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Opera 10.0 Released 325

Posted by CmdrTaco
from the making-a-grab-for-two-percent dept.
neonsignal writes "Opera 10 has been released. It now supports rich text email, the 'turbo' Opera proxy server feature, some HTML 5 support, XML 'pretty printing,' extra skinning features, and a 100/100 score in the Acid3 test. There has been no official announcement as yet."
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Opera 10.0 Released

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  • no announcement? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Mishotaki (957104) on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @08:22AM (#29272287)
    They might not have announced it, but if i click "check for updates", i get that version 10.0 is available...
  • Announced on Twitter (Score:2, Informative)

    by bodger_uk (882864)

    Opera 10 final was announced on twitter over 6 hours ago. http://twitter.com/opera [twitter.com]

  • It's not a score! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by nmalinoski (1216950)
    Am I the only one who realizes that the #/100 on the ACID3 test is not the number of tests completed and that it isn't a score? It should be the number of tests -started-. Like the ACID1 and ACID2 tests, it's either correct or it isn't.
  • I use Opera all the time, but it has issues printing a lot of stuff. Of course it always had is issues rendering many pages too. The UI is the reason I use it though. It is far and away better than the rest.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by TheRaven64 (641858)
      What issues printing? Last time I checked, Opera was the only major browser to correctly handle the pagination-related CSS directives.
  • by spyk (1272152) on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @08:36AM (#29272417)
    I've never quite understood why the best browser has the lowest market share... I have been using Opera as my main browser for about 2 years, and I believe that once you get used to it you can never go back..
    • For me it was a question of add ins. I stuck with Firefox because of XMarks/FoxMarks. It's still not available for Opera but they do have an IE add in for it and I'll probably take more interest in seeing how IE8 does since it has this add in.

      I will say that Opera Mobile is the best thing to hit the Windows Mobile platform in some time.
    • by DragonWriter (970822) on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @11:05AM (#29273781)

      I've never quite understood why the best browser has the lowest market share...

      "Best" is largely subjective, but Opera has some pretty clear disadvantages.

      IE has the advantage of being bundled with most desktop and laptop computers.
      Safari has the advantage of being bundled with Apple hardware.
      Firefox is included with many Linux distros, and is libre, which is a big deal with a certain segment of the market (which, while not a large segment, is a big part of the group that care enough to use anything other than the platform default browser in the first place.)
      Opera is neither bundled with anything popular, nor libre.

  • email? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Why does a WEB BROWSER need to support rich text email?

  • by TodLiebeck (633704) on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @08:43AM (#29272487) Homepage
    I reported this about a year ago. [opera.com] Create a simple page, with two absolute positioned DIVs, nested one inside the other. Resize the browser vertically (but not horizontally). Watch as the DIVs are no longer positioned according to your specification.

    My example: http://echo.nextapp.com/content/test/operacss/ [nextapp.com]

    The consequences get a bit more catastrophic with applications with larger quantities of nested DIVs. Things really start to break when you start measuring using Element.offsetHeight.

    Apologies for posting it here...again...but I'm tired of replying to users who ask "why does component X not render properly in Opera, it passes Acid3 thus something must be wrong with the component."

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by jjackalb (574662)

      I'd love to use Opera more, but every version (including 10) seems to suffer from rendering issues that are often readily apparent on major websites that don't seem to affect any other browser. I don't know whether its the browser or the website, but either way they dissuade me from continued use of Opera. Checkout the weekend view http://www.weather.com/weather/weekend/USIL0225?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared [weather.com] for example.

      • by hkmwbz (531650) on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @09:14AM (#29272761) Journal

        I'd love to use Opera more, but every version (including 10) seems to suffer from rendering issues that are often readily apparent on major websites that don't seem to affect any other browser.

        That's because the other browsers aren't victims of browser sniffing the way Opera is. Most of the time you can simply mask as Firefox, and it "magically" starts working.

        • My little unpublicized page distorts on Opera too but few of the other browsers.

