Ubuntu Linux 10.04 Review (Lucid Lynx) 567
JimLynch writes "The open source world has been eagerly anticipating the final release of Ubuntu Linux 10.04, and now it's finally here. Canonical has been working extremely hard and it shows in the quality of this release."
Re:Except... (Score:5, Insightful)
And this is why I'm waiting a few weeks, until they get the initial bugs out.
No, it's not (Score:3, Insightful)
Actually, not currently as the home page issues a warning about a "in development" version for lucid ...
btw, the review seems to provide little more than the press release : what about bugs ? speed ? HW compatibility and performance besides boot times - it's an OS ! - , system configuration apps, boot splash with nvidia proprietary drivers ..., what about other sister as mint, Kubuntu, or Lubuntu)
Re:Except... (Score:4, Insightful)
Caused by heavily packporting features from xserver 1.8 back to 1.7 and KMS from Linux 2.6.34 back to 2.6.32.
Seriously... what where they thinking? Getting such a huge memmory leak was just being ASKED FOR!
Perhaps... (Score:5, Insightful)
Perhaps this will be the Ubuntu install were I have no problems like everyone else claims. Every freaking version I try installing I always seem to run into issues, and not of them are easy fixes. Oh you want native resolution fine but you will need to give up GNOME, Unless you want to install it via TAR Balls. Oh you want sound sure... But this only worked in some apps. Oh what is the fix for that. Go into you etc file and add some cryptic commands that are not in any man page.
But if say there are problems with Ubuntu and there are things that OS X or Windows handles a lot better. Be prepared for a fight and everyone calling you an idiot.
Is there a How-To on moving the window icons back (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Except... (Score:1, Insightful)
Perhaps it's out of scope for MS, and not for ubuntu?
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Re:Except... (Score:5, Insightful)
I have a pet regression in lucid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/545443 [launchpad.net]
"Lucid on Asus EEE PC 901 and 1000H fails to connect to any wireless network". Those (pretty common, I think) netbooks have the RaLink RT2860 wireless chipset.
Re:Except... (Score:3, Insightful)
yeah, I sulk on this one too. Hit me in 9.04, worked 9.10, bad on 10.04 again. I think it's something to do with April
Re:Perhaps... (Score:5, Insightful)
To be fair, being called an idiot instead of a reasonable reply is pretty much inherent to the entire IT community. We're an entire culture of people that have long since forgotten that our job is ultimately to provide a customer service. There is a prevaling attitude of 'works for me, you must suck' or 'program it yourself' instead of taking the moderate and service-oriented approach of actually listening, interpreting, and working collaboratively towards a solution in a manner that everyone can follow.
It's little wonder we are held in disdain by most.
Re:Obvious comment: (Score:3, Insightful)
For some people it was the year of the linux desktop back in '98 :).
Either way, desktop relevance is waning ('course the first time I heard THAT was back around 1998 too), and Linux came out of the gate swinging in that area. Linux very well may become the dominant OS via a method none of us ever expected.
Re:Ubuntu Platform (Score:3, Insightful)
Ubuntu has become a platform to generate revenue for canonical:
Ubuntu Music Shop Ubuntu Software Store Search Deal with Yahoo/Google
Become? They have always had a business model. If making money is a crime, quite your job. And the search deal with Yahoo fell through.
Re:quality? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Except... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Perhaps... (Score:3, Insightful)
So why do you continue with Ubuntu? Not to knock Ubuntu, but have you ever tried some of the others? Fedora comes to mind, as well as Suse.
There are over 2000 different Linux distributions, so obviously someone will fault me for not mentioning their favorite. But my point still stands, if you have troubles all the time, try another.
pulse, flash, java (Score:5, Insightful)
Have they fixed the pulse audio clusterfuck yet? How about flash and java working properly out of the box? (being able to watch youtube and hulu without ridiculous installs and configurations should be a serious focus for serving the general user)
Re:Except... (Score:4, Insightful)
i learned that too about ubuntu releases. I am pretty much the same in terms of "WANT IT NOW" when it comes to new releases, but ubuntu fucks something major up every release for at the very least one of my systems, this got so bad that now i just install the most up to date version when i install a machine, and never upgrade to a new version, the downside obviously is having all my systems run a different version (9.10 on my main, 9.04 on the laptop, 8.10 on the server etc...)
Re:I heard the same about 8.10 and 9.04 and 9.10 (Score:3, Insightful)
Shouldn't you be in the Apple thread? Seriously, the dude is expressing his opinion. After putting time/effort into $THING it no longer is the thing for him and he listed reasons why.
For some reason expressing an opinion results in ad hominem attacks anywhere I go anymore. "Oh well, that's user fixable, so you're retarded. Thus your are wrong."
Why you are modded insightful and not flamebait is beyond me.
