Chicago Mayor Calls For "Brainiac High" 419
theodp writes "In a private lunch with Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley, BusinessWeek's Michael Arndt was taken aback by the mayor's candid monologues against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the failure of public schools — Chicago's included — to adequately train kids today in technology, math, and science. Among the education fixes Daley said he's contemplating are a fifth year of high school and elite math and science academies for Chicago's brainiest students. Endless wars that divert hundreds of billions a year from schools and job training are also undermining America's competitiveness, Daley added, wondering where the public outrage is."
Schools vs. Killing brown people (Score:3, Insightful)
Thank god at least one elected official has some sense of priorities...
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Of course the other problem with what he said is that the money spent on the military (including the wars it has fought) doesn't come from a leve
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Except that his message is to throw more money at schools as if that will fix the problem.
Actually, his message hints at an end to the "social promotion" and "everyone is equal" memes that has plagued the system. If he thinks he can do that with more money, then by all means please. We just had an article about Jaime Escalante who was a pioneer of that braniac concept, who was forced out by the union for promoting "inequality" (especially among teachers). He tried again at other public schools but was unable to hire the quality of teacher he needed for his program to work.... apparently "those who can" got paid big money for "doing".
Of course, Daley being Daley, I'm sure the money will quickly disappear into people's pockets never to be seen again.
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To really solve Chicago's education problem, you have to prioritize the schools that cater to the very worst stude
You're missing something here (Score:2, Interesting)
His point is that if we stop spending so much money on wars in far away lands and put that money into out school systems, our own people and nation will be much better off in the long run.
I have to concur with this view ..
All our national wealth is spent on military industrial complex while the nation is slipping away into 3rd world status. The majority of Americans are morons that still believe Saddam was behind 9/11. Education can fix this
We need to redirect our priorities sooner than later. The longer we
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Why is it that liberal's answer to every problem is to throw more money at it? Certainly if we cut all other spending to the bone we could fund individual tutors for every student, free laptops, massages, anything. The question is this: who's responsibility is it to ensure students work hard and strive to achieve excellence? THE PARENTS. Not the government. End of story.
No amount of government spending can make up for bad parenting. Entitlement spending is a deep, dark, bottomless hole.
It Just Disgusts Me (Score:3, Insightful)
Not only that, but fo
Don't serve the advantaged students (Score:5, Insightful)
This is patently unfair. Yes, there needs to be an education system that provides for the needs of students struggling with language, with disabilities and even schools that help the intellectually challenged achieve their potential. There's no question about this.
The proper way to do this is not to refuse to serve the students whose intellectual or artistic gifts become special needs for out-of-mainstream education. Neglecting our brightest students is not a good way to drive America to the fore in the new century. To turn an old saw: the world needs physicists, research chemists and brain surgeons too.
You gotta be kiddin' !! (Score:3, Insightful)
I went to the Illinois state-run brainiac school (IMSA) upon which Daley is dreaming -- let me tell you, this is not the model that will help Chicago's education program. These elite schools spend exorbitantly on a small crop of students, giving them (myself included) a fucking awesome education while students who didn't make the cut are stuck in the ineffectual morass of public high schools.
Look buddy. This world isn't a flat world and there's no equality in anything.
You got a leader and you got 1000 followers. Not everyone can be a leader.
So what if the school spent a lot to give a few true brains a fucking awesome education?
The aim is clear --- to make you guys leaders, so that when you grow up (if you grow up, that is) you can become a good leader and take care of your followers.
So what if your followers got crap for education now? They will have you as a good leader.
To really solve Chicago's education problem, you have to prioritize the schools that cater to the very worst students
Reading the sentence ab
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Daley's probably just making this statement to hide the public outrage over the Gerrymandering charges.
For those who haven't heard about this issue, renovations at O'Hare airport are necessitating the move of graves at a nearby cemetery. Apparently a couple of the tombstones might be crossing the dividing line between voting wards.
If you have people voting from their graves, you might have a bigger problem then where the district line is drawn?
or am i missing something?
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OS 10.6 requires 1 gigabyte; no exceptions. But WIN7 runs well on just 256 MB. Apple OS appears 4x as "bloated" as MSOS.
