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Murdoch's UK Paywall a Miserable Failure 428

David Gerard writes "As part of his war against free, Rupert Murdoch put the Times and Sunday Times of London behind a paywall. Michael Wolff of Newser asks how that's working out for him. You can guess: miserable failure: 'Not only is nobody subscribing to the website, but subscribers to the paper itself — who have free access to the site — are not going beyond the registration page. It's an empty world.' Not that this wasn't entirely predictable." Update: 07/17 01:41 GMT by T : Frequent contributor Peter Wayner writes skeptically that the Newsday numbers should be looked at with a grain of salt: "I believe they were charging $30/month for the electronic edition and $25/month for the dead tree edition which also offered free access to the electronic edition. In essence, you had to pay an extra $5 to avoid getting your lawn littered with paper. The dead tree edition gets much better ad rates and so it is worth pushing. It's a mistake to see the raw numbers and assume that the paywall failed."
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Murdoch's UK Paywall a Miserable Failure

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  • by RobotRunAmok ( 595286 ) on Friday July 16, 2010 @08:23AM (#32924802)

    Oh, maaaan, Slashdot, this is so, so, wrong. Lookit:

    Michael Wolff was paid a huge sum to write a bio of Murdoch a few years back, "The Man Who Owns the News." It ended up becoming the "Heaven's Gate" of publishing: Wolff was paid a million dollars in advance, and it sold horribly. As a result, Wolff became a pariah amongst publishers, and he has had a jones against Murdoch ever since. He started "Newser" -- an online news aggregation site, sort of a Drudge Report, but with pictures and short summaries written by semi-literate snarky hipster interns -- specifically as a response to the "old-fashioned" way that Murdoch did business. Wolff writes a column there daily; like, every third or fourth one is some screed, equal parts vitriolic and smug, predicting failure for everything Murdoch is involved with. If Murdoch issued a statement saying that "Gravity is a Good Thing," Wolff would find some way to either argue against it or poke fun at it.

    Of course, it doesn't make matters any better that Wolff had an affair with one of those aforementioned interns a few years back that was made public -- and kept public, arguably far longer than an extra-marital affair involving a "C"-level journalist should have been -- by the Murdoch-owned NY Post. Wolff's wife (a divorce lawyer!! (he's obviously not the sharpest pen in the inkwell)) left him and took him to the cleaners.

    Nobody who knows anything about Murdoch or NYC journalism takes anything Wolff has to say seriously when he's in "Murdoch mode." Kind of like asking the Sheriff of Nottingham to give a measured opinion about that guy "Robin Hood."

  • by icebraining ( 1313345 ) on Friday July 16, 2010 @08:28AM (#32924836) Homepage

    Seems perfect for Flattr [flattr.com].

  • Re:Duh... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Vintermann ( 400722 ) on Friday July 16, 2010 @08:51AM (#32924992) Homepage

    They get technology reasonably well. They occasionally call out the occasional walking piece of corruption that other are resigned to (read: Silvio Berlusconi). But editorial-wise, they are very far right. They supported the iraq war, they believed in WMD, and they denied global warming for a very long time (until 2007?).

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16, 2010 @08:53AM (#32925002)

    Murdoch's in it for the very long term. He did the same thing with TV, lost stupid amounts of money over a decade, but eventually his proprietary broadcasting networks became the status quo. He's got a virtual monopoly on TV sports coverage in many countries, so there's very little option other than to pay over the odds for his TV coverage.

    The troubling thing is he indirectly owns one of the bigger ISPs in the UK, and I suggest it will be part of some long term strategy to make his part of the web more locked down.

  • Re:Duh... (Score:5, Informative)

    by link-error ( 143838 ) on Friday July 16, 2010 @09:53AM (#32925518)
    If you want free real-time access to stock pricing information, just throw a little money into a ScotTrade account. You don't even have to actually buy anything and they pay you interest on the money as well.
  • by kiwipom ( 920352 ) on Friday July 16, 2010 @09:56AM (#32925546)
    Can we clear this up once and for all, the newspaper in question is called The Times, not The London Times, or the Times of London. Other newspapers with the word Times in their name do so because they are named after The Times
  • Re:Duh... (Score:5, Informative)

    by gestalt_n_pepper ( 991155 ) on Friday July 16, 2010 @10:04AM (#32925626)

    Agreed. The "Wall Street Journal" has morphed into "Wall Street People Magazine" and useful to line my cat litter box and stuff packages containing fragile items but not much more. FT is still tolerable if you want information about the economy, but don't want to have ultraconservative delusional thinking shoved down your throat as "Investor's Business Daily" does.

  • by rapiddescent ( 572442 ) on Friday July 16, 2010 @10:10AM (#32925692)

    HitWise have graphs [hitwise.com] that show the decline in market share following the paywall implementation. It shows that The Telegraph [telegraph.co.uk] (also a slightly right of centre broadsheet) picked up traffic as the Times declined.

    What is interesting is that a week after the paywall, there were still users navigating to the website to be confronted with the paywall page - probably because they were being linked to the site from other sites or were using book marks. As they realise that The Times is paywalled, they are not going back.

  • WSJ (Score:3, Informative)

    by Elfich47 ( 703900 ) on Friday July 16, 2010 @10:26AM (#32925896)
    It appears that the quality of the WSJ reporting has declined since Murdoch took over. Most of the serious economists that want hard data and serious analysis have fled the WSJ and moved to the FT. The reason is simple: The WSJ is no longer providing the material that it used to. On the other hand I think the Bancroft Family took the best advice for the stock market when selling the paper: Buy Low, Sell High.
  • by VJ42 ( 860241 ) * on Friday July 16, 2010 @10:30AM (#32925934)

    He was lucky to get away with it - if that went to court, he'd probably lose.

