Armed Man Takes Hostages At Discovery Channel HQ 1090
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from the man-vs-channel dept.
An anonymous reader writes "The manifesto of the man holding the Discovery Channel hostage with a bomb has been released. He has fired shots and taken hostages. His main complaints are about overpopulation, religion and civilization. He wants them to avoid encouraging people to produce more 'disgusting human babies,' to get people to accept 'Malthus-Darwin science,' reject civilization and its 'disgusting religious-cultural roots,' and to stop 'ALL immigration pollution.'" The man has now been shot by police, and the hostages have been freed.
the manifesto (Score:5, Informative)
is cached. [googleusercontent.com]
Malthus Primer (Score:5, Informative)
Millibrain here seems to have got it exactly backwards (http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0901_demands.pdf):
Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race.
I was wondering for a while whether this dumbass was going to make an unexpectedly personal contribution to the zero population growth movement with the help of the local police. At any rate, "Malthusianism" is a perjorative in economics, as in "that's nothing more than warmed over Malthusianism". Where Malthus got it wrong was in not forseeing the economics pressures that drove innovation that in turn increased crop yields so that food supplies could indeed grow exponentially. His reasoning, per se, isn't wrong - but he starts from a false premise.
His website's text (Score:5, Informative)
The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:
1. The Discovery Channel and it's affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's "My Ishmael" pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other's inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!!
2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs' places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.
3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore. Instead, talk about ways to disassemble civilization and concentrate the message in finding SOLUTIONS to solving global military mechanized conflict. Again, solutions solutions instead of just repeating the same old wars with newer weapons. Also, keep out the fraudulent peace movements. They are liars and fakes and had no real intention of ending the wars. ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE! On one hand, they claim they want the wars to end, on the other, they are demanding the human population increase. World War II had 2 Billion humans and after that war, the people decided that tripling the population would assure peace. WTF??? STUPIDITY! MORE HUMANS EQUALS MORE WAR!
4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. Broadcast this message until the pollution in the planet is reversed and the human population goes down! This is your obligation. If you think it isn't, then get hell off the planet! Breathe Oil! It is the moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??
5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)
6. Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy. Find ways so that people don't build more housing pollution which destroys the environment to make way for more human filth! Find solutions so that people stop breeding as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!
7. Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race. Talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people's brains until they get it!!
8. Saving the Planet means saving what's left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the hum
Re:It's always refreshing (Score:5, Informative)
He's not completely psycho. Discovery's (TLC's) support of Jon and Kate Plus Eight, 19 Kids and Counting, etc is disgusting. Those parents should be in jail, not rolling in money.
Re:But... (Score:5, Informative)
Alas, we'll now get to listen to him rant in court, too.
Only if your Ghost Lab option comes true... Oh and the court decides to start trying ghosts...
The gunman, identified as James Lee, was killed by police following four hours of negotiations but the hostages are all safe, said Montgomery County Police Chief J. Thomas Manger.
The crackpot's web site (Score:5, Informative)
Domain name: SAVETHEPLANETPROTEST.COM
Administrative Contact:
Lee, James savetheplanetprotest.com@freeprivateregistration.com
P.O. Box 81024
Burnaby, BC V5H 4K2
CA
852-3594-1708
Technical Contact:
Hostmaster, Domain hostmaster@doteasy.com
Suite 210 - 3602 Gilmore Way
Burnaby, BC V5G 4W9
CA
(604) 434-4307 Fax: (604) 608-6832
Registrar of Record: In2net Network Inc.
Record last updated on 03-Jan-2010.
Record expires on 07-Jan-2011.
Record created on 07-Jan-2008.
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The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:
1. The Discovery Channel and it's affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's "My Ishmael" pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other's inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!!
2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs' places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.
3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore. Instead, talk about ways to disassemble civilization and concentrate the message in finding SOLUTIONS to solving global military mechanized conflict. Again, solutions solutions instead of just repeating the same old wars with newer weapons. Also, keep out the fraudulent peace movements. They are liars and fakes and had no real intention of ending the wars. ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE! On one hand, they claim they want the wars to end, on the other, they are demanding the human population increase. World War II had 2 Billion humans and after that war, the people decided that tripling the population would assure peace. WTF??? STUPIDITY! MORE HUMANS EQUALS MORE WAR!
4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. Broadcast this message until the pollution in the planet is reversed and the human population goes down! This is your obligation. If you think it isn't, then get hell off the planet! Breathe Oil! It is the moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??
5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and p
Re:It's always refreshing (Score:5, Informative)
Re:It's always refreshing (Score:4, Informative)
See Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal" written in 1729.
http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html [art-bin.com]
"I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee or a ragout."
and
"The constant breeders, beside the gain of eight shillings sterling per annum by the sale of their children, will be rid of the charge of maintaining them after the first year."
Clearly this is an old idea. What's the delay in getting this wholesome food into the grocery stores?
Re:Well... (Score:4, Informative)
The sanity of a few of his points along with the insanity of most of them makes his manifesto such a fun read (if you can blend out the whole hostage-taking business). "Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order." That last bit just cracks me up.