The 1GB requirement is so the OS will very well. It's just using the recommended requirement as the min requirement.
PS I agree with your post.
Re:Schools vs. Killing brown people (Score:5, Informative)
Like it or not, there's no such thing as a school that couldn't do a better job educating kids with more money. It does take money to teach kids. The more the better.
People point to public schools and say "See, they spend more money and don't get better results" than private schools.
What those people don't take into account is that private schools self-select their students based on social and economic measures, and start off with better students. Further, unlike the public schools, private schools are not required to take the most difficult cases: students with learning disabilities, physical disabilities, behavioral problems. Public schools MUST take those students, and that's where a huge amount of the funding in public schools goes.
Anybody who parrots the right-wing talking point that the problem is teachers unions has never taught in both public and private schools. I taught in both systems, back when I was working my way through grad-school in the 80s, and was on the school board for both my daughter's k-8 and high schools. She went to public schools here in Chicago and got a first-rate education (she's in grad school now). Chicago is supposedly "ground zero" for a school system that is dysfunctional because of the teachers' union, and I can tell you from direct experience that's not the problem.
The problems are many, but at the top are funding, shitty parenting, a growing socially and economically-impoverished underclass (thank you Ronald Reagan) and a society that is increasingly anti-education (thank you, Fox News).
Re:Schools vs. Killing brown people (Score:5, Insightful)
There are, however, such things as schools that will not do a better job educating kids if given more money.
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There are, however, such things as schools that will not do a better job educating kids if given more money.
It always amazes me that this isn't more obvious. Doubling the salaries of poor quality 30k teachers does not produce good quality 60k teachers, but the same poor teachers with inflated salaries. Unions contribute to this in that they seek to limit teacher turnover from year to year. So in a school that only averages 2-3% turnover year to year, doubling salaries will produce results, but only after a decade or so. In contrast, were the old school closed down and a new one opened with the new salary rate
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Money DOES NOT equal better schools (Score:3, Interesting)
"Like it or not, there's no such thing as a school that couldn't do a better job educating kids with more money. It does take money to teach kids. The more the better."
That's absolutely farcical, and further, is demonstrably untrue. And the argument about public vs. private here doesn't wash, because the rankings for school spending and test scores don't even take private schools into account. The rankings for dollar per kid are for public schools only.
Washington D.C. spends more per pupil than any other ma
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Except that his message is to throw more money at schools as if that will fix the problem.
Yeah. You'd think they'd have learned their lesson from the failure of capitalism. When will people learn, incentives don't work!
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The problem isn't that incentives don't work. It's understanding what you're encouraging. If the kids in this school fail, the teachers get more money. If the kids in this school succeed, the teachers don't get more money.
Hmm, looks to me like you're encouraging the teachers to produce kids who fail (thus producing more money for the teachers).
Alternatively, you can argue tha
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Except that his message is to throw more money at schools as if that will fix the problem.
I actually read the linked article and it would seem that the mayor's suggestion is in fact to throw more money but not at schools in general but at the most gifted students. Unlike the current populist approach to education, this simple idea recognizes the fact that most children have no talent, will not complete college education, and, despite what their parents may hope for, will never amount to anything in a any way remarkable. If there is a limited amount of money to be spent on education, one should s
Re:It will work at least as well (Score:4, Informative)
It's wrong to suggest that federal and state taxation have nothing to do with each other. Decreases in federal spending leave more money in the pool that states can tap.
If the federal government stopped taxing its citizens to pay for the military, state and local governments could either
1) keep taxes the same so that people get to keep more of their own money, or
2) raise taxes so that the tax burden would be the same as if the feds were spending trillions on the war, but instead spend that money on schools.
Re:Schools vs. Killing brown people (Score:5, Funny)
Perhaps if he had his way, you and your ilk would be able to troll in complete, comprehensible sentences.
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I'm against the war in Iraq. I think the war in Afghanistan was justified (but very stupidly prosecuted).
Racism is discrimination against people based on (perceived or real) racial characteristics. It's not using certain words. For the record, I harbor no ill will for members of any race and have many friends who could reasonably be called "brown".
