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Baby's First TSA Patdown 570

theodp writes "Is there anything cuter than baby milestones? Baby's first steps. Baby's first word. And now, baby's first TSA patdown. 'Well,' writes Anna North, 'it finally happened. Airport security officers gave a pat-down to a baby.' A post on the TSA blog defended the move: 'The child's stroller alarmed during explosives screening. Our officers followed proper current screening procedures by screening the family after the alarm...The [8-month-old] child in the photo was simply receiving a modified pat-down.' Hey, at least they didn't make a federal case of the 4 oz. of liquid found in the little tyke's Pampers."

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Baby's First TSA Patdown

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  • Osama Bin Laden (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13, 2011 @10:54AM (#36117954)

    Osama Bin Laden is laughing in his grave. He obviously won, even in death.

  • by sootman ( 158191 ) on Friday May 13, 2011 @10:55AM (#36117968) Homepage Journal

    1) Nationwide, how many times has the alarm gone off during explosives screening?

    2) How many times have explosives been found?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13, 2011 @10:57AM (#36117986)

    ...is an embarrassment to America.

    We really could be better than this.

  • by 228e2 ( 934443 ) on Friday May 13, 2011 @11:04AM (#36118076)
    Problem?

    Contrary to public outcry, American terrorist are more likely to be Caucasian males than any other race.
  • privacy (Score:5, Insightful)

    by PktLoss ( 647983 ) on Friday May 13, 2011 @11:08AM (#36118138) Homepage Journal

    The thing that bothers me most about the TSA responding to issues is the privacy of the people going through screening. I feel like the entire process should be treated as confidential, the number of people in the party, wether or not they had a stroller, what set off what alarm, how old the child was, etc. I don't feel like the TSA should be sharing that information publicly.

  • Re:Osama Bin Laden (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13, 2011 @11:10AM (#36118162)

    Osama Bin Laden is laughing in his grave. He obviously won, even in death.

    Osama Bin Laden is laughing in his grave. [yourfunnystuff.com] He obviously won, even in death.

    Fixed that for you.

    He even gave an interview on CNN [cnn.com] and said "I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed", and we still did exactly as he predicted. We won the battle ten days ago, but lost the war ten years ago.

    Maybe I'm just an oldthinker who unbellyfeels newspeak, but "Homeland of the fee, homeland of the safe" still doesn't sound right. Can we please have pre-9/11 America back? You know, land of the free, home of the brave?

  • *sigh* (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Haedrian ( 1676506 ) on Friday May 13, 2011 @11:12AM (#36118192)

    Yes a terrorist can hide a bomb in a baby. A terrorist can also surgically insert a bomb into a baby if they wanted to.

    They could also just detonate the bomb at the airport itself (remember russia?) and skip all of this.

    All this stupid theatre does absolutely nothing, except give the 'terrorists' (and the general population) a little grope before they get blown up. Wouldn't want them to die unhappy would we?

  • We are not alone (Score:4, Insightful)

    by poptones ( 653660 ) on Friday May 13, 2011 @11:13AM (#36118202) Journal

    Does France have such patdowns in their airports? What about Canada? What about Germany? Belgium? China? Japan?

    Why is it we also have not heard of ANY foreign terrorist activities on airliners since all this started? Are the american airport patdowns such a deterrent they can stop a "potential terrorist" from boarding a plane in S Africa with a bomb or a knife?

    This needs to stop. I really don't care personally, because I don't fly - but all the other people being displaced from the planes are filling up the trains, and I miss the extra elbow room.

  • Re:Papiere bitte. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by sauge ( 930823 ) on Friday May 13, 2011 @11:14AM (#36118210)
    Or checkpoints against drunk driving
    Police cameras on the roads
    "Zero Tolerance" in schools
    Drug testing
    ID requirements for just about anything, including purchasing cough syrup

    When was the last time one heard "Go ahead, it's a free country!"

    -----
    Would George Washington taken his boots off?
  • by countertrolling ( 1585477 ) on Friday May 13, 2011 @11:14AM (#36118216) Journal

    ...has yet to have a single success.

    HA! Tell that to the people who sell all those nice machines.. They're laughing all the way to the bank..

  • Re:Osama Bin Laden (Score:5, Insightful)

    by snarkh ( 118018 ) on Friday May 13, 2011 @11:20AM (#36118310)

    The economic damage he caused to the US economy is several trillion dollars. While he may not have won the war, but he did cause overwhelming damage.

  • idle? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by locallyunscene ( 1000523 ) on Friday May 13, 2011 @11:22AM (#36118344)
    Why is this idle? We only idly wonder at controversial and arguably ineffective security procedures being followed to the letter? Especially when "I was just following orders" are the dirtiest words a lackey can speak?
  • by MozeeToby ( 1163751 ) on Friday May 13, 2011 @11:23AM (#36118352)

    Exactly, that's the same way that I know that this rock that I have bought keeps away tigers!

    More seriously, lets say that your screening procedures are 99% effective with a 0.0001% false positive rate, both of which are horribly, massively unrealistic. And then let's pretend that there are 10 terrorists that try to get on an airplane each year in the US, which is almost definitely an unrealistically high number. There are an estimated 737.4 million passenger flights each year in the US. That means that for each terrorist detected you're going to hit 8200 false positives. Screening everyone in the country just doesn't work at a mathematical level.

