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Armed Man Takes Hostages At Discovery Channel HQ 1090
An anonymous reader writes "The manifesto of the man holding the Discovery Channel hostage with a bomb has been released. He has fired shots and taken hostages. His main complaints are about overpopulation, religion and civilization. He wants them to avoid encouraging people to produce more 'disgusting human babies,' to get people to accept 'Malthus-Darwin science,' reject civilization and its 'disgusting religious-cultural roots,' and to stop 'ALL immigration pollution.'" The man has now been shot by police, and the hostages have been freed.
It's always refreshing (Score:4, Insightful)
It's always refreshing when Atheists are the psychos. I'm mean, c'mon! This guy is a representation of all atheists, right? :)
Re:It's always refreshing (Score:5, Informative)
He's not completely psycho. Discovery's (TLC's) support of Jon and Kate Plus Eight, 19 Kids and Counting, etc is disgusting. Those parents should be in jail, not rolling in money.
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>>19 Kids and Counting, etc is disgusting.
Do you know that your great-grandparents, or their parents, probably had that many kids, right? That the 2 child household is a very recent development?
Re:It's always refreshing (Score:4, Insightful)
No, even back then 19 kids was not normal. More like 6-12 at the most.
Even so, back then, half the kids died before they reached 1 year of age. So it's not like there were families with a couple dozen kids running around.
Re:It's always refreshing (Score:5, Informative)
>>No, even back then 19 kids was not normal. More like 6-12 at the most.
I've got a family tree from the 1800s framed up in my guest room. Yeah, 6-12 was the average, but some had more. The average woman had 5 to 7 kids in the 1800s. A family of 19 wouldn't have been called "disgusting" - as the GGP did - back in the day.
>>Even so, back then, half the kids died before they reached 1 year of age.
A 50% infant mortality rate? I don't think so.
http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/haines.demography [eh.net]
A kernal of sense in an insane mind (Score:5, Insightful)
What sucks about this is this guy has got a point, but that's lost because his actions are plain nuts and will drown out most mainstream discussion. But the point is that we are at a point where we are deeply concerned with climate change and resources on this planet, and people think that it's not at all irresponsible to have 19 children, and then the media encourages it!
China may be run by dictatorial fuckwads, but they have a point with their laws on having children. The entire society can't sustain it's population now, so adding another billion hungry mouths over 20 years is just going to fuck things up even more. With the scientific information I've been seeing as of late with global warming, potable water, oil, etc, I can actually envision near future where first world countries start considering birth limits. I understand the personal liberties some people feel they have a right to, but there comes a time when your insistence on having more children affects me and my family. If just you, me, and your spouse left on the planet, and there is only enough food to feed 3 people, and you and your spouse go and have a child without asking me, someone is going to have to give up food. You just impinged on me and my ability to stay alive by having a child. This is not a matter of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, this is good old fashioned primitive instinct of I want to live.
This guy might be an insane fuckwad, but he has a point. We should not be glorifying having 19 children when every new child strains our resources. Sure, we need to have babies to keep the species alive, but without resources to sustain them, there will be a huge population crash.
Re:A kernal of sense in an insane mind (Score:5, Insightful)
Europe doesn't need growth limits. At their current rate of replacement, there won't be many Europeans left in this world in a few generations.
The US is not over-populated. The world is a different question and one that many 'experts' have been very, very wrong about many, many times.
BS (Score:4, Interesting)
Christ all mighty, this Neo-Con bullshit again.
"Oh noes, teh evil immigrants are going to kill our nation and history, blah, blah, ADDED FOR EXTRA SCAREMONGERING!1!one1!"
I call BS.
I live in Australia and over the last 50 years we've had so many new groups integrate it's not funny. The local racist organisation will tell you that the Africans have come to destroy the Australian way of life. Maybe but 10 years ago that same racist organisation said the same thing about the Indians (so how are the Africans going to succeed where the Indians failed). When I was a wee tacker (20 years ago) they used to tell me how the Asians were going to steal all the Jerbs and there would be none for me (yep, saw how that one turned out). When my dad was my age the same thing was said about the Wogs (Greeks and Italians), the Irish before them, going back to when captain Cook first settled onto Botany bay there were these same scaremongers spouting the same bullshit and to be quite frank, I'm sick of it.