Also the book he refers to ("channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's "My Ishmael" pages 207-212") is described on Wikipedia: "My Ishmael is a sequel to the novel Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. Its plot revolves around a gorilla named Ishmael who describes his philosophy regarding tribal society to Julie, a twelve-year-old girl." This might be a good political book or not (I have no idea), but in terms of analytical quality and intellectual depth I assume it's not quite in the same league as Das Kapital.
Re:It's always refreshing (Score:5, Informative)
>>No, even back then 19 kids was not normal. More like 6-12 at the most.
I've got a family tree from the 1800s framed up in my guest room. Yeah, 6-12 was the average, but some had more. The average woman had 5 to 7 kids in the 1800s. A family of 19 wouldn't have been called "disgusting" - as the GGP did - back in the day.
>>Even so, back then, half the kids died before they reached 1 year of age.
A 50% infant mortality rate? I don't think so.
http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/haines.demography [eh.net]
Re:Thanks a lot, Jackass (Score:1, Informative)
Only to people who disagree with their politics and can't tolerate the existence of opposing viewpoints.
There have actually been plants exposed at Tea Party rallies, placed there to intentionally espouse racist views in front of cameras. A Soros-funded commercial used footage of one of these plants and didn't show the footage of the rally members subsequently expelling the guy and saying his views don't represent them.
I've never gotten the crazy bitterness that liberals have over the Tea Party. It's just a bunch of anti-tax, anti-government people. It's like the fact that conservatives have a grassroots movement equivalent to Obama's grassroots movement in 2008 really bothers liberals and drives them nuts. Well, part of living in a democracy is accepting that other people think differently than you.
Re:Get Hell off the Planet!!! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:A kernal of sense in an insane mind (Score:2, Informative)
Re:It's always refreshing (Score:2, Informative)
17% to 20% is still pretty miserable. Even then those numbers don't show how many children died young, just infants.
Re:It's always refreshing (Score:2, Informative)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Buddhism#Zen_and_the_Absolute [wikipedia.org]
One sample:
"At the outset, let me state that Buddhism is not atheistic as the term is ordinarily understood. It has certainly a God, the highest reality and truth, through which and in which this universe exists. However, the followers of Buddhism usually avoid the term God, for it savors so much of Christianity, whose spirit is not always exactly in accord with the Buddhist interpretation of religious experience"
You going to pull the no-true-Scotsman card now?
Re:It's always refreshing (Score:3, Informative)
According to your own link, it was about 25% accounting for the difference between black and white kids. That's a lot worse then the ~1% we have now.
That being said, fewer children are being born into western societies because we no longer need a large family to support ourselves into old age. If you look at a young adult from the Philippines (not Phil-Am, one who was born and grew up in the Philippines) they will tend to have a larger number of siblings, 5-7 is not unusual, even 9 is not abnormal. This is because in third world nations, the younger generation are required to support the elder members of the family so the more kids there are, the easier life the parents will have. The story is the same across most developing nations in Asia, Africa and South America but the situation in the Phils is a bit worse because of deep rooted Christianity (opposition to contraceptives) as compared to Thailand or Cambodia (both governments actively support contraceptive use as a way to stop the spread of STD's).
The economic need to have children is gone from western and advanced societies, only the biological need remains and that's strong enough (normally) to ensure a growing population. People like to drag up examples like OctoMum without realising just how much of an anomaly they are. I believe about 2.4 kids is normal per couple (at least for Australia).
Re:Thanks a lot, Jackass (Score:3, Informative)
The current Tea Party is based on misinformation and exploiting emotions rather than anything factual.
Then you obviously haven't been paying attention to what the people in the Tea Party have actually been saying. I tried to find an easy summation of what I have seen various people who identify themselves with the Tea Party movement have said that it is to them. Here is the best I could find: # Identify constitutionality of every new law: Require each bill to identify the specific provision of the Constitution that gives Congress the power to do what the bill does.
# Reject emissions trading: Stop the "cap and trade" administrative approach used to control pollution by providing economic incentives for achieving reductions in the emissions of pollutants.
# Demand a balanced federal budget: Begin the Constitutional amendment process to require a balanced budget with a two-thirds majority needed for any tax modification.
# Simplify the tax system: Adopt a simple and fair single-rate tax system by scrapping the internal revenue code and replacing it with one that is no longer than 4,543 words – the length of the original Constitution.
# Audit federal government agencies for constitutionality: Create a Blue Ribbon taskforce that engages in an audit of federal agencies and programs, assessing their Constitutionality, and identifying duplication, waste, ineffectiveness, and agencies and programs better left for the states or local authorities
# Limit annual growth in federal spending: Impose a statutory cap limiting the annual growth in total federal spending to the sum of the inflation rate plus the percentage of population growth.
# Repeal the health care legislation passed on March 23, 2010
# Pass an 'All-of-the-Above' Energy Policy: Authorize the exploration of additional energy reserves to reduce American dependence on foreign energy sources and reduce regulatory barriers to all other forms of energy creation.
# Reduce Earmarks
# Reduce Taxes
Not all of the people who identify themselves as part of the Tea Party movement would agree with all of these points, they are all consistent with what people who have identified themselves with the Tea Party movement have said the movement is about. Some people who identify with the Tea Party movement would say that one or more of the points on this list are not the best way to accomplish the goals of the Tea Party, but the vast majority would say that these points represent legitimate ideas about how to do that.
Re:It's always refreshing (Score:2, Informative)
and they all died of dysentery.