N!NJA writes with this excerpt from PCWorld:
"A tectonic shift has taken place for the digital age: ad rates for popular shows like The Simpsons and CSI are higher online than they are on prime-time TV. If a company wants to run ads alongside an episode of The Simpsons on Hulu or TV.com, it will cost the advertiser about $60 per thousand viewers, according to Bloomberg. On prime-time TV that same ad will cost somewhere between $20 and $40 per thousand viewers. Online viewers have to actively seek out the program they want to watch, so advertisers end up with a guaranteed audience for their commercial every time someone clicks play on Hulu or TV.com. Online programs also have an average of 37 seconds of commercials during an episode, while prime-time TV averages nine minutes of ads."
Guaranteed? (Score:5, Insightful)
Apparently the advertisers haven't heard about window managers and multitasking operating systems... especially since Hulu goes so far as to tell the viewer how long the commercial will be.
Then again, since Hulu commercial breaks are so short compared to those on television, there is far less of an incentive to do something else.
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Not only that but they'll pull the same crap they do on TV. Half page banners that scroll up from the bottom during the best part of a show. Fuck'em I'll either buy it when they dump it to DVD or download a unshitsmeared version.
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I like to open up multiple tabs of the same video, and preemptively skip to each commercial (just click the dots).
Let each commercial play, then pause the video in each tab.
Open video, as commercial plays, open same video in new tab, skip to second commercial, open video in new tab, skip to third, etc. for all commercials.
Go to first tab and pause, second tab pause, etc.
Go to first tab, play.
Can do all that in the time it takes for the first commercial (before the video starts) to finish.
Re:Guaranteed? (Score:4, Insightful)
That might less time to do, but it sure sounds like it requires far more effort.
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Additionally since Hulu gives you some say in what the adverts are for, there's an increased possibility that the product will actually be useful to the viewer. It's not really in anybody's best interest to show men adverts for vagisil.
Important clarification (Score:3, Insightful)
Note that it sounds like it's worth more per viewer to the advertiser, but not to the TV network. The advertiser will pay more for the Hulu version, but since there's only one of them it brings less income to the studio.
So I don't think you can use this story to go "look, the studios should embrace online distribution" on its own.
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Mod parent up please
The headline is just plain wrong- Fox gets more than Hulu.
The math is pretty simple:
Hulu: 1 ad X $60 = $60/thousand
Fox: 9+ ads X ~$30 = minimum $270/thousand
Furthermore, I'll wager that more thousands are watching Fox.
This story seems to be an attempt to make geeks feel good about themselves vs the 'establishment'. Is that really necessary on /.?
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Apples to Oranges (Score:2, Interesting)
Its not a good idea to compare watching commercials on TV vs. Hulu. One major difference that should be taken into consideration is the fact that there is only one commercial between segments of shows on Hulu; while on TV there are multiple. Its easier to "remember" the commercials after only seeing one rather than multiple but at the same time the overall revenue that the episode gets per viewer would probably be much less.
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Well, TV gets a large set o viewers once, hulu gets a small set all the time. I don't even know if a 'perepisode' way of looking at Hulu Is the correct way to measure some of these numbers.
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And since it's a short spo, I end up sitting there because it's not long enough to get up and do anything else. So if I get to go to the bathroom, I wait until the 30-90 seconds is up, stop and then go take a leak.
Average Total Cost Per Ad? (Score:4, Insightful)
Anyone know the numbers of how many viewers the average new episode of The Simpsons gets on both mediums? While it is interesting that the cost per viewer is significantly more online, I doubt the number of viewers on Hulu is within the same order of magnitude compared to how many people view a new episode on standard television. Also I still find it crazy that they're actively fighting Boxee when that only adds more viewers. It would be one thing if Boxee blocked the ads, but it's definitely not the case.
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Yeah, it seems to me that it might be that ads cost more to the advertisers, but there are fewer ads and fewer viewers, meaning overall it's less profitable for the show. It seems to me that profit per episode for the content owners is a much more important number than cost to advertisers per viewer. After all, if you're trying to figure out whether something like Hulu can replace TV networks, the question is whether there's enough profit per show to fund the production of new shows.
I would imagine that
TV is dead, long live TV (Score:5, Interesting)
My daughter, aged five, watches youtube, managing to plug in and switch on the PC, login to her mum's account, start Firefox, type "you" and then somehow (this part I've not yet figured out) bootstrap herself into cartoons, music videos, and other random nonsense. She clicks on similar videos and can watch TV like this for several hours. My son, two, is almost there too. I guess, thank god youtube removes adult content.