So with a Greek Kebab (souvlaki), Kwai Teow, Indian Curry, Meat Pie and Cold Beer I call BS. Immigration has done nothing but help this nation and I can say with absolute certainty that introducing and integrating new groups has not destroyed the things that made Australia great.
So kindly sod off with this nonsense.
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A Turk living in Germany is a German in the same way that a Dane living in Greenland is an Eskimo.
Re:A kernal of sense in an insane mind (Score:4, Insightful)
A Turk living in Germany is a German in the same way that a Dane living in Greenland is an Eskimo.
You're conflating several different things here, making your point meaningless. Europe is a region. Germany is a nation. Eskimo is a culture/race. It's quite possible for somebody to belong to all of those three at the same time.
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Claims that overpopulation is why we have poverty, environmental problems, etc and predictions that continued growth will lead to disaster have time and again been shown to be dead wrong, from Malthus to Ehrlich to the present day.
Ultimately the core of the message is selfish- claiming that for some reason your present consumption patterns should be protected by preventing other people from living and that the responsibility for society's problems lies not on our unwise actions but in the fact that other pe
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The thing is, you can't just refuse to give a hungry child food and rant for 5 paragraphs about politics and the middle ages. These children can't help their parents' stupidity and need to be helped. I'm not sure what the solution is though because you're right, they keep pumping out babies and we keep feeding them. There has to be a penalty for the mother to stop the cycle. Forced abortions are a touchy issue what with China but if you're not willfully breaking the law by having more kids then you have not
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When you put kids in a dangerous environment without any food/money, and reject and scorn them as a society so they have to fend for themselves, they don't just die off cleanly. They form gangs.
They would murder people, destroy neighborhoods, have no education and speak an unintelligible street slang, and be generally useless to society. Except instead of being fed with tax money, they're fed by robbing you at knifepoint and taking everything you have.
Re:A kernal of sense in an insane mind (Score:5, Insightful)
Honestly, this whole thread has devolved into fucked-up "BLAME THE POOR!" bullshit, so I'm not going to argue with you past pointing this out: in states where guns are readily available, THEY ROB YOU AT GUNPOINT.
And you know what? The immensely greater lethality of firearms, and the ease of learning to use them means that, no matter how AWESOME and FULL OF TESTOSTERONE you are, in a confrontation involving guns on both sides, you're just about as likely to end up being shot as the other guy.
P.S. For anyone who bought the "robberies aren't as common in states with permissive gun laws" line, check out the statistics on violent crime and cross-reference by gun ownership statistics. If that's TLDR, I'll let you in on the twist ending - MOAR GUNZ != LESS CRIMEZ!
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"But today, the government basically forces people with more resources to give some of those resources to families that have less"
What does it mean? Why do some people 'have' more resources? Are they stronger? Do they plow larger fields? Or maybe they have better-bred cows?
Some people have more resources because they live in a fucking society, which is supported by people with less resources. So stop whining and go to live on an uninhabited island. Where no-one will take away your precious resources.
Re:A kernal of sense in an insane mind (Score:5, Insightful)
It's interesting to note which people oppose the simple solutions to this problem: sex education, contraceptives, and abortion.
Generally it's the same people complaining about the situation.
Re:It's always refreshing (Score:5, Insightful)
I personally think having that many kids is pretty damn weird, but who the hell are you to judge? It's not like they're on welfare and you're paying for it--apparently, they were fine financially before the reality stuff. The US isn't an overpopulated nation, either. Our birth rate is below replacement, so we can tolerate the occasional outlier--and "outlier" is exactly what these people are--like this.
"In jail?" Fuck you.
Re:It's always refreshing (Score:5, Insightful)
It's a child protection issue not a financial issue. There's no way that the parents can pay adequate attention to each child. They educate each other (public school is evil etc), take care of each other, and fend for themselves most of the time. There is such a thing as a criminally irresponsible parent (leave your kid in a locked car for example).
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No no no, you don't understand. Most atheists are totally for TV shows like Jon and Kate - I mean, where else are we going to get a steady supply of fresh babies?
Next you're going to tell me that I should be barbecuing some cute cows or something. Disgusting.
On the other hand, if you're dealing with an atheist vegan, that's when you have problems.