Re:Except... (Score:1, Insightful)
since the repos are being banged harder than a barn door in a heavy wind.
Wow, you actually managed to keep things classy...
Re:Perhaps... (Score:3, Insightful)
To be fair, being called an idiot instead of a reasonable reply is pretty much inherent to the entire IT community. We're an entire culture of people that have long since forgotten that our job is ultimately to provide a customer service.
I think the problem is that most of the people calling you an idiot, are not AT WORK. They're more like an after hours meeting of professionals, and many of the people asking are like going up to a bunch of doctors discussing medical procedures (their version of tools) and asking them to take a look at the rash on their leg. Yes, they probably could examine him but they don't want to, don't care and just want you to go away. And if you keep bugging them they'll tell you that you're an idiot. Come back for a paid appointment if you want customer service.
Many open source projects exist only to share source with other developers, they don't care about delivering a "product" or "service". Even if your problems are real, nobody is obliged to care that it doesn't work for you. Sure having users means it's a good project but they'd never run an ad campaign to get more even if they had the money. Particularly not if it's the kind of users that ask them to be the Support Desk, User Training, Free Customization or CS101. The exception are the projects and distros that actually care about customers because they're part of a cash flow, but most are all volunteers.
Particularly the cost of software completely eludes people, they're used to buying COTS software for a few dollars because it is sold in thousands if not millions of copies. Even a small enhancement will including specification, design, implementation and testing easily cost hundreds of dollars even if you charge minimum wage. Certainly way past the point most people do favors just because you asked so nicely. Same with real incident support, getting anyone with more than a support script to look at your case requires a really costly support plan.
In fact, many times I almost feel open source works almost opposite of a normal support desk. We may assist you in solving your own problem, but it's not our problem. If you think gathering all those logs, creating steps to reproduce, reading that debug output, applying those patches, rebuilding the kernel or whatever is too much work it's your problem not ours. If you can pin it down but nobody will write a patch it's your problem not ours. If you can't find the bug it's still your problem not ours. Most the anger outbreaks I see are from people desperately trying to say "It's not my problem, and no matter how much you nag it's not my problem."
Re:pulse, flash, java (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Upgrade to debian (Score:4, Insightful)
If you did all of this and loaded Debian last week, you certainly weren't even using an RC copy. It's your own fault for installing a beta OS on your server..
Re:I heard the same about 8.10 and 9.04 and 9.10 (Score:1, Insightful)
Long time Gentoo user here (6 years total).
Reading your post, I sort of feel nostalgic about all that. I remember spending some time on my machine in the morning, coffee in hand, just before going to work. My machine had sync during the night and now it was time to emerge -uavp world (if I remember correctly) and see what needed upgrading. Like you said, every once in a while there was some package blocking another one, had to go to the forums to find a solution. Some days I couldn't get it to work on time so I log on from work using ssh to fix broken stuff/merge config files. I did this every morning because there was no way of knowing if package X needed upgrading because of a simple version bump or because of a serious security issue. It was also hard to resolve problem if you refused to upgrade for long period of time: searching the forums was always frustrating.
Eventually I gave up and moved to Ubuntu. It's sad really, it was a nice distro. I learn *alot* about linux using it (almost everything, basically). But at the end I was more than tired of fighting all the time to have a working computer. I'm still having nightmares about the X11->Xorg transition, the splitting up of kde into a myriad of little packages and the endless revdep-rebuild for libexpat. Ha, memories...
Re:Except... (Score:5, Insightful)
"real linux"? Like Ubuntu is made from cheap copy components from some nameless factory in China?
Why would I get more respect editing fstab in Debian, running a driver install script from the terminal in fedora, or compiling source code in mandrake?
What qualifies me for "real linux" user? Do I need to pick up Slackware or gentoo and compile my own kernal for a 1% improvement in speed?
Why do fanboys feel the need to splinter themselves internally, even to the point of absurdity?
*note, this is not directed specifically at you Dotancohen
Re:Perhaps... (Score:1, Insightful)
If you can pin it down but nobody will write a patch it's your problem not ours. If you can't find the bug it's still your problem not ours. Most the anger outbreaks I see are from people desperately trying to say "It's not my problem, and no matter how much you nag it's not my problem."
And when you complain that Linux has low adoption around the world (in desktops) that is your problem.
Re:No GIMP?! Seriously? (Score:4, Insightful)
Perhaps because the vast majority of their users don't use it, because it's a comparatively large package so including it excludes other more desired features, and because apt-get install gimp isn't too great a hurdle for anyone who does need it.
Why is this flamebait? (Score:3, Insightful)
No one should be running Mono. It's a well-proven, extensively documented part of Microsoft's PR, FUD, and patent attack on Linux.
The real problem is that it was included to begin with. It needs to be removed at the source.