neonsignal writes "Opera 10 has been released. It now supports rich text email, the 'turbo' Opera proxy server feature, some HTML 5 support, XML 'pretty printing,' extra skinning features, and a 100/100 score in the Acid3 test. There has been no official announcement as yet."
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Am I the only one who realizes that the #/100 on the ACID3 test is not the number of tests completed and that it isn't a score? It should be the number of tests -started-. Like the ACID1 and ACID2 tests, it's either correct or it isn't.
No, it *is* the number of tests successfully passed. A 100/100 however does *not* indicate a pass, browsers need to pass all the tests at over 30fps to pass the whole test.
I've never quite understood why the best browser has the lowest market share...
I have been using Opera as my main browser for about 2 years, and I believe that once you get used to it you can never go back..
I've never quite understood why the best browser has the lowest market share...
"Best" is largely subjective, but Opera has some pretty clear disadvantages.
IE has the advantage of being bundled with most desktop and laptop computers. Safari has the advantage of being bundled with Apple hardware. Firefox is included with many Linux distros, and is libre, which is a big deal with a certain segment of the market (which, while not a large segment, is a big part of the group that care enough to use anything other than the platform default browser in the first place.) Opera is neither bundled with anything popular, nor libre.
I reported this about a year ago. [opera.com] Create a simple page, with two absolute positioned DIVs, nested one inside the other. Resize the browser vertically (but not horizontally). Watch as the DIVs are no longer positioned according to your specification.
The consequences get a bit more catastrophic with applications with larger quantities of nested DIVs. Things really start to break when you start measuring using Element.offsetHeight.
Apologies for posting it here...again...but I'm tired of replying to users who ask "why does component X not render properly in Opera, it passes Acid3 thus something must be wrong with the component."
I'd love to use Opera more, but every version (including 10) seems to suffer from rendering issues that are often readily apparent on major websites that don't seem to affect any other browser. I don't know whether its the browser or the website, but either way they dissuade me from continued use of Opera. Checkout the weekend view http://www.weather.com/weather/weekend/USIL0225?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared [weather.com] for example.
I'd love to use Opera more, but every version (including 10) seems to suffer from rendering issues that are often readily apparent on major websites that don't seem to affect any other browser.
That's because the other browsers aren't victims of browser sniffing the way Opera is. Most of the time you can simply mask as Firefox, and it "magically" starts working.
Correct, you're not 'supposed' to use offsetHeight. Oddly enough Mozilla and whatnot thought that was actually a reasonable idea out of MS and implemented it as well, so I guess there's room for -a- function/property like it.
But please note that the linked demo page does not use offsetHeight or any scripting at all. It's pure CSS. ( I'm just guessing a lot of users are not going to read the original post or even check the demo page and simply read "My page doesn't work" and "offsetHeight is nonstandard anyway" and will dismiss the demo page. )
There might be other ways to achieve the same as that page, I'm not a CSS guru (I've got my own problematic page to which I've not seen any answer that didn't involve using javascript; ended up working around it on the server end where I know the size of the content (image). CSS layouts are very, very poor for any actual layout work, even if it's nice for 'fluid' layouts that will work on anything from giant screens to black and white text-only devices)/nokarma
Seeing as I still have all these at my disposal (see some older thread on browsers..)
IE8: fine
FF3.5.2: fine
Safari 4.0.3: fine; although I can't resize vertically completely. The extent of the lime-colored rectangle is always a minimum size to encompass the red rectangle. Can't check horizontally because the window won't resize small enough there:)
Chrome 2.0.172.43: fine
cat: fine too (*groan*)
Opera 9.64: yup, broken.. slow to redraw, the vertical scrollbar pops into and out of existance, the boxes end up overflowing or not being sized right, etc.
Opera 10.00: also broken.. if I very slowly drag the bottom edge of the window up, the resizing happens in 'pops'. basically any time the top edge of the bottom (status) bar is hitting the bottom edge of the lime-colored rectangle, a resize occurs (vertical scrollbar pops into view, resize occurs, vertical scrollbar pops out of view). If, instead, I do it a little faster.. it just doesn't respond in time at all and I can no longer see the bottom are of the lime rectangle, the vertical scrollbar stays in place, etc. In either case, expanding the window vertically from the window's bottom edge does -not- expand the rectangles again.