    • by Joehonkie (665142)
      Works fine for me in both Opera 10.00 and Safari 4.0.3
      • Works fine in Safari 4.0.3 on Mac OS X 10.5.8: the rectangular "watermelon" smoothly resizes both horizontally and vertically whether I make the window smaller or larger.

        But I do see the bug in Opera 10.00. If I shrink the window vertically (and only vertically) then the watermelon shrinks in jumps or falls behind and brings up a vertical scrollbar. If I enlarge the window vertically, then the watermelon stays at whatever size it was before. Even a pixel of resizing horizontally forces a refresh to the p

    • by Hurricane78 (562437) <deleted@slashBLUEdot.org minus berry> on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @09:30AM (#29272931)

      I was under the impression, that "offsetHeight" was nonstandard and not recommended to be used anyway...

      • by Animaether (411575) on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @10:32AM (#29273525) Journal

        Correct, you're not 'supposed' to use offsetHeight. Oddly enough Mozilla and whatnot thought that was actually a reasonable idea out of MS and implemented it as well, so I guess there's room for -a- function/property like it.

        But please note that the linked demo page does not use offsetHeight or any scripting at all. It's pure CSS.
        ( I'm just guessing a lot of users are not going to read the original post or even check the demo page and simply read "My page doesn't work" and "offsetHeight is nonstandard anyway" and will dismiss the demo page. )

        There might be other ways to achieve the same as that page, I'm not a CSS guru (I've got my own problematic page to which I've not seen any answer that didn't involve using javascript; ended up working around it on the server end where I know the size of the content (image). CSS layouts are very, very poor for any actual layout work, even if it's nice for 'fluid' layouts that will work on anything from giant screens to black and white text-only devices) /nokarma

    • by Animaether (411575) on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @09:31AM (#29272939) Journal

      Seeing as I still have all these at my disposal (see some older thread on browsers..)

      IE8: fine

      FF3.5.2: fine

      Safari 4.0.3: fine; although I can't resize vertically completely. The extent of the lime-colored rectangle is always a minimum size to encompass the red rectangle. Can't check horizontally because the window won't resize small enough there :)

      Chrome 2.0.172.43: fine

      cat: fine too (*groan*)

      Opera 9.64: yup, broken.. slow to redraw, the vertical scrollbar pops into and out of existance, the boxes end up overflowing or not being sized right, etc.

      Opera 10.00: also broken.. if I very slowly drag the bottom edge of the window up, the resizing happens in 'pops'. basically any time the top edge of the bottom (status) bar is hitting the bottom edge of the lime-colored rectangle, a resize occurs (vertical scrollbar pops into view, resize occurs, vertical scrollbar pops out of view). If, instead, I do it a little faster.. it just doesn't respond in time at all and I can no longer see the bottom are of the lime rectangle, the vertical scrollbar stays in place, etc. In either case, expanding the window vertically from the window's bottom edge does -not- expand the rectangles again.

      Note that this behavior -is- different from 9. 9 -would- smoothly resize as the bottom edge of the window is being dragged... it's just that it resizes incorrectly

      Platform: Windows Vista

      • by wigaloo (897600)
        It would appear from the other comments that the test is failing under Windows but succeeding under linux. Can anyone test on both systems?
    • by Twinbee (767046)

      Which is why plenty of position/relative/absolute/div tests would be more useful than Acid3 imo, at least for me.

    • while i agree this sucks on opera's part, you can make a similar observation of a rendering problem of similar implications and proportions in trident, mozilla, and webkit

      they all have fixes they need to make. opera is no worse or no better

    • by elcid73 (599126)

      Works fine for me (at least as well as FF). FF is a bit smoother at adjusting the boxes than Opera, but I wouldn't have noticed otherwise.

  • Great (Score:2, Funny)

    by Vahokif (1292866)
    I'm sure both Opera users are ecstatic ;)
  • 1. Is it possible to configure Opera so that tabs behave like in FireFox? The default behavior of Opera after closing a tab to always switch to previously open tab. That totally messes up my workflow when I work with sites like Bugzilla.

