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tkprit writes "What a shame that a Congresswoman makes herself available to her constituents and she and six of her staff were gunned down for the effort. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot, along with members of her staff, for trying to hear the concerns of the people she represents." CNN reports that at least 12 people were shot by the gunman. According to NPR, "The suspect ran off and was tackled by a bystander. He was taken into custody. Witnesses described him as in his late teens or early 20s." Update: 01/08 20:07 GMT by S : Other sources are reporting she's still in surgery, and early reports have been amended to list Congresswoman Giffords in critical condition.
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Congresswoman and Staff Gunned Down

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  • Dude. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Pojut (1027544) on Saturday January 08, 2011 @03:51PM (#34806250) Homepage
    • Re:Dude. (Score:5, Informative)

      by jaymz666 (34050) on Saturday January 08, 2011 @04:10PM (#34806486)

      Fox is actively deleting comments on that story, so who knows what anyone is really saying?

    • Re:Dude. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Dachannien (617929) on Saturday January 08, 2011 @05:40PM (#34807626)

      Fox News gets the same comment trolling that every other newspaper/cable news channel website gets. Shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

  • by theNetImp (190602) on Saturday January 08, 2011 @03:52PM (#34806258)

    Or so says yahoo news.

    http://yhoo.it/hBMCx6 [yhoo.it]

  • sad (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 08, 2011 @04:02PM (#34806366)

    It is incredibly sad that people are mouthing off their vile political views even before all the facts are in.

    They don't care that this lady, and her staff members, were killed and/or severely wounded. They just want to exploit this horrible event for their own ends.

    • Re:sad (Score:5, Insightful)

      by chebucto (992517) on Saturday January 08, 2011 @04:23PM (#34806646) Homepage

      In principle I agree with you, but the thing is that a lot of people saw this sort of thing coming. There has been a lot of commentary and, at least in my own discussions, worry, about the winking incitement to violence that has been broadcast since Obama was elected.

      I do feel sad when I hear of a politician being attacked this way - not just sad, but a mixture of melancholy, pessimism, pity, and a kind of sorrow for a person - a civilian - who put themselves in danger to work in public service.

      But I also feel anger, anger at the unchecked, inconsiderate, dangerous, anti-social rhetoric that I've endured for the past two years, and quite likely played a part in this attack.

      If the attacker turns out to be a tea party paranoid type, then I honestly believe people like Beck hold indirect responsibility for the attack. Incitement to rioting is a crime; so, in a (non-legal) way, is the winking threats and paranoia that's been on the airwaves for too long.

  • by Geoffrey.landis (926948) on Saturday January 08, 2011 @04:08PM (#34806442) Homepage

    Representative Giffords is the wife of astronaut Mark Kelly, and seems to be one of the few congresspeople who are knowledgable about science and technology.

    This is a great tragedy.

    Politics should not be conducted by gunfire.

  • "Death Panels" (Score:4, Insightful)

    by relikx (1266746) on Saturday January 08, 2011 @04:09PM (#34806452)
    Rep. Gabrielle Giffords isn't particularly liberal but is one of the 20 in Congress "in Sarah Palin's crosshairs" for her vote on health care reform. I don't know the motives or mental state of the shooter, then again people could have said the same thing during 9/11...in this instance, look at the target, look at the political climate. Sure, many times it's the most unstable people who take the final step but they obviously pick up on signals from all the vitriol. That particular brand is simply more prevalent on the Right (or at the very least, more "popular" in media). And yes, any knee jerk reaction with gun control ideas would be completely misguided.
    • Re:"Death Panels" (Score:4, Insightful)

      by LocalH (28506) on Saturday January 08, 2011 @04:14PM (#34806522) Homepage

      And yes, any knee jerk reaction with gun control ideas would be completely misguided.

      As is any kneejerk reaction to connect this to Palin. We have no idea the motive of the gunman, so until we do I feel it best to await further information.

      • Re:"Death Panels" (Score:5, Insightful)

        by PPH (736903) on Saturday January 08, 2011 @04:45PM (#34806924)

        Yeah, but if you use terms like "crosshairs" in the presence of disturbed people, they do crazy things. This says little about their political affiliation. But it does raise the issue of whether using violent (particularly weapon associated) terminology is wise in what should be at most polite disagreements.\

        One can stretch this argument to an extreme (probably no prosecutor will) and argue that the definition of assault is the threat of violence. The threat of violence with a weapon (just using the terminology may be sufficient) is legally a special case and promotes that threat to a more serious criminal status. IANAL, but I do carry a sidearm and I do take very seriously any suggestion of its use by myself or the use of a weapon by any other person very seriously. And I acknowledge that my possessing weapons places additional responsibility on my speech and behavior. Its a shame others don't.