First, they ignore the real old cable television, it's utterly uninteresting for them. Secondly, they watch each youtube clip from start to end, and treat advertising, if any, as part of the content.
How can this //not// be more profitable than legacy TV?
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Five-year olds would generally find adult content yucky and boring. Or else hilarious. They wouldn't be 'harmed' by it.
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You don't know how that sense of hilarity will affect the child! In her first sexual experience, she might end up utterly crushing the ego of an emotionally fragile, spotty teenage boy!
No, but seriously, the issue is more complicated than that. The extent that viewing sex will affect the child is dependent on the reaction of the parents. If they're more conservative on such issues, and react negatively, then it will affect them negatively.
Some would blame the parents for this, but I don't see how this is di
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Yes, exactly. My daughter does something similar. It's not necessarily the ads -- If she can't choose the content and control it like a video, she's not interested. This makes the cable TV uninteresting by definition.
I can't make myself just plop down and watch whatever is on. There are too many other things to do. My TV viewing is either movies, or older series that I can watch in sequence (Netflix is great). I am of the "TV viewing" generation, (color became common when I was in grade school) so
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It's interesting you say that, because you're not the only one, by far. I have friends who intentionally disconnected their TV from any external inputs (no antenna, no cable), so it's DVDs and games only. One of my daughters bought a 60" Sony a few years ago ... she has cable, and yet she now also no longer watches TV, and is thinking of getting rid of it. I haven't turned my dish on in over half a year ... and this isn't the first time that's happened.
Interactivity and real control changes the equatio
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Which, of course, is why there are no television ads aimed at young children on TV. Oh, wait....
If you have never been around children, I can understand that you do not know the power of a five-year-old saying, "I want X!"
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Five year olds have parents who have wallets, and who are frequently willing to open said wallets in order to get said five year old to stop bugging the hell out of them for 5 minutes by buying "Advertised Item X."
Math (Score:4, Insightful)
Fuck. No one can do Math anymore. An episode of The Simpsons absolutely isn't worth more by the numbers in the summary. In fact, it's worth about 1/15th as much. Doh!
Maybe the article is worth something, but the summary is so bad I can't bring myself to click.
-Peter
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The article doesn't mention this either.
In order for an episode of The Simpsons to be worth more in advertising per viewer on Hulu than on regular television, prices for the same spot would need to be between $300 to $600.
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Gotcha! It's about 1/7th.
Okay, I actually forgot to include the fact that the rate is about double.
9*60/37/2~=7.29.
So, the inventory of a showing of The Simpsons on Hulu is 37 seconds. A showing on Fox is 9 minues = 540 seconds. If you halve that number to account for the difference in rate you get 37/540 which is about seven.
To plug in dollars it's 540 * $30 = $16,200 vs. 37 * $60 = $2,220, which clearly belies the statement "The Simpsons Worth More Per Viewer On Hulu Than On Fox".
-Peter
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This is going to be what killed hulu (Score:5, Insightful)
I just started watching Hulu last week. It's a great service! There is only one short commercial per break, and I'm willing to tolerate that. The only thing that would make it better is if they put banner ads around the window and took the commercials out completely.
But that's not what'll happen. The company serves its bottom line. I give it less than six months before they start stuffing commercials into the show, equivalent to broadcast television. There's already at least one advertisment that cranks the volume up to 11 -- some jamacian shit I'm sure you've probably seen by now. It instantly pisses me off when the commercial comes up. It's a great reminder about why broadcast television is shit.
Cool! (Score:2)
As many have already pointed out (and many more will), it might be tricky to compare the numbers between TV and online broadcast, *but* I personally don't care. What I hope is that the media companies buy into the numbers and let me (outside US) watch my favorite programs online! :-D
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That doesn't make any sense (Score:2)
Rahter misleading. (Score:4, Insightful)
Saying it's worth more per viewer is like saying hard liquor is "worth more" when you buy it at a bar. You're selling to two different audiences, and a much smaller amount. The Simpsons on hulu might get tens or hundreds of thousands of viewers; whereas the Simpsons on Fox will get millions. Comparing the price for advertising on the two is telling about 1/3rd of the story.
