Two Chinese Schools Reportedly Tied To Online Attacks 172
squidw* writes "Online attacks on Google and other American corporations have been traced to computers at two educational institutions in China, including one with close ties to the Chinese military, say people involved in the investigation. From the NY Times: '... the attacks, aimed at stealing trade secrets and computer codes and capturing e-mail of Chinese human rights activists, may have begun as early as April, months earlier than previously believed. ... The Chinese schools involved are Shanghai Jiaotong University and the Lanxiang Vocational School, according to several people with knowledge of the investigation who asked for anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the inquiry. Jiaotong has one of China’s top computer science programs. Just a few weeks ago its students won an international computer programming competition organized by IBM — the “Battle of the Brains” — beating out Stanford and other top-flight universities. Lanxiang, in east China’s Shandong Province, is a huge vocational school that was established with military support and trains some computer scientists for the military.'"
They are anti-American... (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyone who has experienced being in a class with any large number of Chinese students (that actually came from and lived in China, just to be clear) will tell you that many of them are deeply programmed to be anti-American. I used to read "USA sucks China rules" on the desks in the library all the time at SUNY Buffalo. I don't blame the students but it's true nonetheless.
this attack finally convinced me (Score:5, Interesting)
It's not easy, but if you are vigilant you can find really good deals on stuff not made in China(which is pretty much all shit quality anyway). I've noticed that clothes made in Vietnam have much better quality than those made in China, ditto for electronics and Japan. I have a camera that is made in Japan and has lasted a long time despite being repeatedly abused. It was certainly worth the extra bit of money I paid over the Chinese made piece of shit I bought before. The last pair of shoes I bought that were made in China fell apart in a couple of months, the US made ones I am wearing now are much durable. The list goes on. Boycott China.
Jiaotong university topped the ACM (Score:3, Interesting)
"Four Chinese teams and four Russian teams dominated the top 10 rankings of the 2010 ACM International Collegiate Programming Contest (ACM ICPC). Shanghai Jiaotong University took first place followed by Moscow State University in second place, and National Taiwan University in third place. "
From http://www.acm.org/press-room/news-releases/2010/icpc-2010 [acm.org]
No wonder why they are so good.
Re:this attack finally convinced me (Score:3, Interesting)
Verbal diarrhea (Score:3, Interesting)
according to several people with knowledge of the investigation who asked for anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the inquiry
WTF is wrong with people that they can't shut up?? I see stuff like this all the time, and it boggles my mind that people on the inside are willing to discuss stuff that is likely to at least partially jeopardize the investigation under way. Surely it's not a profit-motive...I can't imagine journalists can pay very much for this kind of information...so what is it?
Re:Verbal diarrhea (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Act Of War (Score:3, Interesting)
Or, sweet Jesus, we can work on actually manufacturing our own crap again. Not that I think we ever would stoop that low. Yes, making our own crap would raise costs, but it also would create jobs which would mean more net money to buy crap. But then again someone would have to settle for mere millions (and the intangible of adding to the long term stability of the US) instead of billions and the joy of being able to play the fiddle while the US collapses into a third world nation.
Re:The racist 1940s (Score:2, Interesting)
We've had most of our dark days and loss of freedom from Wilson onward.
Every president has had a way of pissing off a percentage of the population, but from Wilson onward we lost more freedom than we gained.
Minorities and women not part of the statement, as this is just good sense and necessary to our evolution.
Over time and circumstances, its been Asians jailed, Negroes jailed, Communists jailed,Hippies jailed, Tax protesters jailed, Marijuana smokers jailed and others who just didn't fit the bill. Race is no barrier to being an enemy of the socialist state.
One could say Lincoln was the beginning of the shitstorm. The civil war wasn't mainly about slavery as suggested by safe state sponsored school books, it was about money and states rights. Of course Negroes fell under the money/property heading, but it is wrong to highlight this as the main cause merely to obscure the Fed scrambling for power. Lincoln wasn't particularly non racist, but that is another matter.
Both sides had massive P.O.W. camps for those disagreeable with policy on either side of the Mason/Dixon line.
If we stay constitutional about our wars, we will just defend our borders, keep our financial interests within, and quit policing the world.
We have a lot of ways we've developed over time to do away with in order to start over again. In the interest of my grandchildren to come, I'm all for trashing a lot of legislation, foreign policy and business practices and weather the storm in order to achieve repair. Anyone who is not is part of the problem and should seek other borders to live within where their desires can be met. I value freedom over safety or convenience, if that is flamebait to anyone, so be it. We all know the old saying, and what they deserve.
Personally, if my car has been modified to run faster but wear out sooner, I'd take off the mods and go with factory parts originally engineered to last. Even if it meant the car would be out of service for a while.
As for our national debt, just hand over those , still alive, who have legislated it so ,to work it off. Not part of our original plan and therefore not valid. Note that states rights don't apply to D.C. and other federal holdings, this means constitutional rights. Don't believe me? Just ask any tax protester dragged into court, denied bail and whisked around the country on federal properties while his lawyers tried to locate him.
It's a sick sad government and we are the worse off for it in spite of the lies taught in school. It's easy to blow me off as nuts instead of trying to see my points of view. But ask yourself this, isn't even a broken clock right, twice a day?
Re:this attack finally convinced me (Score:1, Interesting)
Its amazing how effective emotional manipulation and marketing is on end consumers Understand that a lot of the stuff that has "Made in X" where X is not Chine are really just assemblers that shipped a manufactured item from China. In the simplest case, they are just putting toy Y from China in colorful box Z from South Korea, and now its Made in Taiwan. I think there are rules against buying from another country putting it on a shipping pallet and saying its made here but that's as far as the rules go (this used to be a common practice to avoid tariffs, and trade embargoes). It all comes down to quality control, and the US just happens to be the worst at it with the deepest wallets.
Re:The racist 1940s (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm ethnic Chinese and was born in Vietnam, but the difference is that I grew up in Western countries, so I never had a chance to be brainwashed and indoctrinated by an oppressive dictatorship. With even teenagers from mainland China, it's already too late, they've been through the schools, they've only known one reality and one truth: China's. They'll come to your country, and they'll help steal military/industrial/trade secrets, they'll help harass and spy on dissidents, human rights activists, Tibetans, Uighurs etc. There are some courageous exceptions (dissidents), but for the most part, this is overwhelmingly true.
This is basically what has been happening ever since Mao. The communists have destroyed a beautiful country and turned it into something truly ugly.
So yes, I'm afraid what littlewink says is true. It's almost certain that China will go to war with the USA and Taiwan within the next 5-15 years. It's as inevitable as the next big stockmarket crash and double-dip recession, aka Great Depression.
My loyalties do not lie with any one country (many would call me a traitor for saying this). I just want to do the right thing -- I'll answer to the truth, not to some arbitrary nationalistic or patriotic agenda. I'm in Australia, which is a close ally to the USA. Once war with China breaks out, I have no doubt that I'll be taunted and spat on in the streets, just like the Nisei were.
Re:this attack finally convinced me (Score:3, Interesting)