Note that this behavior -is- different from 9. 9 -would- smoothly resize as the bottom edge of the window is being dragged... it's just that it resizes incorrectly
I have been using Opera since Opera version 4 ish - still prefer it above all others and have tried all the rest, but it is still faster, better layout, and more customizable to my taste than any other option. It also wins completely on GUI speed, and on keyboard navigation.
Just started with 10 now, and Opera still has it.
When I do web development, and want "inspect this" element and a browse-able dom tree - I use Firefox. To do layout checking and rendering checking, we fire up both Safari and IE. But for day to day, with 20-50 tabs open, browsing around... Opera is the one that works best.
ALREADY one new feature I LOVE: inline spell checking while I write! (This was one thing I wanted but it took a while for Opera to catch up to FF, and had to add a JavaScript user-side spell checker.)
Does it support the W3C standard for MVC markup [w3.org] yet, or is Opera still cherry-picking stanards that suit its business model more than those of its users?
I never tried 9 but I just installed 10 and it's running Slashdot beautifully! I hate to admit it, but it's certainly faster than my Firefox. If it only ran XMarks...
It was released for all Windows, Mac OS and Linux.
Opera has always been my favourite browser. It has pretty much everything packed in that you want and need, and still its really lightweight and smooth. Even firefox doesn't get close, a lot of times it feels quite non-smooth. Responsiveness from the GUI and things like scrolling does *a lot*. And its consistent on every platform, and always has been *the browser* to push new things on browsers. Mouse gestures, speed dial, advanced browsers on Wii/Mobile phones etc.
The old "Next" page [opera.com] also has been updated with little bit of information about 10.10, which will include Opera Unite. So its not included in this version yet.
Another interesting thing about Opera is that its marketshare on CIS countries [opera.com] is more than IE/FF/Other browsers. Are they just technically more aware or whats the cause for that?
And its consistent on every platform, and always has been *the browser* to push new things on browsers.
While Opera does have a lot of neat features, Google Gears support and the new fast Javascript engine haven't been released, these features do make web apps such as Gmai, Google Docs and Buxfer a lot better.
Another interesting thing about Opera is that its marketshare on CIS countries [opera.com] is more than IE/FF/Other browsers. Are they just technically more aware or whats the cause for that?
When Opera wasn't free, people could easily crack it, Opera was a lot faster on dialup connections (because it rendered pages immediately instead of waiting for them to load completely), it had caching that was actually useful and didn't need a lot of system resouces. So installing a "free" browser resulted in faster and cheaper internet. The latest Opera versions are installed because people remember how fast it was. It's still a great browser, and if other browsers aren't a lot better then why bother migrating?
Opera Mini seems to repeat the same success story, GPRS/EDGE internet is slow and pretty expensive in CIS (around $0.15-$0.20 per megabyte), and because Opera Mini compresses reduces the pages' size by 5-20 times, it's even used on devices with "real" browsers.
Actually the only thing Opera still kind of needs is as good ad blocker as adblock. While it does have its feature for blocking content, it doesn't have lists and it doesn't always work as good. I know you could find lists for it and put them in the config files, but it's not as comfortable and still doesn't work as good.
Thats why I've always used Ad Muncher [admuncher.com] tho, it does the ad blocking perfectly (and not just in Opera, but all browsers). But Opera should really fine tune their ad blocking features. Otherwise there's no really features I can come up thats missing in Opera.
Some ad servers are deliberately made incompatible with Firefox with Adblock installed, sometimes resulting in javascript alerts, sometimes the page never stops loading because it seems to be trying reloading the banner ad until it succeeds (or perhaps doing some tricky onload callback, I'm not sure). Opera's ad blocker is mostly immune to these tricks, and blocking lists can be easily downloaded from third-party sites. I think what Opera needs more is Flashblock, because pages that suddenly make sounds or start downloading HD videos without asking are disgusting.
So... you want Opera to include in their main browser a feature that you know is an optional 3rd party plug-in in for Firefox?
Have you considered why Adblock might be a 3rd party plug-in? Apart from the "barebones" bit. Could it be because the first sign that Mozilla is actively including a list of ads to block, they will be sued into the ground in the US and other places for interfering with other people's income? And while they might win such a lawsuit, don't they have better ways to spend their money?