Obviously no politician who cares less about non-Americans is going to publicly announce that by calling them "brown people". When I and other people against the
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Whether Bin Laden was behind the destruction of the twin towers isn't the most relevant thing. What's relevant is that Afghanistan is an Islamic theocracy, and Islamic theocracies tend to be bad for the world and for U.S. interests in particular.
Also, Afghan civilian support for the war has been as high as 70%, IIRC. They clearly didn't mind what we were doing; what they mind is the fact that we're still around and have killed more civilians doing the job than was necessary.
It's hard to know for sure, but t
Re:Your racism is really offensive (Score:4, Insightful)
If you think that Katrina was handled the way it was because the government doesn't care about black people, then I would have no problem with you satirically referring to it as "letting niggers drown". Words are just arbitrary sequences of sounds. They are only "bad" if they are used to express harmful or offensive thoughts.
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These folks are not Arabic, they actually have a strong Aryan (Persian/Iranian ethnic background) and Caucasian (The Caucasus mtns are just to the north) genetic background. The one exception to this are the Hazera who are descended
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Then let me be the first to say "fuck you." The fact it was in quotes conveyed to me that the writer thought that racism was involved in the war. From your complaint, you are supporting those that kill for race reasons, but whine when someone points it out. That's why you earn a hearty "fuck you."
In fact, I've never heard a US politician in favor of the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan use thos
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I am in favor of the war in Afghanistan. (has nothing to do with the skin color of the people involved.)
Re:Schools vs. Killing brown people (Score:4, Insightful)
indoctrinated, trained, and equipped in Afghanistan
By whom?
5th year? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:5th year? (Score:4, Insightful)
Nah... they should go to school for and extra year to get the smart ground out of them.
Re:5th year? (Score:5, Insightful)
I taught HS science for 5 years. The only class I really liked teaching was Physics, because it lacked a hardcore, "test them to see if they learned the items on the list" metric. I could spend 2/3 of the time teaching, and 1/3 of the time letting my students "run wild", applying what they had learned, and generally just screwing around and LEARNING stuff. No, not the stuff on the checklist.
If this was a year before college where students could just play, use what they had learned, create things, and explore the world, then it would be FANTASTIC! We'd be producing some really amazing scientists and engineers. If it's just another year of HS, I agree with you. We'd just be grinding the smart and ambition out of them.
Re:5th year? (Score:4, Insightful)
Bingo! Someone else who gets it. The message we're sending right now is "if you're smart we're going to make you work harder" when it should be closer to "Hey, look at how cool this is! Try it out! I can tell you more about it if you're interested..."
Seriously, lots of intelligent people have this amazing propensity to learn about stuff on their own and many have fun doing it. As educators we should be assisting them in this mission rather than trying to brutally suppress their interests in favor of some canned curriculum.
Re:5th year? (Score:5, Insightful)
That's the real issue.
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Re:5th year? (Score:4, Insightful)
Where's the money in that for Daley?
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CPS (Score:4, Insightful)
The Chicago Public Schools are laying off teachers and closing schools due to budget constraints. Howver, despite da mayor's feelings on the issue, I am not sure that dumping more cash into the the arguably bloated CPS bureaucracy would result in students receiving a better education. At some point, parental responsibility ensuring that students actually attend the schools and complete the days assignments might have a greater impact.
Re:CPS (Score:4, Insightful)
How is this "Insightful"? The USA are really doomed if its educated population actually believes this shit.
And how exactly, do you want to increase "parental responsibility"?
You want to set up a mandatory adult "schooling" education program? With what funds and who do you put in charge of creating this program, which would, admitedly, be a world premiere?
Or perhaps, you have the idea of sanctioning the parents when their children don't do their homework or don't attend school? This has been tried: it merely results in even more children dropping out of schools and even poorer education. Notwithstanding the creation of ghettoized populations cut back from any chances of ever raising out of poverty and poor education.
Even though it's costly, pouring more money at schools, providing teachers with the means to do their job well is the only method that has a track record of actually raising the education levels.
Yes, maybe the CPS' bureaucracy is choking the attempts of the few remaining dedicated teachers to do their job properly. In any case, I doubt it is much worse than the US Army bureaucracy, which is completely sold to the military industry.