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Atheists don't believe in a deity, but they might still have some spiritual component
Yes, but that's because the word "spiritual" is completely fucking useless, and can mean absolutely anything.
Buddhists are atheists, for example.
No, they're not. You may have noticed that the word "atheism" contains the word "theism". I know, it's hard to see, but it's in there.
Funny enough, the ancient Greeks used to refer to Christians as atheists, because they didn't believe in the Greek Gods. If you're going to use such a limited definition of the word, you're making the same mistake the Greeks did.
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Buddhists are atheists, for example.
No, they're not. You may have noticed that the word "atheism" contains the word "theism". I know, it's hard to see, but it's in there.
Yeah, try actually looking to see what "theism" means. It means a belief in a deity. Buddha isn't a god. Hence Buddhists are atheists with spiritual beliefs (such as reincarnation).
I don't know what "definition" of [a]theism you're using, but it isn't the correct one.
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I did not see anyplace in the article or the manifesto that states James Lee was an atheist. Besides, there is a difference between crazy person does something violent and crazy person does something violent in the name of religion (shooting doctors who perform abortion or bombing medical clinics). In this case, the person acted based on flawed environmental views, not because he was an atheist. In the case of shooting doctors, the shooter explicitly claims Christianity as justification for murder.
Re:It's always refreshing (Score:5, Insightful)
If you look at history you will find plenty of evidence of atheists doing unpleasant things. Pol Pot for a start.
The question when we assign blame to ideologies is did the ideology lead the the unpleasant actions. Pol Pot and Stalin and so on didn't kill people because they were atheists. They killed people because they were radical communists, and communists need to have a look at their ideology and ask themselves why every time communists get sweeping powers they do such unpleasant things.
Same goes for Christianity, Islam, every ideology / religion. Christianity encourages the respect of authority, the widely held conception of faith is dangerous, the idea that salvation through grace as opposed to works is dangerous. Some of the bad things people have done in history have been a direct result of their interpretation of Christianity and when that repeatedly happens people will begin to wonder if the ideology / religion itself is a good thing.
Some ideologies are better than others, and if we measure them on their track record it is pretty darn clear that most religions are not conducive to a good social order. Communists should not go around acting all surprised when people point to Stalin and Pol Pot when they talk about their ideology and Christians cant complain when the Crusades and Slavery get brought up. That is the history of those ideologies and ideologies are judged on those histories.
Which brings us nicely to atheism. By it's very nature atheism doesn't do diddly. Go ask your average theist and they will tell you that atheism has nothing to offer, and they are in essence right. No one gets anything out of being an atheist. It doesn't compel anyone to do anything. Are you compelled to do stuff because you don't believe in the tooth fairy? Or Thor? Of course not.
This guy was a Malthusian whack job, you want to complain about that ideology have a field day. But suggesting that atheism had anything to do with his actions is just silly.
Re:It's always refreshing (Score:5, Insightful)
They made Communism their religion.
Dogmatic faith is a monster, whatever guise it wears.
It is the enemy of reason. As soon as people tell you to stop questioning an idea, beware their intentions.
Re:It's always refreshing (Score:5, Insightful)
I was questioning the idea that telling me to stop questioning an idea is a questionable idea.
What's the idea of telling me to stop?
Re:It's always refreshing (Score:5, Insightful)
People gathering together for a cause isn't an issue. It's when someone creates an element of unquestionable authority that you must submit to.
Whether that's Skygod Crankypants, Sauron, or Mao.
Dogmatism is a breeding ground for such "authorities".
Re:It's always refreshing (Score:5, Funny)
must be openbsd.
Re:It's always refreshing (Score:4, Informative)
See Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal" written in 1729.
http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html [art-bin.com]
"I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee or a ragout."
and
"The constant breeders, beside the gain of eight shillings sterling per annum by the sale of their children, will be rid of the charge of maintaining them after the first year."
Clearly this is an old idea. What's the delay in getting this wholesome food into the grocery stores?
Well... (Score:5, Interesting)
Why discovery channel (Score:5, Funny)
This won't affect shark week will it?
Re:Why discovery channel (Score:5, Funny)
Seriously, who holds the people at the Discovery Channel hostage for anything?
People looking for their hostage situation to become a long-running reality series.
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Someone who wants to see shows about real science and nature, and not a bunch of stupid melodramas about boneheads building crappy motorcycles?