And if they were to lose such a lawsuit, Mozilla might get off somewhat easy, as they are a non-profit organization. Opera on the other hand isn't.
Now, is it possible to make a third party addition to Opera that shares adsites to block? Certainly. I'm willing to bet that it's also possible to use the same lists that Adblock uses. To make things easy to start with, it could use mvps' [mvps.org] list as a starter.
Basically it boils down to the same complaints you hear about Linux from people who are used to Windows: "but I need $program, and I don't want to look for replacements".
Now, what is the best option for you? I have the faintest idea. I'm quite satisfied with the built in filtering as it is. If I go to a site that has some annoying banners, it rarely takes me more than 30 seconds to block them, and I can live with that.
Is it as effective as Adblock? No clue - I don't use Adblock or Firefox if I can avoid it. It lacks the basic things that I love in Opera. Funny how that works out - one man's must have item is another man's "meh".
And if you want to be really pedantic, the one thing that Firefox still kind of needs is a built in ad blocker that's as good as Adblock.
Could it be because the first sign that Mozilla is actively including a list of ads to block, they will be sued into the ground in the US and other places for interfering with other people's income? And while they might win such a lawsuit, don't they have better ways to spend their money?
And if they were to lose such a lawsuit, Mozilla might get off somewhat easy, as they are a non-profit organization. Opera on the other hand isn't.
Firstly, Opera Software is a Norwegian corporation. It would be Norwegian laws and court that would apply, not US ones. Secondly, theres really no law against "interfering with other people's income". All the other ad blocker software would get sued then. Hell, virus writers and criminals could sue you and police because they're interfering with their income:)
And if you want to be really pedantic, the one thing that Firefox still kind of needs is a built in ad blocker that's as good as Adblock.
Opera's way however is different than Firefox. They like to build all the features natively in. And its great because I dont have to go hunt for every random addon that might be sub-standard; everything you need is build in (and hence doesn't take resources as much either) and is consistent in both quality and in usage.
Could it be because the first sign that Mozilla is actively including a list of ads to block, they will be sued into the ground in the US and other places for interfering with other people's income?
Huh? This doesn't even make sense. Please provide any statutory or case law that even remotely would back one bringing such a frivolous lawsuit.
While Opera does have a lot of neat features, Google Gears support and the new fast Javascript engine haven't been released, these features do make web apps such as Gmai, Google Docs and Buxfer a lot better.
Sorry to disappoint you, but V8, Carakan, etc. are for nothing but bragging rights these days. Someone did an analysis. About 10% at most of CPU cycles were taken up by JavaScript even on sites like Gmail. The real performance gains on real sites today are not JavaScript at all.
So am I. The quoted 10% number is meaningless if, for instance, the cpu consumption shot to 100% for a second after every mouse click, and sat at 1% at all other times. It might average to 10%, but still feel hideously slow.
It really is unfortunate that Nintendo said no to tabs on the Wii. I use a page that simulates tabs to have a few pages open at once (they are just loaded into iframes with tabs that switch between them). The machine starts to chug real bad at 3 tabs if they all have flash or 6 tabs if they don't. I think a browser would have to be built from the ground up for the Wii for it to really feel good and useful (although I do actually enjoy browsing on the Wii).
While Opera is indeed also quite fast in those benchmarks, I believe what OP was talking about is overall feel when using it, and how heavy treatment it can stand gracefully. It's far beyond any other browser in that regard (and yeah, I like that aspect of it a lot).
Ex-Opera employee here: Yes, the same code base is used for mobile and device versions of Opera.
Usually the versions used lags a little behind the desktop version, as a desktop version can allow to use more CPU and memory. No idea if 10.0 is in any mobile versions yet (perhaps Opera Mini is). When I worked there, the Opera 9 code base was starting to get into a lot of mobile projects.
You can still reuse things like rendering engine and most of the system. Remember that Opera is also available for Mac OS and Linux and they obviously aren't using Win32 API there.
That is why he said code base, and that it lags behind because you obviously have to port some things.
How is that possible? Opera Mini, for example, is a MIDP 2.0 (Java 2 Micro Edition) application, while the desktop Opera appears to be C/C++.
Opera Mini is just a thin application. The actual "browser", or the engine, runs on a server.