Throwing more money in the school system provides the ability to hire more talents (at the management and operational levels), motivate the education personnel and, ultimately, raise the education levels globally. As for the details, let the teachers and their administration, who are in daily contact with the population they have to deal with, decide how it's better done.
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It's all well and good to admonish the parents for not participating, and certainly efforts to improve parental participation should be part of any failing school system's rehabilitation plan, but you can't hire new parents.
You can hire new teachers or administrators and since they work for you, you can control how they are required to do things. You've got the parents you've got, now what are you going to do about it?
Public outrage? (Score:2)
What happened the last 40 years or so? Then there were riots in the streets and major protests against the then ongoing war. Is a SUV on the driveway and a reality show on tv all that is needed to pacify everyone?
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Yes it is.
Re:Public outrage? (Score:5, Insightful)
There is no draft.
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I wouldn't be nosing around for public outrage Mr. Daley. People have been ignoring your illegal misuses of power in Chicago for far too long.
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Same thing here in Spain ... we had massive anti-war protests here and for weeks on end everybody would go out on the street at 8pm and bang frying pans with spoons to make a huge noise all over the city.
Did anybody listen? Nope. It took a change of government to get us out of Iraq.
(But hey, at least the 'democracy' part worked in the long term...)
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It took a change of government to get us out of Iraq.
I recall hearing several times that the change of government wouldn't have taken place without the 2004 train bombings in Madrid. Do you think there's any truth to that? (I figure the opinion of somebody that actually lives there is worth more than all the news reports and commentary I heard here in the U.S.)
Why add a 5th year? (Score:2, Insightful)
It would just be wasted as a "babysitting service" like the first 4 years of high school typically are. The amount of time my teachers spend goofing-off in class, not teaching anything, was ridiculous. When I got to college the professors taught the same material in about one-quarter the time. - Take the existing 4 years and concentrate them. Instead of Algebra 1 and 2, make it a combined course. Then take the resulting extra year and teach some "tech oriented" like Programming.
Final thought - I wonde
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I was in the 5 year program, and I think the problem is that when you got to University, you're in first year with a bunch of other students who may not be from Ontario, so they may not have taken the 5th year of high school. The idea of the 5 year program was to help subsidize post-secondary education by teaching introductory level university courses to university-bound students without them having to pay tuition or live away from home, etc. I agree that it originally worked that way in principle, but on
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I agreed with removing the 5th year. Not because it was a bad idea in principle, but because it was flawed in practice.
It would seem to me the flaw could be removed by following a "Running Start" model, where that fifth year of high school would earn the students equivalent college credits. You'd start college with a somewhat advanced placement - those "out of province" students could still take the first year courses, but you wouldn't need to.
Might even save you (or your parents) some money on tuition, in the long run.
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"insightful..."
you wouldn't have learned it that fast in college, had you not already learned it in high school. Education is a cumulative process.
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More money? (Score:2)
" ... Endless wars that divert hundreds of billions a year from schools and job training are also undermining America's competitiveness, Daley added, wondering where the public outrage is."
And exactly how would the good mayor spend the hundreds of billions a year to improve schools? Specifically. No platitudes. Nothing like, "more computers" or "magnet schools" or "more arts programs." To use a sports metaphor, what's needed is "more blocking and tackling." Or, back to education, the three Rs -- Reading, wR
Re:More money? (Score:5, Insightful)
To be perfectly honest, we would be better off digging a big hole, tossing the money in and then covering it over than spending it on war. Unlike the never ending wars including the war on [demon of the day], throwing the money down a big hole will create jobs and can be stopped at any time when we think of something more worthwhile to spend it on. It would have the side benefit of not making the rest of the world hate us as much as war and not alienating as many of our own citizens as the war on drugs does.
Given that, throwing the money at schools and seeing what sticks can hardly do worse.
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Good questions.
And where would answers possibly be found. Oh, gods, if only there were an article linked from that summary!
Or... and I know this is crazy talk here... but, what if the summary itself mentioned something other than billions of dollars!
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Success is dependent on hard decisions and hard work, not billions of dollars.
No it isn't. It is dependent on accomplishing goals, and doing better than your competitors.