  • Crazy people (Score:5, Insightful)

    by RyanFenton (230700) on Saturday January 08, 2011 @04:09PM (#34806464)

    Crazy, paranoid, murderous people exist in every society - in all subcultures, in all religions, in all age groups (with the capability to express it), across all education levels, etc.

    The problems we've been having in the US, as I see it, largely spring from ignoring this, and forcing every response to a tragedy to be an implication of any groups they belong to.

    Are republicans or tea party members responsible for this act? That's a misleading question. Neither answer leads to a meaningful result - and only forces us to alienate eachother further, resulting in more tragedy.

    If we are to avoid having every response wedge us further into madness, the shame of such tragedies, the murder of well-meaning and innocent people, must be a problem that we all have to solve, rather than a point of blame we use as a tool.

    Does the frequent madness expressed the tea party help? No - but that's all of our problem, and it isn't going to be solved just by mocking them as an enemy, or thinking of them only as monsters who kill people.

    Any of us could find ourselves romanticizing violence, like the tea partiers (the legend of the tea party IS one of violence) and other folks. There but for the grace of chance go any of us.

    Insanity is not something we can every 'get even' for - whether it is terrorists or confused local murderers. We can only rebuild, and work together to be able to live in a way that makes it ever less likely, while knowing that freedom will always allow it in one way or another.

    Ryan Fenton

  • Palin (Score:5, Interesting)

    by philj (13777) on Saturday January 08, 2011 @04:10PM (#34806480)
    Seems somebody looked at the gun sights on this http://www.alan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/sarahpac_0.jpg [alan.com] and acted on it. Scary.
  • by roc97007 (608802) on Saturday January 08, 2011 @04:13PM (#34806510) Journal

    Regardless of her political party, regardless of YOUR political party, we did not need this. We are all, on both sides of the aisle, diminished when this happens.

  • you preach hate, you get hate. you preach violence, you get violence

    a certain unnamed political movement is reaping what it sows

  • Sick Political Ad (Score:4, Interesting)

    by digitaltraveller (167469) on Saturday January 08, 2011 @04:29PM (#34806728) Homepage

    Get on Target for Victory in November. Help Remove Gabrielle Giffords from Office. Shoot a Fully Automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly:
    http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2011/1/8/13371/41091/21#c21 [dailykos.com]

    This sounds an awful lot like incitement to commit murder. Is there any chance this tough guy will get charged?

  • by Dcnjoe60 (682885) on Saturday January 08, 2011 @04:42PM (#34806878)

    While the story indicates that a motive has not yet been determined, it also states that she recently won a close and hotly contested race with a Tea Party candidate. Hopefully, it will not be found that the teenage shooter was not responding to the Tea Party rhetoric of if we can't win in the ballot box, we will win in the streets.

    It is truly a shame, but something angered the shooter enough that he took it upon himself to "fix" a problem. I wonder if election campaigning were more civil and less mud slinging/hate mongering if this shooting would have occurred.

    While many people on slashdot are of many different political views and seem to be able to discuss issues civilly (for the most part), there seem to be pockets of society in the US that are not able to do that. How does anyone expect to solve any of the issues in the US or world, when there isn't even enough respect of the human person to allow for differing opinions?

    Whatever the cause of the shooting, it is truly a sad day.

  • Website (Score:5, Interesting)

    by crumbz (41803) <<remove_spam>jus ... am>gmail DOT com> on Saturday January 08, 2011 @04:47PM (#34806970) Homepage

    Sarah Palin just took down her USA Map with targets drawn over democratic leaders, one of them was for Gabrielle Giffords.

  • by Hartree (191324) on Saturday January 08, 2011 @05:25PM (#34807420)

    I remember when Reagan was shot, there was speculation that the shooter was politically motivated. It turned out he was mentally ill with delusions.

    At the present time, no one really knows the why of this. Thankfully, they caught someone so we may know more in time.

    For right now, the main thing is to hope that those shot and still alive pull through and make full recoveries.

    As an aside, Gifford's husband is an astronaut on the next shuttle crew and her brother in law is currently on the space station. This has to be weighing very heavily on them.

  • by gatkinso (15975) on Saturday January 08, 2011 @10:54PM (#34810856)

    A 9 year old child lost to this.

    So senseless.

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