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Alaska To Export Billions of Gallons of Water 290

theodp writes "Newsweek reports on a company called True Alaska Bottling that has purchased the rights to transfer 3 billion gallons of water a year from Sitka, Alaska's bountiful reserves. If all goes according to plan, 80 million gallons of Blue Lake water will soon be siphoned into the kind of tankers normally reserved for oil and shipped to a bulk bottling facility near Mumbai. From there it will be dispersed among several drought-plagued cities throughout the Middle East. Think of it as a proof of concept for turning life's most essential molecule into a global commodity." I'm sure the residents of Saratoga Springs and Perrier (not to mention the island nation of Fiji) can think of some prior art.
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Alaska To Export Billions of Gallons of Water

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  • or desalinate? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Gothmolly ( 148874 ) on Sunday October 10, 2010 @11:46AM (#33852202)

    How can it possibly be cheaper to drive water from Alaska to Bombay, than it would be to fund and build a desalinization plant?

  • by ColdWetDog ( 752185 ) on Sunday October 10, 2010 @11:53AM (#33852262) Homepage
    Kindof a weird way to wake up. I have no idea what this is doing on Slashdot. FWIW, I live in Sitka and this 'concept' has been going on for about 10 years. TAB (True Alaska Bottlers - they make yet another plastic bottle filled with water) has only managed to ship a couple of hundred thousand gallons to nowhere in particular. They've done this to fulfill a contract obligation that states they have to do that. They do have potential buyers, but they don't have any way to routinely ship the product. They also don't have any money. They haven't paid a bunch of taxes, nor done a whole bunch of maintenance work on the city owned facility that their contract requires them to do. Can't do everything right, I suppose.

    The big problem that TAB (and everybody else in this business has) is how to ship potable water in bulk. They've talked about converting either a tanker or a general merchant ship to take on the water but haven't been able to find the money. I've heard of standard modal containers outfitted with plastic insets - sounds reasonable as the infrastructure to move them is well developed - but I've yet to see one. It's too warm to freeze the water into an ice cube so that one's out. Ten billion 1 liter plastic bottles would be a bitch to recycle.

    So I don't see this one working out at all. But we've got lots of water. 100+ inches per year falling into steep rugged terrain that just says 'dam me!'.
  • Re:News For Nerds (Score:4, Interesting)

    by ColdWetDog ( 752185 ) on Sunday October 10, 2010 @12:02PM (#33852338) Homepage
    Water is a commodity that is covered by several hundred years of law (at least in the US, I'm presuming there are similar arcane water rights laws in other countries). Thus, it can be 'owned' in the sense that certain people have the legal right to do something with it.

    The world is going to be in a world of hurt because clean water is essential to society and civilization and clean, fresh water is unequally distributed around the planet. The human race is literally mining it's water - pulling it out faster than the system can replace it (think aquifers, not rivers).

    But as I pointed out in my other post, it's hard to move potable water. In fact, it might be easier to run a desalinization plant. To ship in bulk you need either an ice berg (which has been proposed) or a purpose built tanker. So far, at least, the economics of water just haven't risen to the point where putting a whole bunch of money in for a tanker makes sense. Maybe later, but not as of 10/10/10.
  • by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Sunday October 10, 2010 @12:03PM (#33852340) Journal
    And yet, the water is going to India to be packaged. I would not be surprised to find out that the oil for the bottles is also coming from Alaska. Amazing.
  • by flyingfsck ( 986395 ) on Sunday October 10, 2010 @12:06PM (#33852364)
    Bombay has no shortage of water, but it is so filthy nobody wants to drink it no matter how well it is cleaned up.
  • by tverbeek ( 457094 ) on Sunday October 10, 2010 @12:23PM (#33852480) Homepage

    I'm a little surprised that there isn't more of a protest from Alaskans over this... though I suppose they're used to "mining" and shipping their natural resources elsewhere. Here in Michigan, which sits in the middle of one of the world's great fresh water reservoirs, the export of water is hotly debated, and regulated under the Great Lakes Compact. In part that's because fresh water (in the form of sailable lakes, fishable rivers, swimmable beaches, etc) is a major part of our tourism economy and what's left of our shipping/industrial economy. In part it's because we know that there are parts of the country (and the world) that are getting thirstier, and we don't want to give up what we have here without a fight. (Though there's a certain segment of the population who'd settle for a profit.) This is just an early skirmish in the Water Wars of the 21st century.