If you think not failing stupidly easy multiple choice tests, or not getting fired because your students are not failing stupidly easy multiple choice tests is success, well, yeah, you're part of the problem.
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Test the teachers and fire the failures. Success is dependent on hard decisions and hard work, not billions of dollars.
People that are really good teachers and administrators are going to want to get pay that's commensurate with their level of education and dedication to their job. Usually they are smart enough to go work anywhere they want and get paid much more than most teaching jobs offer.
So you're not going to get "more blocking and tackling" unless you pay for some really good players. I expect the amount you'd have to pay is more than most Americans will think is reasonable.
Too Dumb To Protest (Score:2, Interesting)
Infested with the lies of corporatism and capitalism our general public is far too dumb to make intelligent demands for education. It
has reached the sad point where one supposed leader has remarked that education should be run like a business. That translates rather
easily into giving students as little as possible while taking as much from the public as they can get.
Limit summer holidays to three weeks in total. Stop honoring lesser holidays.
Re: Too Dumb To Protest (Score:4, Insightful)
Lots of good points, but some seem unnecessarily and impractically harsh.
Stop honoring lesser holidays.
Which ones are the important holidays, and how can you justify those in an impartial manner?
...be quick to permanently expel students who either show little interest in academic life or have behavior problems.
Sounds like one-strike-you're-out to me. Suspensions and counseling should make things clear the first or second time, and you can consider expulsions afterward. Having little interest in academic life is relatively normal, otherwise everybody would be scholars. Not bothering to make a minimal effort suggests a problem.
In essence every student should know that endless help is at hand for excellence but endless rejection and failure are also very real and immediate consequences. Make courses just hard enough so that some good students can not pass them.
This is utterly impractical and it sounds a little vindictive. Set the bar so that some good students are eternally unable to pass any of their courses? Intellectual improvement is the point of going to school, and there should be help for students who have the determination to pass a course.
Be certain that Texas has no influence over text books.
Care to be a little more specific? I'm sure there are many intelligent professors in Texas that publish adequate material for the subject(s) at hand.
Though I agree with most of the other stuff. Education should be a higher priority in the United States than our military prowess.
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Holy crap you're a moron. Get rid of teacher work days? Seriously? If anything, we need MORE teacher work days, because an effective teacher needs time to prepare. Currently all the good teachers do all of that stuff at home in their free time, which means they don't really have any free time left over, which means they burn out and stop being good teachers.
No, it's backlash against the 60s and... (Score:2, Insightful)
The reason the country doesn’t have enough money for better schools or job retaining, he went on, is that it is spending hundreds of billions a year on war. This isn’t what the U.S. should stand for, he added. He also wondered where the public outrage is. Back when his father was Chicago’s mayor, he recalled, thousands of people would routinely take to the streets to protest the Vietnam War. Nowadays, he said, there are no demonstrations—people shrug off war and say if enlistees want to go off and risk their lives, well, that’s their choice.
First, a lot of it, I think, is some sort of backlash against the 60s and calling kids that had no choice to go to war "baby killers" and horseshit like that. Many of our boys coming back from Viet Nam were treated like shit for no good reason.
Secondly, it's the new patriotic sentiment. We got caught with our pants down on 9/11 and folks are pretty steamed about it still - especially the older folks who grew up with a secure and invincible America. There are also the folks who just like the fact that the US
If they're smart kids... (Score:5, Insightful)
...then they don't need another year of high school. Off to college with them.
Simply dumping more money into education does not make it better.
Buying all this "technology" stuff is a waste of money if it's not implemented right. You don't need a computer to learn basic subjects.
Paying bad teachers more doesn't make them teach better. There are good teachers out there who deserve more for what they put into their jobs, and plenty more people who would make great teachers but won't take that big a pay cut from their current jobs in science, engineering, etc.
Similarly, elementary schools don't need two "counselors" each making $70k+. High schools don't need "career counselors" making $90k. And the school board doesn't need six figures (hell, no elected official does). Stop wasting money on administration and get some better teachers.
Hire some former drill instructors to fix discipline problems. Yes, your little deviant brat who "would never do anything bad" might get his feelings hurt a little bit, but maybe he'll finally get his shit straight and go on to be a decent member of society.