This guy should have shot whichever person at Discovery was responsible for American Chopper.
Ok you first... (Score:4, Insightful)
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Indiana Jones: Archaeology is the search for fact... not truth. If it's truth you're looking for, Dr. Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall.
Re:Ok you first... (Score:5, Insightful)
He also advocated ending all immigration and the "Anchor baby Filth'. I'm not going to blame him in the right just for that, but if you read his manifesto enough to find your quote and ignored that part, you are deliberately lying. Lee was insane. Trying to use him to paint a political movement you don't like as the cause is a good way to get more violence going. I doubt you have enough discipline to control your hatred by actually seeking to speak the truth first and foremost, but I do urge just that on you - learn to care more about the truth and human life than you do about spreading lies and hatred. Actually reading Lee's manifesto with understanding reveals he thought many people were valueless or of negative value. Your own life is worth more than he thought - don't waste it in lies and prove him right.
the manifesto (Score:5, Informative)
is cached. [googleusercontent.com]
It's a good thing... (Score:5, Funny)
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dear crazy guy,
we stoped producing babies (or even trying to) years ago.
the slashdot readership.
Think of the Froggies! (Score:4, Funny)
Won't somebody please think of the Froggies!
Thanks a lot, Jackass (Score:3, Insightful)
This disturbed jerk has provided the Pave the Earth right wing with a new Emanuel Goldstein.
"SEE? We told you all the environmentalists hated humanity! This is all the proof we need that global warming is a hoax and that Yellowstone Park should be sold off to create timeshare resorts!"
Re:Thanks a lot, Jackass (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously, judging any movement by it's most extreme elements is silly.
Re:Thanks a lot, Jackass (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Thanks a lot, Jackass (Score:4, Insightful)
I disagree with the Tea Party and their hangers-on in matters of "fact" that they claim. Things like America being founded as a Christian nation. That religion is the answer to America's ills (hint: we're fighting terrorists who believe the same fucking thing, only a slightly different religion). Pretty much ANYTHING Sarah Palin states as fact.
I don't like the Democrats or Republicans, and I try my damndest to not be partisan. The current Tea Party is based on misinformation and exploiting emotions rather than anything factual.
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Things like America being founded as a Christian nation.
It wasn't exactly Christian, no. Religion/Deism, and the Bible, were pretty big deals back then. Let's not ignore that part of history. Yes, I know about Jefferson's Bible. Yes, I know about other Deists. Yes, I know a lot of people were not "Christians." Yes, I know a lot of Christians want to Christian-ize history. I'm against all that stuff. I'm also against atheism-izing them if they weren't atheists.
only a slightly different religion
Slightly? Either you are being facetious or you don't have much of a clue about the differences
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You disagree with pretty much anything Sarah Palin states as fact? Really? I don't know how you can come to that conclusion reasonably. Do you doubt that she has a daughter with down's syndrome? Do you think she wasn't governor of Alaska? Do you think America should stay a democracy? Do you respect George Washington? I'm going to guess that you actually agree with the
Re:Thanks a lot, Jackass (Score:4, Insightful)
Now you understand how Right-wingers feel at being labeled 'The American Taliban.' Seriously, judging any movement by it's most extreme elements is silly.
There are left/right-wingers, moderates, and centrists. The something-wingers are, by definition, the "most extremist elements".
Re:Thanks a lot, Jackass (Score:4, Insightful)
And how Muslims in NYC feel when people try to punish them for 9/11.
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The irony of your comment is that the so-called "Pave the Earthers" who want to sell off Yellowtone Park to create timeshares are no more representative of the right wing than is this disturbed jerk representative of the left. You engage in the same partisan misrepresentation which you ridicule, though with opposing polarity.
'disgusting human babies' (Score:5, Funny)
Invader Zim is back!
Malthus Primer (Score:5, Informative)
Millibrain here seems to have got it exactly backwards (http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0901_demands.pdf):
Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race.
I was wondering for a while whether this dumbass was going to make an unexpectedly personal contribution to the zero population growth movement with the help of the local police. At any rate, "Malthusianism" is a perjorative in economics, as in "that's nothing more than warmed over Malthusianism". Where Malthus got it wrong was in not forseeing the economics pressures that drove innovation that in turn increased crop yields so that food supplies could indeed grow exponentially. His reasoning, per se, isn't wrong - but he starts from a false premise.