I suppose that Windows Mobile edition of Opera Mobile shares code with the desktop Opera browser (which is already coded to the Win32 API), but the Opera Mobile for the Symbian phones would almost certainly have to be Java, right?
Nope. They use the same engine (the biggest and most complex part of a browser), but not necessarily the same UI.
1) You can change that behaviour in preferences. Preferences -> Advanced -> Tabs When closing a tab - Activate the last active tab - Activate the next tab - Activate first tab opened from current tab
Personally I really prefer to go back to last active tab - it speeds up things a lot, atleast for me.
2) You could try emptying cache on exit always Preferences -> Advanced -> History -> Empty on exit On same page is always Check if document is updated on server, where I have "Always" and I think they do update when I start Opera.
It's obvious why this is moded troll, however i believe you have a point. Personally I'm a bit of a gnu zealot and that is why I'm holding on to firefox over chrome/opera, but i do find it interesting that a lot of people claim "open source software is more secure because you can view the source", then go on to run a closed app in one of the most vulnerable position on a system.
opera has a brilliant built in email client and rss reader. they went for the approach of filter/search rather than sort long before gmail made it popular
I hit f4 to show my email & rss on the right of the screen. You can see an old version here:
Why does a WEB BROWSER need to support rich text email?
Because Opera is NOT a web browser but an Internet suite: it manages web, email, newsgroup, rss feeds, bittorrent and IRC. There's also a preview version that includes a web server (Opera Unite). And with all this it's still smaller (on disk and in memory) than Firefox alone.
no announcement? (Score:3, Informative)
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Opera 10 browser is here [cnet.com]
Re:no announcement? (Score:5, Informative)
Press release [opera.com]
Maybe it wasn't online at the time of submission, but now it is.
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Announced on Twitter (Score:2, Informative)
Opera 10 final was announced on twitter over 6 hours ago. http://twitter.com/opera [twitter.com]
Re:Announced on Twitter (Score:5, Funny)
Oh my ${deity}, six hours !!! That's like AGES ago !
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It's not a score! (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:It's not a score! (Score:5, Informative)
No, it *is* the number of tests successfully passed. A 100/100 however does *not* indicate a pass, browsers need to pass all the tests at over 30fps to pass the whole test.
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best browser out there (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:best browser out there (Score:4, Insightful)
"Best" is largely subjective, but Opera has some pretty clear disadvantages.
IE has the advantage of being bundled with most desktop and laptop computers.
Safari has the advantage of being bundled with Apple hardware.
Firefox is included with many Linux distros, and is libre, which is a big deal with a certain segment of the market (which, while not a large segment, is a big part of the group that care enough to use anything other than the platform default browser in the first place.)
Opera is neither bundled with anything popular, nor libre.
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It still fails at my simple CSS test. (Score:5, Interesting)
My example: http://echo.nextapp.com/content/test/operacss/ [nextapp.com]
The consequences get a bit more catastrophic with applications with larger quantities of nested DIVs. Things really start to break when you start measuring using Element.offsetHeight.
Apologies for posting it here...again...but I'm tired of replying to users who ask "why does component X not render properly in Opera, it passes Acid3 thus something must be wrong with the component."
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I'd love to use Opera more, but every version (including 10) seems to suffer from rendering issues that are often readily apparent on major websites that don't seem to affect any other browser. I don't know whether its the browser or the website, but either way they dissuade me from continued use of Opera. Checkout the weekend view http://www.weather.com/weather/weekend/USIL0225?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared [weather.com] for example.
Re:It still fails at my simple CSS test. (Score:4, Insightful)
That's because the other browsers aren't victims of browser sniffing the way Opera is. Most of the time you can simply mask as Firefox, and it "magically" starts working.
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Re:It still fails at my simple CSS test. (Score:5, Insightful)
I was under the impression, that "offsetHeight" was nonstandard and not recommended to be used anyway...
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Correct, but please note... (Score:4, Insightful)
Correct, you're not 'supposed' to use offsetHeight. Oddly enough Mozilla and whatnot thought that was actually a reasonable idea out of MS and implemented it as well, so I guess there's room for -a- function/property like it.
But please note that the linked demo page does not use offsetHeight or any scripting at all. It's pure CSS.