Spend some money and get some real scientists and engineers to teach. Teach hard science and math to the kids. Let's try to stop the reverence for idiocy while we can.
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Paying bad teachers more doesn't make them teach better. There are good teachers out there who deserve more for what they put into their jobs, and plenty more people who would make great teachers but won't take that big a pay cut from their current jobs in science, engineering, etc.
Similarly, elementary schools don't need two "counselors" each making $70k+. High schools don't need "career counselors" making $90k. And the school board doesn't need six figures (hell, no elected official does). Stop wasting money on administration and get some better teachers.
I'll be up front and admit that I have no idea how much teachers and administrators should be paid. However, I know that if someone wrote the same thing about IT people, we'd be pointing out that if you don't offer a decent salary, you're guaranteed to get crap people.
Hire some former drill instructors to fix discipline problems. Yes, your little deviant brat who "would never do anything bad" might get his feelings hurt a little bit, but maybe he'll finally get his shit straight and go on to be a decent member of society.
Understanding how the recruiting process works might dispel the notion that some guy screaming at people can turn "deviants" into good citizens.
First off, the Army gets to be pretty picky about who it lets in. They can screen out a lot of phys
Re:If they're smart kids... (Score:4, Insightful)
That's because IT doesn't have unions assuring that performance and pay are orthogonal. Also I think GP is implying that the "counselor" positions he mentioned are entirely superfluous, not merely overpaid.
As long as the system works the way it does, throwing money at the schools won't work. As soon as more money might be available, the unions will smell it and go on strike until they get it. And everyone else with a pet project within the system will grab for a cut too. Net result: more money being spent for the same people resulting in the same results. And maybe a new library (but don't count on actual books) with some politically powerful person's name on it.
Outstanding chutzpa! (Score:5, Informative)
Not THE Richard M. Daley, from the outstanding bunch of politicos who have shaped Chicago's history for the last 50 years?
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daley_family [wikipedia.org]
Reap what you sow, then bitch about it...what amazing hypocrisy.
No Oprah moment (Score:3, Insightful)
The problem is that there isn't a problem. There are a whole lot of them, all interconnected and unrelated all at the same time. And that means there isn't a solution. Not a simple one anyway.
The problems are:
We already have this for brainiac kids... (Score:3, Insightful)
It's called college.
money from wars? (Score:4, Insightful)
Endless wars that divert hundreds of billions a year from schools and job training are also undermining America's competitiveness, Daley added
Right. I'll tell you, I've heard so many times people say, "we could easily pay for X if we weren't spending money on wars" that if all those things people have in mind got funded, the money would be spent twice over. I don't know where the money would go if we stopped fighting wars, probably to cover medical/social security expenses, but Mayor Daley is very low on the priority list for recipients of the money.
wondering where the public outrage is
Where it is? It's everywhere. Outrage is the American national pasttime. Aren't there tea parties in Chicago? I mean, doesn't he watch TV? Every news program you watch has some segment trying to make people outraged. What we need is less outrage, not more, and more rational thought. I will happy when Americans realize outrage really doesn't help (or maybe they already are, maybe mayor Daley is noticing that). Of course politicians like outrage, it makes people easier to manipulate.
There's Only One Problem I See (Score:2)
5th F#@!% year? (Score:3, Insightful)
What does anyone expect? (Score:2)
Chicago is a 3rd world city with a 3rd world government and a 3rd world education system.
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Is that you Mayor Daley?
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University of Michigan - private (Score:2)
Daley looks across the lake and sees what's happening to Michigan and Ohio. Like his
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he starts thinking like a Democrat
The Democrats have run Chicago since Anton Chermak beat Chicago's last Republican mayor, Big Bill Thompson on April 7, 1931.
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When in a boat that is taking on water, you try to do 2 things. 1) Patch the leak and 2) Bail out the water.
The Chicago school district is in much the same boat (pun intended). More money in the right spots would help, but also a lot of that money is thrown at "bad" teachers. To keep things going they are trying to "pump" more money. But they are not fixing the base problem. They have lots of bad teachers.
It does not matter if it is the
British television could help with this. (Score:3, Interesting)
On British TV, there have been some Brainiac shows about science [wikipedia.org] and history [wikipedia.org] that I dare say are more engaging than any typical American curriculum.
