guess which pieces are most important to read. Newspapers, by contrast, opine on the importance of the day's news using easy-to-understand design conventions — important stories appear on front pages, with the most important ones going higher on the page and getting more space and bigger headlines. Also, because of its overnight delivery model, Manjoo gripes that the Kindle suffers from a lack of timeliness, making it not even as good as a smartphone."
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The Newspaper Isn't Dead Yet

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  • Re:google news (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21, 2009 @10:28AM (#28410531)
    I'm not sure if you realize this, but some people actually have to work when they get into the office. And some people have hour+ long commutes to deal with. So being able to do something simple like reading the news while you'd otherwise be sitting on your ass is the ideal solution. Not that I'd expect you to understand that.
  • Re:Yes it is (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Jurily ( 900488 ) <jurily&gmail,com> on Sunday June 21, 2009 @10:33AM (#28410589)

    The newspaper is so dead, see? *points at the newspaper*

    Like my 92 year old grandfather. Technically still alive, but everyone knows it's only a matter of time.

  • What a concept (Score:2, Insightful)

    by genghisjahn ( 1344927 ) on Sunday June 21, 2009 @10:41AM (#28410647) Homepage
    "The Kindle presents news as a list, leaving a reader to guess which pieces are most important to read." Leaving the read to guess or leaving the reader to decide which article is more important? Part of the reason newspapers are in trouble is because they tell they reader what they think is important. Anyway, it's still a list of articles by section. Just put the "important" ones at the top, so us morons will know what's important.
  • by Norsefire ( 1494323 ) * on Sunday June 21, 2009 @11:08AM (#28410825) Journal
    Do you actually understand that almost all of a newspapers revenue is derived from advertising, not from paper sales? And apparently a lot of companies haven't got the memo that newspapers are dead because they still pay exorbitant prices for advertising spots on the front pages of small hick-town newspapers. And apparently a lot of people that subscribe to newspapers haven't got the memo because they still subscribe to it.

    People who read websites like Slashdot will access information from the Internet, the majority of people still read newspapers.

    I actually like the newspaper format better, it has a beginning and an end, I can it over breakfast. I'd have trouble even reading the new Slashdot summaries over breakfast, not to mention the articles.
  • by Knave75 ( 894961 ) on Sunday June 21, 2009 @11:08AM (#28410829)
    Newspapers are filled to the brim with letters to the editor complaining that a certain "important" story was buried in the back pages by incompetent/evil editors. To some extent, these letters are correct: Often, important stories (in my view) are buried whereas the latest escapades of Paris Hilton make it to the front page. However, I do not have time to go through the entire paper, and I appreciate having a professional make a sort of triage estimate as to which stories are more important. Sure, mistakes are made, but I find that, in general, the important stories do appear on the front page, and it makes my reading experience that much better.

    That said, I'm not sure why Kindle can't organize the stories like Google News, if I am interested in a story, it pretty much always appears in the top headlines. If necessary, they can license the technology from google, I'm sure they would embrace the partnership.
  • by Jacques Chester ( 151652 ) on Sunday June 21, 2009 @11:12AM (#28410855)

    As I have pointed out here and elsewhere [clubtroppo.com.au], newspapers do not make their money from selling copies; they make it on classifieds and advertising.

    All the stuff about bloggers being better than journalists, or journalists being better than bloggers, is a total sideshow. It's about money.

  • Reader bias (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Norsefire ( 1494323 ) * on Sunday June 21, 2009 @11:15AM (#28410885) Journal
    This is going to turn into another one of those discussions where people who read Slashdot and other tech sites forget that they are amongst a minority of computer users and subsequently the consensus that is reached here won't reflect reality at all.
  • Re:Reader bias (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21, 2009 @11:21AM (#28410943)
    Now that's worthy of a +5 Insightful. Of course, since this is Slashdot, it will probably be modded to -1 Troll pretty quickly.
  • Re:What a concept (Score:4, Insightful)

    by TimHunter ( 174406 ) on Sunday June 21, 2009 @11:26AM (#28410975)

    Part of the reason newspapers are in trouble is because they tell they reader what they think is important.

    Wrong. One of the reasons we pay for a newspaper is to have professional editors select and rank-order news for us. There is far, far too much "news" out there for us to be able to do this on our own. Newspapers choose what they think their readers will be interested in (and frequently, what they think their readers should be interested in) and present it accordingly. Yes, they do know more than you do about the news. It's how they make their living.

    If you don't like the selections they've made on your behalf, choose another paper. If enough people dislike the selections, the newspaper will have to get another editor.

  • by TimHunter ( 174406 ) on Sunday June 21, 2009 @11:43AM (#28411105)
    Well, let's just take a look at what's on the front page of my local paper, the Raleigh (NC) News & Observer http://www.newsobserver.com/ [newsobserver.com].
    1. An article about the demonstrations in Iran. Probably the biggest world story going on today. Big for USA, too, given our tenuous relationships with Middle Eastern countries. Also given Obama's recent speech in Saudi Arabia. Do I need to go on?
    2. An article about a local man donating a kidney as part of a national donation chain that involves 12 people. Local stories are important. Who else is going to cover them? The story's too big for a blogger and too small for CNN. This is the sweet spot for local newspapers.
    3. Another story in a continuing series about sweetheart relationships and possible corruption involving our previous governor. The N&O reporter uncovered dirt that so far has caused 4 Very Important People to resign. The federal prosecutor has convened a grand jury to look into things. It's apparent that the governor used his position to get privileges he shouldn't have, some of it paid with the people's money. We the people of the state of North Carolina would not have known about this had the N&O not investigated it. This is classic journalism and the reason we call it "the Fourth Estate."