Re:Malthus Primer (Score:5, Insightful)
The food supply curve is not exponential. It has exceeded exponential growth for a century, but only by consuming ever increasingly scarce resources to do so. Soil quality and aquifer levels are dramatically declining, soon even oil based fertilizers (that will become prohibitively expensive with peak oil) won't be enough to keep up production.
Malthus was failed to account for technological advances and declining human fertility. But he also failed to account for destruction of the soil and irrigation systems from over production. His ideas were far from perfect, but they do have merit.
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The key missed insight that we have, that Malthus didn't, is that supplies of things that are highly constrained in the short run are subject to economic pressures that may make them less constrained in the long run.
So as soil quality and aquifer levels decline, their portion of the price of food will rise (because supplies are more
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Heh. It's funny that you can completely accept that Maltheus was overreacting because he failed to allow for the advancement of technology, and in the same breath claim that we're all doomed because we're running out of X. Maltheus would have been proud.
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Where Malthus got it wrong was in not forseeing the economics pressures that drove innovation that in turn increased crop yields so that food supplies could indeed grow exponentially.
And where many economists get it wrong is in not realizing that this is not sustainable. You can print exponentially much money and delude yourself into believing that there is perpetual growth, but food production and population growth invariably will hit a wall. We're still growing because we're using up finite resources at
His website's text (Score:5, Informative)
The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:
1. The Discovery Channel and it's affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's "My Ishmael" pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other's inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!!
2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs' places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.
3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore. Instead, talk about ways to disassemble civilization and concentrate the message in finding SOLUTIONS to solving global military mechanized conflict. Again, solutions solutions instead of just repeating the same old wars with newer weapons. Also, keep out the fraudulent peace movements. They are liars and fakes and had no real intention of ending the wars. ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE! On one hand, they claim they want the wars to end, on the other, they are demanding the human population increase. World War II had 2 Billion humans and after that war, the people decided that tripling the population would assure peace. WTF??? STUPIDITY! MORE HUMANS EQUALS MORE WAR!
4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. Broadcast this message until the pollution in the planet is reversed and the human population goes down! This is your obligation. If you think it isn't, then get hell off the planet! Breathe Oil! It is the moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??
5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)
6. Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy. Find ways so that people don't build more housing pollution which destroys the environment to make way for more human filth! Find solutions so that people stop breeding as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!
7. Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race. Talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people's brains until they get it!!
8. Saving the Planet means saving what's left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the hum
Re:His website's text (Score:4, Insightful)
well, obviously the guy was deranged, but some of his points are valid.
The problem is that most countries rely on ever increasing population for their economy to strive and the politicians to do well (starting with social security that is not funded by people other than the ones who get the money).
The world clearly could do better with a decreasing population, but most governments encourage exactly the opposite, so indeed right now humans are going to spread until they've taken over all the resources available and at the expense of pretty much all other lifeforms on the planet.
I'll be dead before then, but thinking about it makes me sad.
Re:His website's text (Score:5, Funny)
I'd watch a Discovery Channel game show based on Time Cube!
I'm sorry, moonbender, the answer is "Word Animal Singularity Brotherhood." You are educated stupid. Goodnight.
But... (Score:5, Funny)
Why didn't he just jump off the building, and then make an immediate appearance on Ghost Lab? He would have had all the air time in the world to rant about "parasitic human infants" if he could make the first ever actually non-BS appearance on an idiotic cable ghost hunting show.
Anyway, let's hear it for the Montgomery County PD for taking care of this clown. Alas, we'll now get to listen to him rant in court, too.
Re:But... (Score:5, Informative)
Alas, we'll now get to listen to him rant in court, too.
Only if your Ghost Lab option comes true... Oh and the court decides to start trying ghosts...
The gunman, identified as James Lee, was killed by police following four hours of negotiations but the hostages are all safe, said Montgomery County Police Chief J. Thomas Manger.
Of only it was for a good cause (Score:5, Interesting)
Like making Discovery Channel an interesting channel to watch again. I am not interested in (*City) Ink or in a cake-baking italian. No more seasons of crab/lobster/nessie fishing. I want the interesting stuff back again, learning things I wouldn't have learned otherwise. I will tolerate endless Rex Hunt reruns if this would be the case.
