Mozilla Labs Introduces the Webian Shell 216
kai_hiwatari writes "Mozilla Labs has introduced its concept of a desktop replacement called Webian Shell. The Webian Shell basically consists of a browser which will replace the traditional desktop, and web applications are given more importance than the native applications. Right now, the prototype of the Webian Shell is nothing more than a full screen browser with a dock which holds the tabs and the clock." The project's blog offers more about the ideas and underpinnings; there's even more on the home page of developer Ben Francis.
Active Desktop (Score:5, Insightful)
a browser which will replace the traditional desktop
That idea is so 1990's. There is a reason the dot-com bubble burst.
Installation in 4 easy steps! (Score:5, Insightful)
To install Webian Shell:
1. Launch Firefox ... oh wait there's no need to install Webian Shell.
2. F11
3. ???
4.
Re:Active Desktop (Score:5, Insightful)
This kind of shit really has me concerned for the direction browsing is going in, in general. I just want a browser that is efficient and does lots of cool things that make the browsing experience more productive. I don't want social-fucking-everything, branded tabs, branded browsing applications, a dedicated interface for every dipshit hipster social service and integration with a fucking smart-phone and mood ring. Just a fucking browser.
Oh, nice, more bloat. (Score:4, Insightful)
First was Gnome 3 using JS for scripting and now this. Wasn't this a bad idea when it was known as Active Desktop?
Didn't work out for MS (Score:5, Insightful)
Computer is not for web only, I know, it's amazing to think otherwise, but some of us actually work on them, and most of the work is not happening on the web, though reading /. you won't be able to deduce this fact.
Anyway, I always wanted my shell to take all of my RAM, overbook the CPU, run the fans on full throttle just to refresh the clock on the background.
Re:Oh wow . . . (Score:2, Insightful)
To be fair, internet connectivity is far more ubiquitous, and we spend a lot more time (proportionally) using web apps, than in the dial-up 90's. So just because this kind of thing was a bad idea back then, doesn't necessarily mean it will always be a bad idea, and it will probably keep repeating until it's time finally comes. I'd say that time hasn't yet come, but the time of the browser-based primary UI may well come eventually. Probably before the day of Linux on the desktop becoming mainstream.
Re:Oh wow . . . (Score:5, Insightful)
I bet in a decade or two we'll be seeing a flood of so-called "native" or "local" applications and UIs that run 100 times faster than regular applications. They will be called Apps 2.0. Also, entertainment content like movies will be delivered on portable, physical media that doesn't exhaust your sparse download quota. Those will be cutting edge innovations! How exciting!
Death-spiral indeed ...
Re:Minimalist trend (Score:5, Insightful)
Do you think the minimalist trend is temporary?
Three societal / cultural trends / beliefs / needs across all areas of human endeavor:
1) Talk down to the noobs. "Hay n00b U R dum so ur UI will B 1 button". Its a public display of profound intellectual arrogance. "The average gutter dwelling noob could never understand the rarefied nobility and intellectual challenge of the maximize button, so I, as their superior, as a shining example of Nietzsche's overman, will take away that dangerous option from them for their own good"
2) Everyone gets a participation trophy, so we must drag everyone down to the noob level. There must not be a learning curve or the people at the bottom of it might have hurt feelings. If that means the entire population must only be given tools equivalent to lincoln logs and playdough, the frustration of almost everyone is inferior to the feelings of one individual.
3) Eternal September has finally sunk in, around a decade too late, and now completely obsolete, and its going to take a long time to get rid of it. People that have not already had their "eternal september" moment years or decades ago are either about 5 years old or are socially and economically irrelevant so there is no need to pander to them, unfortunately people still insist that "everyone knows" that 99% of the population has never clicked a mouse. Its an meme thats obsolete and just won't die. Maybe when the Gen-Xers have all died of old age and the Gen-Y finally get it pounded into their heads that there's no one alive on the planet that was born before facebook... but that could take decades...
In other words, expect to be held back for quite awhile.
Re:Minimalist trend (Score:5, Insightful)
It's just a fad. It's very similar although not exactly the same as "Not Invented Here" syndrome caused by developer inexperience and naivety.
Although this has happened countless times the primary example I like to take out is Java. Java tried to be minimalistic and "simple" by leaving out all sorts of useful functionality (eg. generics, etc). Now look at it, everything they left out in the beginning is shoehorned into the current versions and it sucks because they failed to account for the functionality in the original design.
What will happen is these products and projects will start out very minimalistic but will then slowly grow into a bloated, poorly designed pieces of shit as the developers realize that some features exist for a reason and are actually needed or just plain useful.
Then there will be backlash against the "idiotic" minimalist approach and we will start to get over-designed, over-complicated, inefficient, bureaucratically designed, and slow to implement bloatware which will slowly shrink into buggy poorly designed pieces of shit as the developers realize that you can't start giant designs and implement the whole thing at once.
Then there will be backlask against the "idiotic" over-complicated software so... (this is what is happening now)
Repeat ad nauseum. Einstein had it right: "Make things as simple as possible, but not simpler." You need to start with a solid flexible, possibly somewhat complicated design but with the intent and proper planning to only implement a simple subset of the design at first. Then it can grow into the full-blown design over time.
Re:Installation in 4 easy steps! (Score:5, Insightful)
Pretty much.
All these WebOS-es are seeming to remove features, not adding them.