  • Re:News For Nerds (Score:4, Interesting)

    by digitig ( 1056110 ) on Sunday October 10, 2010 @12:59PM (#33852732)
    But the article does say "Think of it as a proof of concept for turning life's most essential molecule into a global commodity", a concept that Perrier et al have already pretty comprehensively proven.
  • Re:Prior art? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by UnknowingFool ( 672806 ) on Sunday October 10, 2010 @01:14PM (#33852854)
    Horrible and slanted posting. The problem that has existed for a long time is resource conservation. In older times, people considered metals like gold, silver, and copper as precious resources. With the start of the industrial revolution, it became about crude oil. In the modern era it seems that water is becoming a precious commodity as the world's population begins to grow. The story is that water in a reserve in Alaska is being shipped to the Middle East. There is nothing new about shipping water only that water is considered scarce enough that companies are willing to ship it across the world.
  • Re:News For Nerds (Score:3, Interesting)

    by vlm ( 69642 ) on Sunday October 10, 2010 @01:19PM (#33852886)

    I don't even see any tech angle here.

    80 million gallons of Blue Lake water will soon be siphoned into the kind of tankers normally reserved for oil

    As far as I know a VLCC has never been repurposed for anything, except maybe as an artificial coral reef. So I guess its a first, at this large scale. An interesting engineering / naval architecture angle, which I guess counts as tech, barely.

  • Great, more landfill (Score:5, Interesting)

    by O('_')O_Bush ( 1162487 ) on Sunday October 10, 2010 @01:21PM (#33852902)
    It's not like they're shipping the water to the existing municipal water infrastructure... they're sending it to a bottling plant, which, besides being costly for consumers and inefficient, means more plastic waste pollution.
  • Re:News For Nerds (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Hadlock ( 143607 ) on Sunday October 10, 2010 @02:00PM (#33853186) Homepage Journal

    Wouldn't they just line the oil tanker's hold with a rubber bladder (liner)? That's what they do with consumer sailboats at least. Big, square metal box, rubber bladder inside of that.

  • Re:or desalinate? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Phat_Tony ( 661117 ) on Sunday October 10, 2010 @02:25PM (#33853384)
    To plug in a little napkin math on your hypothesis (which I expect will be confirmed):

    The Emma Maersk can haul [wikipedia.org] 11,000 14-ton containers, or 154,000 metric tons, or 154,000,000 KG of water, which is the same as liters.

    It consumes 1,660 gallons [ckthisout.com] of fuel oil per hour.

    Of course, the Emma Maersk doesn't sail Alaska to Saudi Arabia, but we can extrapolate from another long-distance trip.

    The sailing distance [portworld.com] from Alaska to the middle east is 10,428 nautical miles.

    When the Emma Maersk sails [maerskline.com] from Yantian to Suez, that's 6,370 miles and it takes 353 hours. So it might be around ((10428/6370) x 353) = 575 hours sailing time, x 1,660 gallons of fuel per hour = 954,500 gallons of fuel. Divided by 154 million liters of water is .0062 gallons of fuel consumed per liter transported. Heavy fuel oil [wikipedia.org] like the Emma Maersk burns contains about 41,805,000 joules per gallon of energy. So that's (.0062 x 41,805,000) = 259,191 Joules of energy consumed per liter of water transported. Of course, I'm not accounting for loading and unloading, but then there's some transportation involoved in getting water to and back from a desalination plant that I'm also not going to account for.

    Desalination plants consume about 5 watt hours of electricity per liter [hurkle.com]. But note that for the Emma Maersk, I used the energy of fuel consumed, not power output of the diesel engine, which only runs at 50% efficiency. So the proper comparison here would also take into account the loss at the power plant. The 2,000 MegaWatt power plant that runs the Jebel Ali desalination plant in Dubai is a gas turbine plant. [zawya.com] Modern gas turbine generators can run at about 60% efficiency [wikipedia.org], so that 5 watt hours of electric energy took about 8.3 watt hours of fuel energy to produce. 8.3 watt hours is about 30,000 joules.

    So unless I've got a big mistake in my napkin math, desalination is actually about 10x more energy efficient that shipping water from Alaska to the Middle East.
  • Re:News For Nerds (Score:4, Interesting)

    by apoc.famine ( 621563 ) <apoc.famineNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Sunday October 10, 2010 @03:20PM (#33853730) Journal
    I was at an engineering lecture last week which touched on desalination lightly. The costs for a developed nation are laughably small. The relative cost for a developing nation, of course, is much higher. Generally, it's under $1 US per cubic meter. That's 1000 liters, ~250 gallons.

    If you're creating an infrastructure to distribute water being shipped into a port, the cost to desalinate it there isn't going to depend on that infrastructure, as you need it for both.

    As a comparison, this would be about $1/6 barrels of oil. I don't know what shipping costs of oil are, but I'm willing to bet it's the same ballpark. (I could only quickly find one number, which was around $1 per barrel of oil. If that's the case, and shipping water is the same cost, it's cheaper to desalinate it.)

