Wal-Mart, Amazon Battle For Online Retail's Future 272
Hugh Pickens writes "The NY Times reports that Amazon and Wal-Mart are waging a price war for the future of online retailing that is spreading through product areas like books, movies, toys, and electronics. The tussle began last month over which company had the lowest prices on the most anticipated new books and DVDs this fall, but has now spread to select video game consoles, mobile phones, even to the humble Easy-Bake Oven. 'It's not about the prices of books and movies anymore. There is a bigger battle being fought,' said Fiona Dias, executive vice president at GSI Commerce, which manages the Web sites of large retailers. 'The price-sniping by Wal-Mart is part of a greater strategic plan. They are just not going to cede their business to Amazon.' Wal-Mart, with $405 billion in sales last year, dominates by offering affordable prices to Middle America in its 4,000 stores, while Amazon, with $20 billion in sales, caters mostly to affluent urbanites who would rather not push around a cart. But Amazon is expanding its slice of the retail pie at an alarming rate — its sales shot up 28 percent in the third quarter of this year; and sales in Amazon's electronics and general merchandise business are up 44 percent. 'We have to put our foot down and refuse to let them grow more powerful,' says Dias. 'I applaud Wal-Mart. It's about time multichannel retailers stood up and refused to let their business go away.'"
Re: Products (Score:5, Informative)
Last Wednesday, Wal-Mart dropped the price of the oven to $17, from $28, as part of its "Black Friday" deals. Later the same day, Amazon cut its price, which had also been $28, to $18.
Well, color me confused, I see it as $18 on both Walmart's [walmart.com] and Amazon's [amazon.com] site.
It began last month with what appeared to be a public-relations-oriented competition on book prices, with both companies (along with Target, based in Minneapolis) dropping prices on books like "Under the Dome," by Stephen King, to below $9.
What? Walmart: $14.49 [walmart.com] Amazon: $14.50 [amazon.com]
Don't get me wrong, this is great news for consumers but I think you're just seeing preperation for a Black Friday feeding frenzy and not actual 'price wars.'
'I applaud Wal-Mart. It's about time multichannel retailers stood up and refused to let their business go away.'
Wal-Mart stays away from heavily populated areas and makes most of its bank from the heartland anyway. I actually see this as Wal-Mart trying to steal a piece of the online pie if it isn't just a little bit of good ole capitalistic competition. If you think Wal-Mart's been losing business, their stock sure isn't showing it [google.com].
Re:Stereotypes much? (Score:3, Informative)
I can't tell if you missed the meaning of Middle America meaning Middle Class, or if it was part of your joke.
Either way, I'm sure there ARE more Wal-marts in the middle of the states, since the coasts are mostly made up of Starbucks.
Re: Products (Score:5, Informative)
You think that's bad? Try being in Canada. It's like a whole other country. ;) For most stores, the online policy is "you should order lube too, because Customs is going to ream you with a cheese grater".
Add 12% tax, $5 customs handling, $45 brokerage, ~$20 shipping, and 6% duty onto just about anything you buy from the US online. Then wait 4-6 weeks for the item to arrive.
Re: Products (Score:5, Informative)
Ahhh. You must have used UPS. Pretty much everyone I know here (Ontario) avoids them for cross border shipping. They hit you with a tonne of hidden and unexpected charges and I know people who have been burnt really bad by this (ended up paying more than just buying it retail here)
Re:Amazon has one advantage (Score:5, Informative)
You can go ahead and just pay more for the same thing. I don't mind.
Except a lot of times it's not the same thing. Walmart is large enough that they can convince (read: coerce) manufacturers to making Walmart Edition versions of mainstream items. Walmart isn't the first to do this, but IS the first to do this with huge players like Whirlpool and Sony. No doubt this is because the big players can effectively be shut out of the lower middle class market by Walmart marketing the off-brands. It's a game of join the devil or die. I laugh when I see a Walmart commercial with the "Same Brands, Better Prices" theme. It's somewhat ironic that these companies that so closely guard their brand names to exploit brand recognition to imply quality are willing to undercut themselves just to get shelf space in one of the most powerful retailers in the country.