But no, mister hostage taker has some sort of higher goal here. Typical.
Busted... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Busted... (Score:5, Funny)
... and Mike Rowe cleaned up the mess left behind.
Re:Busted... (Score:5, Funny)
I love potatoes,
I love to kick some ass,
I love the SWAT teams,
Who aim for center mass!
~Boom-de-headshot, boom-de-headshot, boom-de-headshot, boom-de-headshot~
Re:Busted... (Score:5, Funny)
Impossible! (Score:3, Funny)
Washington has laws against such things.
Maybe they should have passed two or three more laws against them, so the guy wouldn't have done it.
the real question is (Score:5, Funny)
what is his slashdot id?
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'disgusting human babies' ? (Score:3, Funny)
He wants them to avoid encouraging people to produce more 'disgusting human babies'
Well, if human women start giving birth to giraffes, let me know. Nice critters.
omfg!!! (Score:3, Insightful)
I wanted to make a joke out of this... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Sure fire way (Score:5, Funny)
Committing violence is never the way to gain true followers.
Violence is like XML -- if it's not solving your problem, you're not using enough of it!
(See, naysayers! We can turn anything into News for Nerds.)
Re:Slashdot/CNN (Score:4, Funny)
But he took over the Discovery HQ! Think of the sharks!
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No, most of them are just a burden. People need education and upbringing to turn them into resources, otherwise they're only good for dumb manual labor which can be replaced by automation (and a lot of them are actually a big negative, as they consume resources and cause problems, called "crime"). Turning people into productive resources requires a very large investment of time and energy.
And no, we don't have plenty of food. Fresh water is dwindling, oil is dwindling (needed as fertilizer), desertificat
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The crackpot's web site (Score:5, Informative)
Domain name: SAVETHEPLANETPROTEST.COM
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852-3594-1708
Technical Contact:
Hostmaster, Domain hostmaster@doteasy.com
Suite 210 - 3602 Gilmore Way
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(604) 434-4307 Fax: (604) 608-6832
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The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:
1. The Discovery Channel and it's affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's "My Ishmael" pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other's inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!!
2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs' places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.
3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore. Instead, talk about ways to disassemble civilization and concentrate the message in finding SOLUTIONS to solving global military mechanized conflict. Again, solutions solutions instead of just repeating the same old wars with newer weapons. Also, keep out the fraudulent peace movements. They are liars and fakes and had no real intention of ending the wars. ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE! On one hand, they claim they want the wars to end, on the other, they are demanding the human population increase. World War II had 2 Billion humans and after that war, the people decided that tripling the population would assure peace. WTF??? STUPIDITY! MORE HUMANS EQUALS MORE WAR!
4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. Broadcast this message until the pollution in the planet is reversed and the human population goes down! This is your obligation. If you think it isn't, then get hell off the planet! Breathe Oil! It is the moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??
5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and p
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See, that's the thing though...his base intentions are actually quite noble; it's the completely bassackwards way he went about trying to accomplish his goals (as well as how he attempted to present his arguments) that are crazy.
Re:Get Hell off the Planet!!! (Score:5, Insightful)
This guy is not a teabagger despite the fact that he hates immigrants. He isn't a liberal despite the fact that he likes the environment. He is a dead crazy guy because he took hostages. He didn't need any help from political partisans to achieve his stunning degree of lunacy, I'm pretty sure he got there all on his own.
Re:Get Hell off the Planet!!! (Score:5, Insightful)
This guy is not a teabagger despite the fact that he hates immigrants. He isn't a liberal despite the fact that he likes the environment. He is a dead crazy guy because he took hostages. He didn't need any help from political partisans to achieve his stunning degree of lunacy, I'm pretty sure he got there all on his own.
The mantra of fanboys everywhere goes something like "never miss an opportunity to associate a nut with any group you don't like. It furthers the whole 'us against them' bullshit that is so easy to exploit. This is so important that a false association is better than none."
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I'm sure the Right will be just as understanding about the fact that this man does not represent liberal environmentalism as the Left was over the fact that Michael Enright's drunken attack on an Arab driver didn't represent conservative opposition to the Ground Zero Mosque.
Karma's a bitch.