Chicago Political Machine (Score:4, Informative)
I think the big thing to take away from this is that Mayor Daily IS the Chicago Political Machine. To do business as a politician you have to be in his good graces and of the same mind.
Obama is cut from the same cloth. Much of his staff grew up as part of Chicago Politics. As a rule, what is popular in Chicago does NOT play well in the rest of the country. So Obama can't say these things himself. But watch how he governs. His mindset and agenda are the same.
If you agree with that agenda then you should be very happy with his presidency. If you don't agree with his agenda, at the very least you should not be surprised by it.
Two ideas that don't address the problems (Score:4, Insightful)
The mayor 'floated' two possible 'fixes' for what ails chicago's ailing school system (wasn't our 44th president a community activist trying to improve public education in Chicago? What happened? Why is it not better?) - a fifth year of high school and a brainiac academy. Neither addresses the problems and would likely impact the average Chicago Public School student.
A fifth year of high school would have little impact, as these children managed to avoid getting a proper education in the first 13 years of public school, plus some amount of 'Head Start' programs, how in the world can anyone think adding a 14th year make a difference? It would increase the number of teachers by 1/14th and would require 25% more high school classrooms. Why not simply enforce a 'no social promotion policy' and start to cull the ranks of the teachers weeding out those that aren't effective?
A brainiac academy ony supports/aids those already succeding, draining the teaching pool of all the good teachers, and leaving those most in need of help to fend for themselves without even the benefit of a smart kid to help them with their homework/copy off of during tests.
In these tough economic times, several states are looking at eliminating the requirement for a 12th grade/senior year of public school, since kids are able to complete their required studies in before their senior year. Iowa is considering granting a bit of money as a scholarship (of sorts) of $2,500 toward their freshman year of college.
Mayor, get your teachers to do their job in the first 13 years (K-12), don't punish the kids for one more year, and pulling the brainiacs out of the general student population only helps those that have overcome the challenges your schools pose to their students, it does nothing for those left behind.
What we need is... (Score:3, Insightful)
Instead of throwing money for a 5th year for brainiacs, fix the entire system. It makes no sense to have HS graduates who can't do fractions. Many kids in other parts of the world (even in developing countries) end their HS with a solid foundation in algebra, trig/geometry, vectors, biology, chemistry, classical physics and world history.
If we are to throw money, do it for the purpose of changing our way of thinking.
Free Public Colleges (Score:3, Insightful)
Public school should be free at least through college. At the very least loans should have their interest rates set, or be refundable, depending on one's graduating scores.
If we spent $10,000 a year on only the (1.5 million [investmentnews.com]) top half of graduating students for each of four college years, that $60B would buy more than the $120B+ a year [google.com] we spend in Iraq and Afghanistan (plus the "business as usual" $TRILLION+ annual expenses for the Pentagon and intelligence budgets). That's free education and expenses for every American above the median performance. If we gave $1000 to everyone who graduated high school on time, and $500 to everyone graduating only a year late, cash and no strings attached, the extra $1.5B would pay for itself in the drop in people who instead "graduate to jail" at $40,000 a year (plus the cost of whatever damages put them there, and the loss of their taxable productivity).
And more Americans who can think and research for themselves would reduce how often we go into these expensive wars.
Education investment is the best investment. We've got plenty of places from which we can redirect the wasteful expenses instead into education, where the public is really building something that protects and benefits the public.
A couple of points (Score:2, Insightful)
Reposted (I have no idea why my original was posted as AC while I was logged in?!)
I've seen enough "if they're smart, off to college!" type responses here and elsewhere to know that it's a fairly popular proposition. However, as someone who did just that - I left high school as an under-18 kid to enroll in a very demanding engineering faculty in a prestigious university - I can attest that the transition can be extremely difficult. I simply didn't have as mature a mindset I needed as well as the social skil
Hope and Change - the early years (Score:3)
For those of you not paying attention a couple years ago, our current President spent (invested) two decades of his life building the Chicago Public School system up (as a community organizer and local politician) to what it is now - from the NY Times:
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/10/us/politics/10educate.html [nytimes.com]
Remeber, improvement is easy, if you're already at rock-bottom...