( I'm just guessing a lot of users are not going to read the original post or even check the demo page and simply read "My page doesn't work" and "offsetHeight is nonstandard anyway" and will dismiss the demo page. )
There might be other ways to achieve the same as that page, I'm not a CSS guru (I've got my own problematic page to which I've not seen any answer that didn't involve using javascript; ended up working around it on the server end where I know the size of the content (image). CSS layouts are very, very poor for any actual layout work, even if it's nice for 'fluid' layouts that will work on anything from giant screens to black and white text-only devices) /nokarma
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Re:It still fails at my simple CSS test. (Score:5, Insightful)
Seeing as I still have all these at my disposal (see some older thread on browsers..)
IE8: fine
FF3.5.2: fine
Safari 4.0.3: fine; although I can't resize vertically completely. The extent of the lime-colored rectangle is always a minimum size to encompass the red rectangle. Can't check horizontally because the window won't resize small enough there :)
Chrome 2.0.172.43: fine
cat: fine too (*groan*)
Opera 9.64: yup, broken.. slow to redraw, the vertical scrollbar pops into and out of existance, the boxes end up overflowing or not being sized right, etc.
Opera 10.00: also broken.. if I very slowly drag the bottom edge of the window up, the resizing happens in 'pops'. basically any time the top edge of the bottom (status) bar is hitting the bottom edge of the lime-colored rectangle, a resize occurs (vertical scrollbar pops into view, resize occurs, vertical scrollbar pops out of view). If, instead, I do it a little faster.. it just doesn't respond in time at all and I can no longer see the bottom are of the lime rectangle, the vertical scrollbar stays in place, etc. In either case, expanding the window vertically from the window's bottom edge does -not- expand the rectangles again.
Note that this behavior -is- different from 9. 9 -would- smoothly resize as the bottom edge of the window is being dragged... it's just that it resizes incorrectly
Platform: Windows Vista
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Opera 10 trailer (Score:4, Informative)
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I hope the new version includes the revolutionary face gestures [youtube.com] feature...
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Still great after all these years (Score:3, Insightful)
I have been using Opera since Opera version 4 ish - still prefer it above all others and have tried all the rest, but it is still faster, better layout, and more customizable to my taste than any other option. It also wins completely on GUI speed, and on keyboard navigation.
Just started with 10 now, and Opera still has it.
When I do web development, and want "inspect this" element and a browse-able dom tree - I use Firefox. To do layout checking and rendering checking, we fire up both Safari and IE. But for day to day, with 20-50 tabs open, browsing around... Opera is the one that works best.
ALREADY one new feature I LOVE: inline spell checking while I write! (This was one thing I wanted but it took a while for Opera to catch up to FF, and had to add a JavaScript user-side spell checker.)
Does it support the W3C standard for MVC (Score:4, Interesting)
Does it support the W3C standard for MVC markup [w3.org] yet, or is Opera still cherry-picking stanards that suit its business model more than those of its users?
Don't bother trying it (Score:5, Funny)
It is a joke of a browser. Just use the industry standard: Internet Explorer. It's fast and extremely secure.
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Re:rendering Slashdot (Score:4, Informative)
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Re:rendering Slashdot (Score:5, Informative)
And besides that Opera is also the most slashdot oriented browser. Just type /. to address bar and off you go to slashdot.
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Re:rendering Slashdot (Score:5, Funny)
Can anything??
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Re:rendering Slashdot (Score:4, Insightful)
Really... I'd like to know. Firefox, Opera, Safari, Chrome, and Internet Explorer all have issues.
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Re:That is impressive (Score:5, Interesting)
But does it run on Linux?
It was released for all Windows, Mac OS and Linux.
Opera has always been my favourite browser. It has pretty much everything packed in that you want and need, and still its really lightweight and smooth. Even firefox doesn't get close, a lot of times it feels quite non-smooth. Responsiveness from the GUI and things like scrolling does *a lot*. And its consistent on every platform, and always has been *the browser* to push new things on browsers. Mouse gestures, speed dial, advanced browsers on Wii/Mobile phones etc.
The old "Next" page [opera.com] also has been updated with little bit of information about 10.10, which will include Opera Unite. So its not included in this version yet.
Another interesting thing about Opera is that its marketshare on CIS countries [opera.com] is more than IE/FF/Other browsers. Are they just technically more aware or whats the cause for that?
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Re:That is impressive (Score:4, Insightful)
And its consistent on every platform, and always has been *the browser* to push new things on browsers.