  • by elrous0 ( 869638 ) * on Friday May 13, 2011 @11:24AM (#36118390)

    You think that patting down a random person who doesn't even come close to fitting the profile of a modern terrorists, while completely ignoring the guy behind her who does is a smart way to approach screening, do you? Because us morons think that taking a more focused approach might be in order. Profiling works to catch serial killers, so why not use it to screen for terrorists too?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13, 2011 @11:27AM (#36118442)
    Why would it be a deterrant?

    You've got a guy willing to blow himself up. If he gets through TSA, he blows himself and the plain up. If TSA catches him.. well, he doesn't get to blow the plane up. Maybe he just blows the security line up, or maybe he gets stopped before he can trigger the bomb. If he gets stopped, maybe he can rat out a couple of accomplices under "interrogation". It's not like building a bomb is such a HUGE expense that the THREAT of a failed attempt would make people give up.

  • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Friday May 13, 2011 @11:28AM (#36118454)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by devent ( 1627873 ) on Friday May 13, 2011 @11:31AM (#36118512) Homepage

    "Terrorists could hide a bomb in a diaper, and we don't seem to have anything much better than pat-downs to detect it. "

    Terrorists could just go to the next mall in kill 1000 people with a bomb. Or they could go to a train station and kill 500 people. They could just go to the next restaurant and kill 50 people.

    What we really should be doing is just accept terrorists as a threat but not overreacting. We should spend our tax money for real things that are proven to save lives, like improving highways, get more police officers, improving hospitals and health care, invest in more public transportation.

    We could even just give capital to the third-world countries, or invest in their education and infrastructure. Even that would reduce the risk of a terrorist attack way more then the stupid TSA. But instead we giving Millions of money to people to search babies, kids and some random people so we have a one in a million chance to find anything.

  • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Friday May 13, 2011 @11:44AM (#36118732)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by elrous0 ( 869638 ) * on Friday May 13, 2011 @11:53AM (#36118878)

    Tim McVeigh was one attack, involving only two terrorists, that killed 168 people. Muslim terrorists have killed TENS OF THOUSANDS of people over the last 20 years, with attacks that happen on a DAILY BASIS (there was one this morning that killed 80 Pakistanis, and the day isn't even over yet).

    Got YOU.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13, 2011 @12:03PM (#36119022)
    TSA just created a conveniently choke point outside the security perimeter where bombing can be even most effective than on a plane.

    just sayin'
  • Re:Osama Bin Laden (Score:3, Insightful)

    by pnewhook ( 788591 ) on Friday May 13, 2011 @12:04PM (#36119046)

    What do you mean by winning? He showed how to cause great damage to super-powers (first USSR, after that the US) with relatively tiny resources. Btw, note that most of the economic damage to the US (e.g., the war in Iraq) is self-inflicted.

    And most of the damage done to the USSR was also caused by the US. This was back when Reagan portrayed the Taliban and al-Qaeda (actually the precursor to them) as a religious group being persecuted for their beliefs by the big bad commies. So the US trained the mujahedeen and sent billions in weapons aid so they can fight the Russians. Russia eventually pulled out when they realized they could not compete.

    If the US/CIA had minded their own business then the mujahedeen would have been wiped out by the Russians and all of this stupidity would never have happened.

  • by bmo ( 77928 ) on Friday May 13, 2011 @12:15PM (#36119198)

    Someone mod this up.

    Scariest question to ask any Airport operator: How long would it take to evacuate the airport for a bomb scare?

    You won't like the answer.

    --
    BMO

  • by Dunbal ( 464142 ) * on Friday May 13, 2011 @12:26PM (#36119344)

    Hah, my wife was just applying for a non-immigrant visa today because her old one expired. Now you have to submit an online application. There are about a million questions, all the buttons are counter-intuitive (usually continue goes on the right and back goes on the left), and the website says it will log you out after 20 minutes of inactivity, which is false. It logs you out after 15 minutes - activity or no. Considering that these forms take far more than 20 minutes to fill out (list the exact dates of your last 5 visits to the US please, never mind that US immigration likes to stamp wherever the hell they feel like it in your passport), it's a major hassle. We were logged out no less than three times during this process.

    And don't forget, you need to give travel dates (even if we're not sure when we plan on going to the US in the next 10 years) and name/address of a contact person in the US (I'm sure I have the name and address of the guy who works at the hotel I'll be staying at...). Oh and of course the "trick" questions where they try to "catch you out". My favorite was "have you ever participated in torture/extrajudicial killing". I wonder how many American government employees actually would not be allowed a visa... but I digress.

    Put it this way - I'm glad I'm Canadian and don't have to do this crap every few years but America - if you don't want tourists why don't you just say so? I mean, the Mexicans will still keep jumping the border fence anyway no matter how many questions you put on that form, but we law abiding people can take a hint.

  • Que the... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by MJMullinII ( 1232636 ) on Friday May 13, 2011 @12:54PM (#36119652)

    Limousine Liberals and the Pickup Truck right-wingers.

    If they had let this cute little kid pass unmolested, just to have the 10 pounds of high explosives planted in his/her diaper go off on the flight and blow, perhaps, a ten hole in the side of an airliner at 35,000 ft., it would be accusations all the way around.

    YOU PEOPLE NEED TO WAKE UP. The type of people the TSA is looking for are NOT the type of people who are above doing what I just described.

    You don't like the time it takes for security, take a train/boat.

  • by Stregano ( 1285764 ) on Friday May 13, 2011 @01:13PM (#36119878)
    when it will fit through the x-ray machine?

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