    Now go take another look at your local paper. Maybe there's something there you should be interested in.

  • by Futurepower(R) ( 558542 ) on Sunday June 21, 2009 @11:44AM (#28411113) Homepage
    Wo... Wor... Work? What is this "work" of which you speak?

    In Portland, Oregon, we have the Ore-groan-ian, also known as the Bore-gonian, also known as the Whore-gonian for its ads that try to take advantage of people.

    Newspapers do badly not just because they kill trees to communicate, but because they think only of advertising money. George W. Bush was wonderful until it became more profitable to discuss his destructiveness toward the country. Abusers eventually lose; in this case it has taken a long time.

    Newspapers also do badly because, by the time you see the newspaper, you have already read the same story on Google News.

    Another reason is that, while you are commuting, you can possibly find enough Wi-Fi to read Google News on your laptop.

    Another reason is that the newspaper carries only enough of the story to fit between the ads. They ABSOLUTELY do not care about educating you about the story. They care ONLY about their ad revenue. Did I mention that?

    All only my opinion, of course.
  • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Sunday June 21, 2009 @11:47AM (#28411141) Homepage Journal

    What the newspaper thinks are important stories appear on front pages, with the most important ones going higher on the page and getting more space and bigger headlines.

    There, fixed that for ya.

  • Sounds like Music (Score:2, Insightful)

    by PleaseFearMe ( 1549865 ) on Sunday June 21, 2009 @12:05PM (#28411247)
    Making copies of the song is very cheap; all the cost is in the production. Problem with newspapers is that they can't copyright the news. We "discovered" this "idea of what happened yesterday" first, so therefore, if you want to learn about it, you must buy our newspaper. Capitalism :(. One possible life saver for most of the newspapers is the local news, ie the new sheriff in town. But as people start living in the internet more, they may even stop caring about who the new sheriff is.
  • by nausea_malvarma ( 1544887 ) on Sunday June 21, 2009 @01:30PM (#28411869)
    So just because the kindle does a shitty job of delivering news, everyone assumes newspapers still have life in them? Who cares. Most people already get their news online, with or without the kindle. The newspaper business will stick around, for sure, but the age of big newspaper profits are slowly dying. Just a matter of time.
  • by CastrTroy ( 595695 ) on Sunday June 21, 2009 @02:00PM (#28412117)
    There's a lot of newspapers with very little news of an value in them. My city has 2 major papers, and you can compare one [ottawacitizen.com] to the other [ottawasun.com]. The second one linked to often has Paris Hilton and the likes on the front cover. Their top news story for the day is something to do with monster trucks.
  • by 1369IC ( 935113 ) on Sunday June 21, 2009 @09:41PM (#28415393)

    "With the internet, though, newspapers are no longer local, so all the newspapers compete on the internet with each other, and there is no real bottom to the cost."

    I think you stated the solution as a negative fact. Newspapers can be local. In fact, they need to be local, because local is a value they can add to the equation. They can still gather and arrange facts better than anybody, and they can still get access and sell the product of that access. People will still pay for that.

    What they can't do is all compete as national/international publications anymore. They could do that when there were only a few choices, first, the two or three local big papers, and later the one big local paper and the national papers flown or satellited in: NY Times, USA Today, etc. So Muncie or Syracuse could have a national/international publication with what they did supplemented by the news services.

    The internet kills that by putting all those pseudo-national publications in the same market, and there's just not a market for that many national papers. And the Muncies and Syracuses can't compete with the NY Times and the Washington Post at the national and international level.

    The market I think we need to look at is magazines. The old truism was that there was a market for three major publications on any subject: Road & Track, Car & Driver and Motor Trend. Usually there were two biggies and a third guy trailing and doing things differently. After the big three you went niche: magazines dedicated to Porsches, local or regional mags, British roadsters, muscle cars, etc. They all did fine, but they didn't challenge the big guys.

    So if that's the model we're headed for, you'll get your big three -- NY Times, Washington Post and one other one, take your pick from a half dozen -- and a bunch of niche papers: Wall Street Journal, papers smart enough to be very local, maybe a Kansas City paper or a Mountain states paper for their regions, that kind of thing. I can envision a tier, actually: your local paper that will sit through the town hall meetings and catch the locals in graft and corruption; the state or regional paper that has resources the locals don't and knows its area better and will cover grain prices or water rights issues, and has access the NY Times doesn't and doesn't want to provide; and a national paper.

    They just need to figure out a model quickly and kick the bean counters the hell out of the office suites. In gradual school I read a study about the second papers in major cities and how they died. In every case they weren't making enough money, so they cut staff and/or pages (or color, or paper quality, whatever) to protect the profit margin. The readers noticed they were getting less value and defected, which made advertisers go and/or rates drop, and so the papers made cuts to protect the profit margin. It was a death cycle that they didn't figure out and eventually the big paper in town bought them out. The exception that proved the rule was one paper run by the heir to the family tradition who said to hell with it and added reporters. The readers noticed and sales went up and that paper ended up devouring the one that had been bigger. But bean counters will never get it. It's what they did to GM (cut costs and therefore quality to increase margins and be amazed when nobody wants to buy your cars). You see it day after day in corporate America. Bean counters don't know what you do, they don't know quality when they see it, but they can count and they know everyone in business is supposed to bow to the great god of profit.

    It's not that I'm against profit, but you've got to make money doing a good job at what you do. If the recurring financial bubble fiascoes teach us anything, it should be that bankers, accountants and these all-purpose managers aren't the answer to anything in particular, even banks.

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