Lewis Black, on President Clinton's educational achievements: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7axLyrK12ms [youtube.com]
What's old is new again (Score:2)
Ontario used to have a system somewhat like this. There were five-year arts and sciences programs for students intending to go on to university and four year programs directed at kids who were going to enter the work force or community colleges.
Under a Conservative premier, all high schools programs were reduced to four years. The results haven't been good.
Re:Missed the mark (Score:5, Insightful)
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Oh, so kids are only discouraged from being brainy for the first 14 years of their education then? Got it, no problem.
Re:Missed the mark (Score:5, Insightful)
You can't be serious.
Once upon a time, there was not any job that really required science, math and technology skills? Go back to 1850.
So I suppose we should not have taught them. Do you think the job comes before the skills or the skills come before the job?
Frankly. There are more than enough jobs that require math, science, and technology skills. It's 2010. We are no longer in the industrial age, we are in the tech age. Even if people don't work in the tech fields, they will be able to apply their skills using technology. We are at the point where physicists, chemists, biologists are needing to know how to program to dig in into their work. Do you think it doesn't apply to other's in different fields? Please!
Jobs will be created when we know we have people with the needed skills.
It's when there aren't enough people with the skills that you need that we hesitate to create jobs because training is expensive!
Re:Missed the mark (Score:4, Insightful)
I take it you have no clue at all about the science job market.
You work your ass off in college, then grad school, and are often required to do a post-doc these days. For what? You have a snowballs chance in hell getting tenure these days, and there is little stability in industry (especially biotech/pharma which I'm familiar with). And even if you have the PhD that is required for the job, if you don't have the right specialization, you can forget about getting the job. Add in the fact that companies are off-shoring or brining in H1B workers, why in anyone in their right mind do a science PhD?
There's a reason why if you go to the grad department of any university, it's filled with people from China and India with few if any Americans. There are no decent paying jobs for all the training and schooling required.
I know plenty of science PhD's. A lot of them still have the interest and love for science, but regret going down that path. It's hard work, little pay (compared for the training), heavily dependent on funding, and little prestige (compared to a doctor/lawyer/ibanker).
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I know plenty of science PhD's. A lot of them still have the interest and love for science, but regret going down that path. It's hard work, little pay (compared for the training), heavily dependent on funding, and little prestige (compared to a doctor/lawyer/ibanker).
Come on. I work in an engineering department at a state university. Starting faculty salaries are between eight and nine thousand dollars a month. Our full professors are making twenty thousand dollars a month. That's "little pay"? This is all public information and easily verified.
You also mentioned tenure. I didn't used to have a strong opinion about it, but now... it really is welfare for the well off. We have a couple dozen tenured faculty, and very few of them are doing any significant amount of resear
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Amen brother. And nothing is more sucky than being an out of work brain. (Reading /. all day.)
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Add in the fact that companies are off-shoring or brining in H1B workers, why in anyone in their right mind do a science PhD?
Well, that's certainly quite a pickle you've described there!
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...why in anyone in their right mind do a science PhD?
I'm doing one now because I want to know if I can. I don't expect anybody to pay me more just because I have an extra piece of paper (although lots of pointy-haired people think pieces of paper automatically equal more value, and I won't argue with them if they want to offer a bigger salary up front). I certainly wouldn't expect to land an academic position, but that's because I know I'm not smart enough or dedicated enough, and I'm already too old (plus I hate teaching anyway, so I don't care).
There's a reason why if you go to the grad department of any university, it's filled with people from China and India with few if any Americans. There are no decent paying jobs for all the training and schooling required.
Not ever
Re:Missed the mark (Score:5, Insightful)
That said, I realize not all students can pull off an A in calculus, so there has to be some balance so as to avoid sidelining the "dumb" students instead.
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Finding the right way to emphasize academic success could eliminate the geek-hating problem, and that could produce a positive feedback loop as people look up to straight-A students and try to become as successful as them.
How about cutting the funding for things like sports in half and diverting those funds to debate, rhetoric, history, math, and chess clubs that can compete against other schools? Don't let the jocks be the only ones representing their school's honor and maybe the nerds will get some respect.
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