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Considering the guy who attacked the arab while drunk worked as part of a group supporting the ground zero mosque and was a devout leftist, you're going to have problems running that one by. This guy however takes many points of the hyper-leftist environmentalism an ran straight forward with them.
But hey, what does it matter? The left have been screaming wildly and blindly for the last year that all members of the tea party are conservative, and racist.
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Besides, if all Muslims are terrorists, then all Christians are abortion clinic bombers and all catholics are child molesters.
Re:Get Hell off the Planet!!! (Score:5, Insightful)
Some of his points are valid, but I don't think telling any lifeform that their babies are disgusting is good marketing, considering any successful species is pretty much hard-wired to love babies..
Re:Get Hell off the Planet!!! (Score:5, Funny)
They taste suspiciously like chicken.
Re:Get Hell off the Planet!!! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Get Hell off the Planet!!! (Score:5, Insightful)
Some of his points are valid,
WTF? Some of his points? Are you arguing that civilization/technology is bad ... on an internet forum? If you're arguing that we need to "reduce the surplus population", well, you first buddy.
Malthus was wrong. Overpopulation has not lead to unsurmountable obstacles, nor is the human population growing out of control. The worlds population is better fed than ever before (more people are overweight than underweight). Diseases are better controlled than ever before. High population density is usually a sign of a wealthy area, these days. This guy was a tool, and the only good thing about him is that he's dead.
Re:Get Hell off the Planet!!! (Score:4, Insightful)
Malthus merely got pushed out and the curve extended. We found a new resource (oil) that allowed the curve to move substantially. Unless we find another resource to replace it, we'll eventually hit the curve again.
Re:Get Hell off the Planet!!! (Score:5, Insightful)
Man, I don't even know who Malthus is, but you should probably research a little bit before you talk.
First, more people are not overweight than underweight. That might be the case in your country, but I assure you that your country does not constitute anywhere near the majority of the planet. The number of obese (dangerously overweight) people in the world number about 300 million (from WHO). The number of malnourished (dangerously underweight) people number over 900 million (from the Wikipedia article on malnutrition).
Maybe you are right about diseases being better controlled. But I for one can't find any data on the rates of pandemics. So who really knows. Our understanding is better, but our odds of world wide contagion is much higher due to the international travel.
Finally, here is the list of the largest cities by population density. Stop me when you find one that doesn't have a huge poverty problem: Mumbai, Kolkata, Karachi, Lagos, Shenzhen, Seoul (maybe here?), Taipei, Chennai, Bogota, Shanghai, Lima, Beijing, Delhi, Kinshasa, Manila, Tehran, Jakarta, Tianjin, Bangalore, Ho Chi Minh City. Well, that's the top 20 anyway. There is wealth in many of these cities, but for the vast majority they also have crushing poverty.
That guy may have been a tool, but he was crazy and is now dead. There's nothing we can do about him. But education is available for the rest of us. Please make use of it.
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But if they did have a religion, I imagine this guy would fit the bill.
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> This is why radical atheism should be considered to be a religion. Blind faith in ANYTHING can bring irrationality. Yes, not collecting stamps is not a hobby, but avoiding touching a stamp could be considered to be a hobby.
Avoiding touching a stamp is not a hobby: it is OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) -- a mental illness.
Likewise that man's defining characteristic is not religion -- he is mentally ill.
Blind faith is not the bringer of irrationality: blind faith is irrationality in itself. Saying th
Re:Well... (Score:4, Informative)
The sanity of a few of his points along with the insanity of most of them makes his manifesto such a fun read (if you can blend out the whole hostage-taking business). "Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order." That last bit just cracks me up.
Also the book he refers to ("channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's "My Ishmael" pages 207-212") is described on Wikipedia: "My Ishmael is a sequel to the novel Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. Its plot revolves around a gorilla named Ishmael who describes his philosophy regarding tribal society to Julie, a twelve-year-old girl." This might be a good political book or not (I have no idea), but in terms of analytical quality and intellectual depth I assume it's not quite in the same league as Das Kapital.
Re:I lol'd at the contradictions (Score:5, Insightful)
You're kidding, right? A modern war does not reduce the net world population except in the very short term. I challenge you to demonstrate otherwise. After the two bloodiest and most destructive wars in recent history, WWI and WWII, the population tripled within two generations, as pointed out by our illustrious manifesto writer du jour.