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PCworld sucks at math (Score:2)
My friend who worked there since the beta... (Score:5, Informative)
Anyways, these are the reasons he and one of the executives had given for why they expected to eventually be able to charge a good deal more for 30 seconds of Hulu advertisement than one would normally charge for the same time*viewers over the air. It came up when we were complaining about the studios' decisions to delay some shows by up to 8 days compared to the actual air date. While it was clear this was to prevent an uprising from the affiliates, we still grumbled a bit about it.
Re:Probably Because You Can Select the Episode? (Score:4, Interesting)
Actuallu, they don't ahve all the episodes.
It does depend on the show. For example, all the episodes of Simon & Simon are available, but only a few Simpsons.
I hope this means that will changes.
One of my favorite shows in the 90's was 'NewsRadio'. It interesting that on Hulu the season after Phil Hartman died isn't there. I wonder if that's just good taste on Hulu's part(that last season is horrid) or of the network just wants them forgotten.
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Re:Probably Because You Can Select the Episode? (Score:5, Insightful)
Network, usually.
Just like how the Homer vs New York episode is buried.
(It features a gag involving the twin towers. Get over it, it was 8 fucking years ago!)
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Re:Probably Because You Can Select the Episode? (Score:4, Funny)
What twin towers?
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Still, keep in mind that you have many more viewers on TV.
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Keep in mind that Hulu has more Simpsons episodes to run at any given time.
Re:Probably Because You Can Select the Episode? (Score:5, Informative)
Err, what? I've never seen a banner ad on Hulu, even when I drop to Chrome (no ad-block).
Hulu ads are interstitials, just like on TV. Sometimes they are exactly ads that I've seen on TV also. They cut in at about the same places too. The only difference is that they only last a few seconds rather than a couple minutes per commercial break.
Aside from that, I don't see how it's obvious that if there were some ad sitting there for the entire show, that it would be more expensive than an interstitial placement.
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Err, what? I've never seen a banner ad on Hulu, even when I drop to Chrome (no ad-block).
Hulu ads are interstitials, just like on TV. Sometimes they are exactly ads that I've seen on TV also. They cut in at about the same places too. The only difference is that they only last a few seconds rather than a couple minutes per commercial break.
Aside from that, I don't see how it's obvious that if there were some ad sitting there for the entire show, that it would be more expensive than an interstitial placement.
Uh, well, look again. They *DO* have banner ads. And it can be annoying because when you hit "lower lights", the ad doesn't get dimmed, so it stands out even more.
I don't think all advertisers choose to have a banner ad, but i know I've seen them a few times at least.
-Taylor
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I just took a look at it (watched a few minutes of a show) in a basic (no extensions, no nothing) install of IE. No banner ads. Maybe logged in people don't get them? Or maybe they're being inserted somewhere along the way (virus or your provider).
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I wonder what the costs are for a broadcast versus a webcast? For a broadcast you'd need to coordinate multiple stations and time zones, there are power costs to push the signal, station costs, licensing costs.. For a webcast there's the server and pipe sized to the load you expect. Maybe you need Akamai or some other similar system, but I expect that it's much cheaper than broadcast.
For most TV channels, it is much more expensive to broadcast via the web than it is to broadcast via standard television. Th
Re:The right demographic. (Score:5, Insightful)
I have to disagree. There will always be hardcores who prefer to torrent a show rather than put up with any amount of advertisement whatsoever, but I think most people have a more favorable level of pain than that. Sitting through a half minute of commercials at the beginning I can do. That's enough better than having the story flow disrupted every 12 minutes that I would put up with it rather than make the effort to download. I don't think I'm alone in this.
I'm even willing to pay a reasonable price. I have no problem paying 99 cents an episode off itunes, for instance, as long as I can back up my investment.
The issues I have with Hulu are (1) resolution (currently sucks) and (2) integration with a media appliance (lacking). I want to watch the show on my primary flatscreen TV using my remote, durnit, not on the laptop messing about with a mouse.
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Re:WTF Slashdot? (Score:4, Insightful)
Slashdot is simply following the dumbening of the internet.
Soon, all /. summaries will be capped at 140 characters.
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If Slashdot embraces Twitter (Score:3, Funny)
Soon, all /. summaries will be capped at 140 characters.
If Slashdot is going to embrace Twitter, will it also use those characters to rag on "M$ Windoze" through over a dozen sockpuppets [slashdot.org]?