Now, those retail-specific models? You might have encountered them when trying to comparison shop and the model number you picked up from a Walmart placard cannot be found online or at other shops. Sometimes they differ by minor things: a lesser warranty or using factory-second plastic castings with a little more excess flash or slightly mismatched colors. Sometimes they differ by major things: lower class LCD panel with more permitted dead pixels or appliances with lower MTBF or lower tolerance components. A savings of pennies for a handful of resistors could mean the difference between shipping 50,000 units to Walmart or not.
That said, Amazon does it too, but for a much more customer-positive purpose. "Frustration-Free Packaging" takes manufacturer cooperation and requires them to make stuff for Amazon but it's not about presenting a false economy.
I know which company I'd rather give my money too, even if it happens to be a dollar or two more.
Re:Stereotypes much? (Score:5, Informative)
The SF bay area and LA had both Walmart and Target long before rural Wisconsin did (even though Target is a MPLS-based company). Come to think of it, so did Chicago. Walmart has never "focused on rural areas", rather, they've set up shop where they believe they'll make the most money. Urban/rural has nothing to do with it.
Re:Amazon has one advantage (Score:3, Informative)
Re: Products (Score:4, Informative)
I do a lot of cross-border pickups, both for myself and for work, and can tell you that they do start to care if they see you often enough. They do get a good laugh out of what you would have paid for it here in Canada though.
Getting in is easy, just tell them you're driving across to save yourself the ridiculous shipping and brokerage fees. As for getting out, just tell them where you were, show them the invoice, sign the form, pay the bill and off you go. Bonus points if you drive across with an empty tank and fill up on cheap gas while you're down there.
If you're in or near Winnipeg, Connie's Depot in Walhalla, ND charges $5 (USD or CAD) for small packages and $15 per pallet. There's also a gas station half a block south so you can get the aforementioned cheap gas.
Re:This is a Long Term Fight (Score:1, Informative)
Amazon also has a sophisticated website and online order fulfillment system
Not really. Their website blows:
- can't sort by prices or anything else unless you pick a department. Is a GPS in electronics or outdoor goods? You have to pick one.
- missing search terms. I can't count the number of times I wanted to narrow a search and add a keyword only to get no matches even though I'm looking at a product page with all the keywords in it.
- can't even actually sort by price or narrow by price. You select 'new' only and by '$50 - $100' range and you're going to get tons of results for things that are $300 with '1 new and used from $99' sold by some random outfit in timbuctoo. I don't want a beat up used product that's not going to arrive in 4 weeks. That's why I selected 'new' and a price range dammit.
- tons of results for exactly the same thing. Search for some widget and there are hundreds of results with the exact same picture and for the same product. Meanwhile the product you were actually looking for is on page 283 of the results. Although they have been getting a little better recently with this and most searches for substantial products don't have this problems.
Re:Walmart not as well-run as believed... (Score:3, Informative)
Re: Products (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Amazon has one advantage (Score:3, Informative)
This is really the exception and not the rule. A overwhelming majority of the items you buy at Wal-mart are the exactly same as what you would buy at any other retailers. Especially for big purchases you should be researching based on model number and can tell that Wal-Mart is selling a different model. Either way if you refuse to shop at Wal-Mart then only you are losing. Overall, I know I am getting a better price at Walmart just by their revenue statistics. Look at them compared to any other Brick and Mortar retailer and their profit to revenue ratio is going to be the lowest. This means less of my money is going into Wal-Mart shareholder pockets and towards the manufacturer.
The problem is that the same model # from the same manufacturer is not necessarily the same at Wal-Mart as at another retailer. A major magazine (I no longer remember which one) did an article where they compared items sold at Wal-Mart with the same model number from the same manufacturer from Sears and/or J.C. Penney's. The example I remember was a particular model of American Tourister luggage. The model had a "drag" handle and small wheels. On the one from Sears and J.C. Penney's those items were metal, on the one from Wal-Mart, they were plastic.
That being said, your second point is valid and important. If one shops carefully, one can get better value for one's money at Wal-Mart.