Opera 10.0 Released 325
neonsignal writes "Opera 10 has been released. It now supports rich text email, the 'turbo' Opera proxy server feature, some HTML 5 support, XML 'pretty printing,' extra skinning features, and a 100/100 score in the Acid3 test. There has been no official announcement as yet."
best browser out there (Score:4, Insightful)
email? (Score:2, Insightful)
Why does a WEB BROWSER need to support rich text email?
Re:It still fails at my simple CSS test. (Score:4, Insightful)
That's because the other browsers aren't victims of browser sniffing the way Opera is. Most of the time you can simply mask as Firefox, and it "magically" starts working.
Re:That is impressive (Score:4, Insightful)
And its consistent on every platform, and always has been *the browser* to push new things on browsers.
While Opera does have a lot of neat features, Google Gears support and the new fast Javascript engine haven't been released, these features do make web apps such as Gmai, Google Docs and Buxfer a lot better.
Another interesting thing about Opera is that its marketshare on CIS countries [opera.com] is more than IE/FF/Other browsers. Are they just technically more aware or whats the cause for that?
When Opera wasn't free, people could easily crack it, Opera was a lot faster on dialup connections (because it rendered pages immediately instead of waiting for them to load completely), it had caching that was actually useful and didn't need a lot of system resouces. So installing a "free" browser resulted in faster and cheaper internet. The latest Opera versions are installed because people remember how fast it was. It's still a great browser, and if other browsers aren't a lot better then why bother migrating?
Opera Mini seems to repeat the same success story, GPRS/EDGE internet is slow and pretty expensive in CIS (around $0.15-$0.20 per megabyte), and because Opera Mini compresses reduces the pages' size by 5-20 times, it's even used on devices with "real" browsers.
Re:Snappiest beast out there (Score:3, Insightful)
While Opera is indeed also quite fast in those benchmarks, I believe what OP was talking about is overall feel when using it, and how heavy treatment it can stand gracefully. It's far beyond any other browser in that regard (and yeah, I like that aspect of it a lot).
Re:It still fails at my simple CSS test. (Score:5, Insightful)
I was under the impression, that "offsetHeight" was nonstandard and not recommended to be used anyway...
Re:It still fails at my simple CSS test. (Score:5, Insightful)
Seeing as I still have all these at my disposal (see some older thread on browsers..)
IE8: fine
FF3.5.2: fine
Safari 4.0.3: fine; although I can't resize vertically completely. The extent of the lime-colored rectangle is always a minimum size to encompass the red rectangle. Can't check horizontally because the window won't resize small enough there :)
Chrome 2.0.172.43: fine
cat: fine too (*groan*)
Opera 9.64: yup, broken.. slow to redraw, the vertical scrollbar pops into and out of existance, the boxes end up overflowing or not being sized right, etc.
Opera 10.00: also broken.. if I very slowly drag the bottom edge of the window up, the resizing happens in 'pops'. basically any time the top edge of the bottom (status) bar is hitting the bottom edge of the lime-colored rectangle, a resize occurs (vertical scrollbar pops into view, resize occurs, vertical scrollbar pops out of view). If, instead, I do it a little faster.. it just doesn't respond in time at all and I can no longer see the bottom are of the lime rectangle, the vertical scrollbar stays in place, etc. In either case, expanding the window vertically from the window's bottom edge does -not- expand the rectangles again.
Note that this behavior -is- different from 9. 9 -would- smoothly resize as the bottom edge of the window is being dragged... it's just that it resizes incorrectly
Platform: Windows Vista
Re:That is impressive (Score:4, Insightful)
Hey it's my web browser. What I filter with it is my own business. For that matter, my choice of user-agent string is my business as well.
Stick to spamming IE users and illiterates. It's more profitable and less annoying to those who might threaten your existence.
Re:rendering Slashdot (Score:4, Insightful)
Really... I'd like to know. Firefox, Opera, Safari, Chrome, and Internet Explorer all have issues.
Still great after all these years (Score:3, Insightful)
I have been using Opera since Opera version 4 ish - still prefer it above all others and have tried all the rest, but it is still faster, better layout, and more customizable to my taste than any other option. It also wins completely on GUI speed, and on keyboard navigation.
Just started with 10 now, and Opera still has it.
When I do web development, and want "inspect this" element and a browse-able dom tree - I use Firefox. To do layout checking and rendering checking, we fire up both Safari and IE. But for day to day, with 20-50 tabs open, browsing around... Opera is the one that works best.
ALREADY one new feature I LOVE: inline spell checking while I write! (This was one thing I wanted but it took a while for Opera to catch up to FF, and had to add a JavaScript user-side spell checker.)
