The Enterprise Is Wrong, Not Mozilla 599
There's been a lot of noise about Mozilla's new rapid release leading to
conflict with Enterprise users.
Kethinov found an Ars article that points out that "Now that Mozilla has released Firefox 5, version 4, just three months old, is no longer supported. Enterprise customers aren't very pleased with this decision, and are claiming it makes their testing burden impossible. We're not convinced: we think Mozilla's decision is the right one for the Web itself.'"
Re:Think of it as 4.0.2 (Score:4, Informative)
you actually don't use NoScript and AdBlock Plus? sucks to be you.
Both worked for me just fine as soon as I upgraded to version 5.
Re:I wonder... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Think of it as 4.0.2 (Score:4, Informative)
The problem was the crap that is Firefox development.
Going from 3.5 to 3.6 broke a number of plugins - sure there are replacements, but damn it was a pain for a supposed update.
Going from 3.6 to 4 introduced a bunch of crappy UI mods (no status bar, really? Must Firefox emulate Chrome?), requiring more plugins to get a browser that at least resembles what I had before.
Going from 4 to 5 broke what now? Oh, it broke the tab bar behavior to emulate Chrome again (great if you read tabs left-to-right, but if you go right-to-left, it's an annoying pain, and this time I can't find the option to disable it).
Oh yeah, it also means Google Apps lose support very quickly. Google said they're supported the last 3 major versions. Until 5 came out, that was 3.5, 3.6 and 4. Now with 5, it'll be 3.6, 4 and 5, despite 4 being dead.
Notice that 3.6 still receivs updates from Mozilla. Hell, even Ubuntu still keeps an LTS release every couple of years, good for 3 years since release.
Perhaps it wouldn't be such a pain if Mozilla quits screwing around with the UI so much. 3.5 to 3.6? Well, 3.6 should be 4, really since it broke a bunch of stuff (a number of plugins broke and I had to find new ones that did equivalent). Then 4 could be called 5 and we'd be at 5.0.2 or something because of the new UI.
Some of us like reasonable expectations of when plugins and such might break - going from 2 to 3 is obvious, as owuld 3 to 4 and the like. 3.5 to 3.6? I'd have expected all my plugins to work.
Hell, it's enough to drive me to IE 9 with all the UI messing around. Saving an extra 16 pixels just means I see an extra half a line of text.
Re:Mozillacide (Score:4, Informative)
Except there are still piles of addons that did not make it from 3.6 to 4, never you mind 5. More so if you are on OS X.
As to 4 to 5, there are about 256 or so addons that broke, according to Mozilla team themselves [mozilla.com].
You just outed yourself as a homework-avoiding troll. Well done, Sir.
Re:What is the purpose of Mozilla? (Score:5, Informative)
"And who was the asshole who told Enterprise users (paraphrasing) "We don't give a shit about you.""
That would be Asa. A little FYI he is not part of the PR department, nor is he authorised to speak for Mozilla in any way. If Mozilla has any sense they would fire this guy ASAP. He even posted on slashdot and ... paraphrased "Please go back to IE 8. I beg you too! ..." to someone whining how he convinced management to side with him to upgrade to Firefox, and Asa just put his job on the line.
Well F*** you too. To me the biggest blow is not the shoddy releases nor the promise to say corporate America you are shit out of the creek, but his attitude. It is one thing to question privately whether to support corporate users. It is another to bash them when many of its I.T. professionals are swinging their bat out of their way to get your product in.
I no longer use Firefox as a result of all of this and they are turning into irrevelence. They can't change the web for open standards unless corporate users use something besides IE. Well, there solution is to say fuck them. There reply will say screw you too. The webmasters will notice an increase in IE usage and ignore html 5. ... not very bright Asa.
Now if they fire Asa and apologize and offer an acitive directory tool and maybe an enteprise edition of Firefox that is updated every 6 months all would be forgiven. But, a lot of damage has been going on from this and Firefox itself is in trouble. Quality is very low and it is the bottom since Firefox 3.6.
Re:AAT is golden (Score:4, Informative)
Either maintain it, or take it down
Or develop for Chrome, which doesn't have a completely fucking retarded extension system. My code hasn't needed updating in a year and five major version numbers, it just works. And will likely do so a year from now, because it's based on web standards and not brain damage like XPCOM.