While Opera does have a lot of neat features, Google Gears support and the new fast Javascript engine haven't been released, these features do make web apps such as Gmai, Google Docs and Buxfer a lot better.
Another interesting thing about Opera is that its marketshare on CIS countries [opera.com] is more than IE/FF/Other browsers. Are they just technically more aware or whats the cause for that?
When Opera wasn't free, people could easily crack it, Opera was a lot faster on dialup connections (because it rendered pages immediately instead of waiting for them to load completely), it had caching that was actually useful and didn't need a lot of system resouces. So installing a "free" browser resulted in faster and cheaper internet. The latest Opera versions are installed because people remember how fast it was. It's still a great browser, and if other browsers aren't a lot better then why bother migrating?
Opera Mini seems to repeat the same success story, GPRS/EDGE internet is slow and pretty expensive in CIS (around $0.15-$0.20 per megabyte), and because Opera Mini compresses reduces the pages' size by 5-20 times, it's even used on devices with "real" browsers.
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Re:That is impressive (Score:5, Informative)
Actually the only thing Opera still kind of needs is as good ad blocker as adblock. While it does have its feature for blocking content, it doesn't have lists and it doesn't always work as good. I know you could find lists for it and put them in the config files, but it's not as comfortable and still doesn't work as good.
Thats why I've always used Ad Muncher [admuncher.com] tho, it does the ad blocking perfectly (and not just in Opera, but all browsers). But Opera should really fine tune their ad blocking features. Otherwise there's no really features I can come up thats missing in Opera.
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Re:That is impressive (Score:5, Informative)
Some ad servers are deliberately made incompatible with Firefox with Adblock installed, sometimes resulting in javascript alerts, sometimes the page never stops loading because it seems to be trying reloading the banner ad until it succeeds (or perhaps doing some tricky onload callback, I'm not sure). Opera's ad blocker is mostly immune to these tricks, and blocking lists can be easily downloaded from third-party sites. I think what Opera needs more is Flashblock, because pages that suddenly make sounds or start downloading HD videos without asking are disgusting.
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Re:That is impressive (Score:5, Interesting)
So ... you want Opera to include in their main browser a feature that you know is an optional 3rd party plug-in in for Firefox?
Have you considered why Adblock might be a 3rd party plug-in? Apart from the "barebones" bit. Could it be because the first sign that Mozilla is actively including a list of ads to block, they will be sued into the ground in the US and other places for interfering with other people's income? And while they might win such a lawsuit, don't they have better ways to spend their money?
And if they were to lose such a lawsuit, Mozilla might get off somewhat easy, as they are a non-profit organization. Opera on the other hand isn't.
Now, is it possible to make a third party addition to Opera that shares adsites to block? Certainly. I'm willing to bet that it's also possible to use the same lists that Adblock uses. To make things easy to start with, it could use mvps' [mvps.org] list as a starter.
And, if you really want to be pedantic, there's always the option of using Google [google.com] to find what you're looking for. There seems to be quite few attempts at recreating Adblock:
Tamil's My.Opera blog [opera.com]
OperaWiki.info has some suggestions [operawiki.info]
Lex1's blog on My.Opera also has some ideas [opera.com]
There's even a Flashblock for Opera [opera.com]
Basically it boils down to the same complaints you hear about Linux from people who are used to Windows: "but I need $program, and I don't want to look for replacements".
Now, what is the best option for you? I have the faintest idea. I'm quite satisfied with the built in filtering as it is. If I go to a site that has some annoying banners, it rarely takes me more than 30 seconds to block them, and I can live with that.
Is it as effective as Adblock? No clue - I don't use Adblock or Firefox if I can avoid it. It lacks the basic things that I love in Opera. Funny how that works out - one man's must have item is another man's "meh".
And if you want to be really pedantic, the one thing that Firefox still kind of needs is a built in ad blocker that's as good as Adblock.
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Re:That is impressive (Score:4, Insightful)
Could it be because the first sign that Mozilla is actively including a list of ads to block, they will be sued into the ground in the US and other places for interfering with other people's income? And while they might win such a lawsuit, don't they have better ways to spend their money?
And if they were to lose such a lawsuit, Mozilla might get off somewhat easy, as they are a non-profit organization. Opera on the other hand isn't.