    Not true - You only need TV Licence if you watch or record TV as it's being broadcast; if you only use it to play XBOX\Wii or just to watch DVDs, then you don't need a licence. TV licensing FAQ [tvlicensing.co.uk]:

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16, 2010 @10:53AM (#32926212)

    But in this version,, Murdock plays the part of the Sheriff of Nottingham..

  • by debrain ( 29228 ) on Friday July 16, 2010 @11:19AM (#32926558) Journal

    Yep. Good thing the Internet was not built by corporations like Google, Amazon, Slashdot, CNN, etc....

    Sir –

    The Internet was not built by those companies. Those companies were built on the Internet.

    Of those companies, the History of the Internet [wikipedia.org] on Wikipedia mentions only Google, and that only in the narrow context of search engines.

  • Re:Duh... (Score:3, Informative)

    by geekoid ( 135745 ) <dadinportland&yahoo,com> on Friday July 16, 2010 @11:24AM (#32926612) Homepage Journal

    "it was a labor of love.

    Yes, I'm sure the act there was no good advertising method had nothing to do with that~

    I also remember it was :
    A) NO ads, or;
    B) screaming op up adds, and plenty of them. Often opening windows i pt in size or outside the screen area of a computer.

    Before that, well it wasn't much to look at.

  • Re:Duh... (Score:3, Informative)

    by joshsnow ( 551754 ) on Friday July 16, 2010 @11:36AM (#32926806) Journal
    They also fell heads-over-heel for Obama.
    That's not quite accurate. They strongly supported John McCain until it became obvious that Palin was sinking his ship. Their support for Obama has always been critical and muted.
  • Re:Duh... (Score:2, Informative)

    by Attila Dimedici ( 1036002 ) on Friday July 16, 2010 @12:54PM (#32927964)
    There was a book about assassinating Bush, there was a movie about assassinating Bush. Both of these received rave reviews in the NYT. Here is a link to some of the signs held up at protests http://www.binscorner.com/pages/d/death-threats-against-bush-at-protests-i.html [binscorner.com] Have you seen anything similar on Fox (in particular the CBS show that had a picture of Bush with "Snipers Wanted" inserted).
    I see by your comment about Cheney that you are a fan of Bill Maher who said that someone should kill Dick Cheney..
  • Re:Duh... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Bassman59 ( 519820 ) <andy@nOspam.latke.net> on Friday July 16, 2010 @01:46PM (#32928760) Homepage

    Except for the testimony of the UN weapons inspectors

    You should try reading the report right before the invasion. There wasn't a smoking gun, and the inspectors wanted more time, but they also noted that Saddam had to be dragged kicking and screaming the whole way to let the inspectors do their work. Saddam didn't do himself any favors by acting like he had something to hide.

    Saddam, being a strongman, was trying to avoid looking weak to his subjects and to the larger Arab world. He had too much invested in the appearance of having a WMD program to just up and go, "Hah! Just kidding!"

    Yes, the weapons inspectors wanted more time, because when it comes to prosecuting a war of choice -- and that's what it was -- they wanted to be certain. Bush of course just wanted to "Get Saddam" and couldn't stand waiting for diplomacy and inspections.

  • Re:Duh... (Score:3, Informative)

    by rduke15 ( 721841 ) <rduke15@gm[ ].com ['ail' in gap]> on Friday July 16, 2010 @02:01PM (#32929012)

    At the time it began, the Iraq war had widespread favor across the political spectrum, [...] . Belief in WMD was similarly pervasive

    It may be useful to point out that this was only in the US, as far as I know. Of course, the US perception is what's the most relevant and important, since they started the war, but it's still interesting to be aware that it was limited to the US and very few other countries.

    In continental Europe, the Iraq war had "widespread opposition across the political spectrum". And belief in WMD was definitely not "pervasive".

    On the radio, I heard people like the boss of the UN inspectors, and others, explaining that the allegations didn't seem to make sense. They complained about all the problems they had to do their inspections because Iraq was very uncooperative, but at the same time, they still seemed very confident that there was no active WMD program, and that the programs that did exist had stopped after the first Gulf war and couldn't possibly have seriously restarted.

  • by Doomdark ( 136619 ) on Friday July 16, 2010 @04:02PM (#32931142) Homepage Journal
    You are implying that all members of US democratic party would be considered so-called liberals (so-called because word liberal has rather odd current usage in US, but I digress). This is not the case. Rather, just like republicans, democrats have wide spectrum of politicians, extending to liberals as well as moderate conservatives.

    And yes, from within actual US liberals -- including those democrats that can be considered ones judging by their overall positions, not just based on their stance wrt war(s) -- most have been against various US lead wars. More so against Iraq, bit less so against others. And for good reasons, not all wars had equally sound or unsound justifications.

  • Re:Duh... (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 17, 2010 @05:32AM (#32935772)

    >>I don't know whose tits YOU've been looking at but most normal people have 2, not 1 or 3...

    Google "Page 3" and figure it out for yourself.

  • Re:Duh... (Score:3, Informative)

    by the_womble ( 580291 ) on Tuesday July 20, 2010 @11:06AM (#32964714) Homepage Journal

    Given that The Economist is a British publication and most people in Britain opposed the Iraq war I think does make it very right wing.

  • by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Tuesday July 20, 2010 @06:08PM (#32971420) Journal
    No, I don't realise that at all. The main reason that I don't realise that is that I was involved with the OSC's complaint and the regulator's consultation on the issue, and that was never once raised as a concern by the BBC or the regulator. Presumably because you just made it up.

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