Correct, but please note... (Score:4, Insightful)
Correct, you're not 'supposed' to use offsetHeight. Oddly enough Mozilla and whatnot thought that was actually a reasonable idea out of MS and implemented it as well, so I guess there's room for -a- function/property like it.
But please note that the linked demo page does not use offsetHeight or any scripting at all. It's pure CSS.
( I'm just guessing a lot of users are not going to read the original post or even check the demo page and simply read "My page doesn't work" and "offsetHeight is nonstandard anyway" and will dismiss the demo page. )
There might be other ways to achieve the same as that page, I'm not a CSS guru (I've got my own problematic page to which I've not seen any answer that didn't involve using javascript; ended up working around it on the server end where I know the size of the content (image). CSS layouts are very, very poor for any actual layout work, even if it's nice for 'fluid' layouts that will work on anything from giant screens to black and white text-only devices) /nokarma
Re:That is impressive (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:best browser out there (Score:4, Insightful)
"Best" is largely subjective, but Opera has some pretty clear disadvantages.
IE has the advantage of being bundled with most desktop and laptop computers.
Safari has the advantage of being bundled with Apple hardware.
Firefox is included with many Linux distros, and is libre, which is a big deal with a certain segment of the market (which, while not a large segment, is a big part of the group that care enough to use anything other than the platform default browser in the first place.)
Opera is neither bundled with anything popular, nor libre.
Re:That is impressive (Score:4, Insightful)
Could it be because the first sign that Mozilla is actively including a list of ads to block, they will be sued into the ground in the US and other places for interfering with other people's income? And while they might win such a lawsuit, don't they have better ways to spend their money?
And if they were to lose such a lawsuit, Mozilla might get off somewhat easy, as they are a non-profit organization. Opera on the other hand isn't.
Firstly, Opera Software is a Norwegian corporation. It would be Norwegian laws and court that would apply, not US ones. :)
Secondly, theres really no law against "interfering with other people's income". All the other ad blocker software would get sued then. Hell, virus writers and criminals could sue you and police because they're interfering with their income
And if you want to be really pedantic, the one thing that Firefox still kind of needs is a built in ad blocker that's as good as Adblock.
Opera's way however is different than Firefox. They like to build all the features natively in. And its great because I dont have to go hunt for every random addon that might be sub-standard; everything you need is build in (and hence doesn't take resources as much either) and is consistent in both quality and in usage.
Re:That is impressive (Score:3, Insightful)
Could it be because the first sign that Mozilla is actively including a list of ads to block, they will be sued into the ground in the US and other places for interfering with other people's income?
Huh? This doesn't even make sense. Please provide any statutory or case law that even remotely would back one bringing such a frivolous lawsuit.
Re:email? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why does a WEB BROWSER need to support rich text email?
Because Opera is NOT a web browser but an Internet suite: it manages web, email, newsgroup, rss feeds, bittorrent and IRC. There's also a preview version that includes a web server (Opera Unite). And with all this it's still smaller (on disk and in memory) than Firefox alone.
Re:That is impressive (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Not free (Score:2, Insightful)
Personally I'm a bit of a gnu zealot and that is why I'm holding on to firefox over chrome/opera, but i do find it interesting that a lot of people claim "open source software is more secure because you can view the source", then go on to run a closed app in one of the most vulnerable position on a system.
Hmm, I believe this has something to do with "open source" values vs. "free software" values. The open source movement tries to convey the message, that open source produces better quality software. Since it's only the quality of the software that matters, "open source fans" are more likely to use what works better for them. People, who really care about freedom, however, are much less likely to use Opera. However, since there are different kinds of freedom, when talking about web browsers, things can get a little confusing, so let me clarify:
- Opera promotes open standards (HTML, CSS) for the web, so it fights for the freedom to be able to use any browser that you choose (including free ones), and still be able to access the web. However, Firefox does the same thing also, and actually has been a lot more successful in achieving that, since it was the first browser to grab a significant marketshare from IE.
- Firefox itself is also free software by the FSF definition, so it also has all the benefits that follow from that: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html [gnu.org]
Personally, I'd never even consider using Opera, unless they release it under a free license. And I don't care if other people use it or not, as it is not a threat to free software, so it doesn't really affect me at all. The real threat for free software on the web right now is IMHO Adobe Flash, which still has no usable free alternative, and which I'm forced to use under Linux, although I hate it.
And actually, Google Chrome is free/open source, at least according to the license. The only problem with it is that it was initially developed in secret internally by Google (which kinda violates the free/open source spirit) and only supports Windows, which is non-free (although a Linux version is being worked on).