Firstly, Opera Software is a Norwegian corporation. It would be Norwegian laws and court that would apply, not US ones. :)
Secondly, theres really no law against "interfering with other people's income". All the other ad blocker software would get sued then. Hell, virus writers and criminals could sue you and police because they're interfering with their income
And if you want to be really pedantic, the one thing that Firefox still kind of needs is a built in ad blocker that's as good as Adblock.
Opera's way however is different than Firefox. They like to build all the features natively in. And its great because I dont have to go hunt for every random addon that might be sub-standard; everything you need is build in (and hence doesn't take resources as much either) and is consistent in both quality and in usage.
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Could it be because the first sign that Mozilla is actively including a list of ads to block, they will be sued into the ground in the US and other places for interfering with other people's income?
Huh? This doesn't even make sense. Please provide any statutory or case law that even remotely would back one bringing such a frivolous lawsuit.
Re:That is impressive (Score:4, Insightful)
Hey it's my web browser. What I filter with it is my own business. For that matter, my choice of user-agent string is my business as well.
Stick to spamming IE users and illiterates. It's more profitable and less annoying to those who might threaten your existence.
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Re:That is impressive (Score:5, Interesting)
Sorry to disappoint you, but V8, Carakan, etc. are for nothing but bragging rights these days. Someone did an analysis. About 10% at most of CPU cycles were taken up by JavaScript even on sites like Gmail. The real performance gains on real sites today are not JavaScript at all.
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Re:That is impressive (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:That is impressive (Score:5, Informative)
But does it run on Linux?
It runs on these OSs:
You can also see specialized versions for your distro of choice on their site [opera.com]
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While Opera is indeed also quite fast in those benchmarks, I believe what OP was talking about is overall feel when using it, and how heavy treatment it can stand gracefully. It's far beyond any other browser in that regard (and yeah, I like that aspect of it a lot).
Re:Snappiest beast out there (Score:5, Informative)
Usually the versions used lags a little behind the desktop version, as a desktop version can allow to use more CPU and memory. No idea if 10.0 is in any mobile versions yet (perhaps Opera Mini is). When I worked there, the Opera 9 code base was starting to get into a lot of mobile projects.
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Re:Snappiest beast out there (Score:4, Informative)
You can still reuse things like rendering engine and most of the system. Remember that Opera is also available for Mac OS and Linux and they obviously aren't using Win32 API there.
That is why he said code base, and that it lags behind because you obviously have to port some things.
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Re:Snappiest beast out there (Score:5, Interesting)
Opera Mini is just a thin application. The actual "browser", or the engine, runs on a server.
Nope. They use the same engine (the biggest and most complex part of a browser), but not necessarily the same UI.
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Re:Couple of questions (Score:5, Informative)
1) You can change that behaviour in preferences.
Preferences -> Advanced -> Tabs
When closing a tab
- Activate the last active tab
- Activate the next tab
- Activate first tab opened from current tab
Personally I really prefer to go back to last active tab - it speeds up things a lot, atleast for me.
2) You could try emptying cache on exit always
Preferences -> Advanced -> History -> Empty on exit
On same page is always Check if document is updated on server, where I have "Always" and I think they do update when I start Opera.
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Re:plugins? (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Not free (Score:4, Interesting)
It's obvious why this is moded troll, however i believe you have a point.
Personally I'm a bit of a gnu zealot and that is why I'm holding on to firefox over chrome/opera, but i do find it interesting that a lot of people claim "open source software is more secure because you can view the source", then go on to run a closed app in one of the most vulnerable position on a system.
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Re:email? (Score:5, Informative)
opera has a brilliant built in email client and rss reader.
they went for the approach of filter/search rather than sort long before gmail made it popular
I hit f4 to show my email & rss on the right of the screen. You can see an old version here:
http://www.freeemailtutorials.com/operaM2/operaMailInterface.cwd [freeemailtutorials.com]
rss is treated much like a seperate mail account
I love it.
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Re:email? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why does a WEB BROWSER need to support rich text email?
Because Opera is NOT a web browser but an Internet suite: it manages web, email, newsgroup, rss feeds, bittorrent and IRC. There's also a preview version that includes a web server (Opera Unite). And with all this it's still smaller (on disk and in memory) than Firefox alone.
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