    2. Is it possible to tell Opera when restoring tabs during start-up to fetch them from net, not from cache? FireFox 3.5 does the same and it is also impossible to turn off. That gave me couple of time already the shock - WTF!? AGAIN???? IMPOSSIBLE!?!?!? - caused mainly b

    • by sopssa (1498795) * <sopssa@email.com> on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @09:08AM (#29272701) Journal

      1) You can change that behaviour in preferences.
      Preferences -> Advanced -> Tabs
      When closing a tab
      - Activate the last active tab
      - Activate the next tab
      - Activate first tab opened from current tab

      Personally I really prefer to go back to last active tab - it speeds up things a lot, atleast for me.

      2) You could try emptying cache on exit always
      Preferences -> Advanced -> History -> Empty on exit
      On same page is always Check if document is updated on server, where I have "Always" and I think they do update when I start Opera.

      • Thanks a bunch!

        To the #1: it works! Finally!!

        To the #2: Opera 10 - unlike 9.x - always check for the updated page!

        I'd definitely give 10th a more serious test in the office. I need some robust tool - which can complement recently developed WebUIs for few internal applications.

        P.S. Now I even managed to make ^Tab to not to display the fancy list of tabs, but switch to next tab immediately. Slowly, Opera makes progress in my eyes.

    • 1. Yes, under Tools->Preferences->Advanced->Tabs you can choose your desired behavior "When closing a tab." 2. I think so; under Tools->Preferences->Advanced->History you can choose to "Check Documents" always.
    • by Yvanhoe (564877)
      I feel like I am hearing a IE user complaining about missing shortcuts... When you change a major software you use, especially if you are willing to use a "not for your mom" browser, you'll have to accept little changes in your workflow.
  • Opera 10 trailer (Score:4, Informative)

    by rbb (18825) <remco@NOsPam.rc6.org> on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @08:57AM (#29272607) Homepage
    Apparently they figured the release was important enough for a full-blown trailer [youtube.com] as well ;-)
    • by D Ninja (825055)

      I thought that video was a trailer for IE. Some guy singing about how he is never gonna give it up, never gonna let it down. I just had to assume.

      [Didn't watch the video. Had to assume there, too...]

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Cow Jones (615566)

      I hope the new version includes the revolutionary face gestures [youtube.com] feature...

      CJ

  • C'mon, some of us can't use Linux and are forced to use Windows here. Give US a link too!
  • Opera has had the ability to block ads and other content for as long as I can remember, long before Firefox itself even existed. All that is required is for one to install a simple .ini file [fanboy.co.nz] into Opera's user profile directory. The file must be updated manually, but it is simple enough to write a script to automatically download the new file every so often. It may not be as powerful or user-friendly as AdBlock Plus, but it works, and works well.

  • by drDugan (219551) on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @10:19AM (#29273401) Homepage

    I have been using Opera since Opera version 4 ish - still prefer it above all others and have tried all the rest, but it is still faster, better layout, and more customizable to my taste than any other option. It also wins completely on GUI speed, and on keyboard navigation.

    Just started with 10 now, and Opera still has it.

    When I do web development, and want "inspect this" element and a browse-able dom tree - I use Firefox. To do layout checking and rendering checking, we fire up both Safari and IE. But for day to day, with 20-50 tabs open, browsing around... Opera is the one that works best.

    ALREADY one new feature I LOVE: inline spell checking while I write! (This was one thing I wanted but it took a while for Opera to catch up to FF, and had to add a JavaScript user-side spell checker.)

  • Epic Fail! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by wylderide (933251)
    Recent versions have become increasingly brittle. In the "final" version (at least for linux), it's got a showstopper bug that causes it to spin in a loop anytime the cpu gets busy, causing it to eat up even more cpu time. This is nowhere near ready for release.
  • by leighklotz (192300) on Tuesday September 01, 2009 @05:19PM (#29278349) Homepage

    Does it support the W3C standard for MVC markup [w3.org] yet, or is Opera still cherry-picking stanards that suit its business model more than those of its users?

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