    End of this ramble is that it's probably cheaper to desalinate, but it requires less investment up front to import.
  • Re:or desalinate? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by apoc.famine ( 621563 ) <apoc.famineNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Sunday October 10, 2010 @03:37PM (#33853874) Journal
    Short answer: It depends on how much you're importing, and at what rate. Desalination plants are far cheaper in the long run than importing. But they cost a shitload more money up front. If you can't afford the investment, or aren't importing enough water to reach the cost of the investment, it makes sense to import.

    As other posters have pointed out, water is in the range of $1.00-$0.50 US per cubic meter if you desalinate it. 3 billion gallons is only 11 million cubic meters. That's $6-$11 million dollars to desalinate, and probably a bit more than that to transport. Say $20-$50 million to transport, to be very generous. A desalination plant will cost you in the realm of a billion dollars. What possible reason would they want to spend a billion dollars, along with the yearly costs of labor, energy, upkeep, permits, etc? If they were doing 5-10x this much importing, it might start to make sense.

    Were you planning to give them your spare desalination plant?
  • Def of Economics (Score:2, Interesting)

    by minstrelmike ( 1602771 ) on Sunday October 10, 2010 @03:48PM (#33853964)
    The definition of economics is that it is the way we allocate _scarce_ resources. When water is plentiful and cannot even be polluted because of low populations, water is free. Once it can get polluted, then we as a group start charging for it. During droughts, water is valuable. Whether it becomes more valuable than oil is hard to determine--that will vary from place to place depending on the costs of alternatives to oil or the availability of water.

    The critical issue is that while there are alternative energy sources, there is no substitute for drinking water.
  • Re:Prior art? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by jlarocco ( 851450 ) on Sunday October 10, 2010 @04:01PM (#33854054) Homepage

    The funny thing is, it's not even about the scarcity of water. It's basically a marketing gimmick [truealaskanwater.com].

    If they just wanted water, it would be cheaper to desalinate and purify ocean water. But purified ocean water wouldn't be fresh from an Alaskan glacier, in eco-friendly bottles, constantly kept below 42 degrees.

  • Re:or desalinate? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by stdarg ( 456557 ) on Sunday October 10, 2010 @04:11PM (#33854100)

    Not only that but desalination plants can be built in concert with electricity generation plants like nuclear, gaining efficiency by pre-heating the water. A lot of developing countries need more power in addition to more water.

  • by Beryllium Sphere(tm) ( 193358 ) on Sunday October 10, 2010 @04:45PM (#33854298) Journal

    There's prior art for that, too: Google "dehydrated water". There are a scary number of hits.

  • Re:or desalinate? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 10, 2010 @04:49PM (#33854332)

    I am not sure that the middle east has that much usable energy available. Seriously. Iran imports gasoline because it doesn't have the necessary refining capacity. Tankers from the Middle East might be carrying crude oil, which might not be great for powering a desalinization plant, I don't know. Alaska might have enough diesel fuel. So if the Middle East doesn't have the readily available energy to power desalinization plants, it might actually be impossible for them to desalinate enough to satisfy their needs, but possible, if expensive, for Alaska to supply enough freshwater. Not sure, just saying, cost is a concern that arises after physical possibility. Sure, they could build more refineries, but that probably takes more time and planning than the alternative.

  • Re:Prior art? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by UnknowingFool ( 672806 ) on Sunday October 10, 2010 @05:32PM (#33854582)
    It's very expensive to desalinate water. Of all the methods to purify, it's the most expensive. For the most part the Alaskan is already very pure. If it's cheaper to ship it from Alaska than it is to desalinate, it says a lot about what is considered a resource.
  • by pikine ( 771084 ) on Sunday October 10, 2010 @06:19PM (#33854824) Journal

    If we take energy out of the global climate system using more sail boats, we would still have the global warming, but we might end up with fewer severe storms.

    Just a thought.

  • by riverat1 ( 1048260 ) on Sunday October 10, 2010 @10:16PM (#33855878)

    If I had points to give you'd get an informative mod for that. The average annual rainfall in Sitka is 86.1 inches. That amounts to around 2,350,000 gallons per acre. They probably won't be taking out enough water to even be noticeable to the locals.

  • Indeed (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Benfea ( 1365845 ) on Monday October 11, 2010 @01:17PM (#33860764)
    We've had plenty of news articles that say water is going to become more and more precious as this century unfolds. If someone is willing to pay the expense of shipping fresh water from Alaska to the Middle East, how long can it be before we all start paying more and more for fresh water? If that starts to happen, we can expect all kinds of ugly socioeconomic ramifications.

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