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Terror Attack On Norwegian Government 401

Posted by Soulskill
from the be-safe dept.
techtech sends this quote from the BBC: "A large bomb blast has hit near government headquarters in the Norwegian capital Oslo, killing at least one person. The offices of Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg were damaged extensively — a government spokeswoman said he was safe. Police said a number of people were injured in the city center explosion. No-one has said they were behind the attack, which witnesses said could be heard across the capital."
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Terror Attack On Norwegian Government

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  • by madhatter256 (443326) on Friday July 22, 2011 @11:01AM (#36846990)

    According to ABC news:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/oslo-explosion-blast-result-massive-vehicle-bomb-sources/story?id=14134197 [go.com]

    Earlier this month, a Norwegian prosecutor filed terrorism charges against an Iraqi-born cleric who had allegedly threatened the lives of Norwegian politicians. Mullah Krekar, the founder of the Kurdish Islamist group Ansar al-Islam, said in a news conference in 2010 that if he was deported from Norway he would be killed and, therefore, Norwegian politicians deserved the same fate, according to an AP report. The Norwegian government had considered deporting Krekar because he was seen as a national security threat.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 22, 2011 @11:19AM (#36847262)

      This is not the result. This is part 1. Part 2 depends on the action of the government and people. You see, in all cases of what terrorism has done itself was to kill a few people. This only affected a reasonable tiny segment of the population. More are affected by drunks on the road every year.

      The important part of terrorism is the part 2 - the so called reaction by the people and the government. They could either,

        1. treat this as a criminal act and hold the responsible parties to account, or

        2. undermine their own freedoms in their own fear of the "enemy", stop trusting one another and view anyone that appears different as the "enemy". This is the aim of the terrorist, not the initial damage.

      So far, the terrorist are quite a ways ahead, if you ask me. A simple bomb here, a bomb there. A handful of people die. People demand action. And soon enough they look suspicious at any minority, become radicals themselves and destroy their own societies simply out of fear. The victims becomes the terrorists themselves. And the cycle continues until we end up with Afghanistan style society.

    • by toriver (11308) on Friday July 22, 2011 @11:50AM (#36847670)

      Unrelated, he has been saying the same things for years. His terrorist group is in the Kurd areas (Turkey/Iraq/Iran), far away from Norway. The only reason he is still here is that we do not extradite people to countries where they risk the death penalty, and we haven't received binding enough guarantees from either the Iraqi nor the Kurd governments (Northern Iraq still being a somewhat self-regulated Kurdish province).

      • The only reason he is still here is that we do not extradite people to countries where they risk the death penalty

        Perhaps if you did then the criminals who flee to your country would have an incentive to be on their best behaviour while they're there.

    • by SwedishPenguin (1035756) on Friday July 22, 2011 @03:25PM (#36851078)

      It looks like the "policeman" who gunned down dozens of youths at the Social Democratic youth camp was also seen in central Oslo moments before the explosions, and witness reports state that he spoke a dialect of Norwegian coming from the eastern part of the country. It sounds to more more like the work of a right-wing extremist than islamist extremists. This could be Norway's "Timothy McVeigh"..

      • According to Europol, only 3 of the 249 confirmed terrorist acts in Europe last year had islamic connections, so maybe we shouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions, eh?
      • by IrquiM (471313) on Friday July 22, 2011 @07:35PM (#36853668) Homepage
        This is the guy:
        https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002651290254

        Religious views: Christian
        'nuf said! - It's the Norwegian counter part of Timothy McWeigh. Nothing to do with Al Queda or any other Arab connection - more similarities with the Norwegian "Tea-Party"-look-a-likes.
  • by o_source (620530) on Friday July 22, 2011 @11:03AM (#36847016) Homepage
    So far there is confirmed 2 dead and 15 injured by NRK news. It is confirmed that it was a car bomb.
  • Also shootings. (Score:5, Informative)

    by FinchWorld (845331) on Friday July 22, 2011 @11:12AM (#36847138) Homepage
    Several people shot at UtÃya according to Dagbladet.no
    • Apparently a man dressed as a policeman opened fire on a Labour party youth camp.
      • by jandrese (485)
        He was finally captured a few minutes ago. Apparently he looked Nordic, so this adds some credence to the "home grown right wing extremists" theory. So far there appear to be 5 dead in the shootings, but everybody is still in hiding (except for the ones that swam over to the mainland) so the bodycount has not been confirmed.

        I'm impressed they were able to capture him alive. Frequently with gunmen like this they go out the Suicide by Cop way.
  • by techtech (2016646) on Friday July 22, 2011 @11:15AM (#36847194)
    But an attack like this is big deal in Norway, I live nearby, and the blast has blasted the window in almost 1 km radius, check these images. This is the main government building in Norway: http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.7722919 [www.nrk.no]
    • by plsenjy (2104800)
      Because it is much more reliable to get up-to-date news sources of the event from Norwegian nerds keeping up with international nerd zeitgeist than it is from America's idiot news media.
  • I work there (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 22, 2011 @11:28AM (#36847398)

    I work stright across the street just from the prime ministers office and was on my way there when the bomb went off and came there not many minutes later. Because of vacation, I think most of the buildings were empty. Almost every shop in down town Oslo has or is shutting down. The public transportation is working more or less as normal, but there are a lot of people down there filming with their phones and calling relatives.

    A lot of windows are broken and I saw one probably 400+ meters away blown out. People are very calm and just interested in more information.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14254705

    • by blair1q (305137)

      I saw one probably 400+ meters away blown out

      The shock wave reflects from solid surfaces and the reflection sums with the main wave and other reflections, so you can have one window getting much more shock that an adjacent window gets, and damage at considerable distance from the center of the blast.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    This should never have happened in a saner world.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 22, 2011 @11:47AM (#36847634)

    The attack was on a government office, so it's still too early to say whether it was an act of terrorism or war.

    Al Qaeda and the organizations allied to it in "the Resistance" [blogspot.com] are the most obvious suspects, being that they are at war with everyone else in the world and they have the talent and desire to do it.

    The attack could be in response to the recent filing of charges against Mullah Krekar, leader of Ansar al-Islam [alarabiya.net] which was one of the first groups to rename itself to "al-Qaeda in Iraq" after the US invaded.

    The motivation could also be the Jyllands-Posten cartoons [zombietime.com] that were published in a Denmark newspaper. The Muslim Brotherhood and Hizbut Tahrir encouraged attacks on Norwegian embassies after the Norwegian tabloid Dagbladet republished the cartoons.

    Norway has been active in the bombing of Libya. [newsinenglish.no] The attack may have come in retaliation from the Libyan government, which has pledged to strike back at its attackers any way it could, or it may have come from unaffiliated right-wing Muslims who see the attack on Libya as kaffir invading the ummah.

    It could be someone else. Remember that the Oklahoma City bombing was a couple of white ultra-Christians. Everyone thought it was Hezbollah at first. The attack could have come from Jews who are pissed off about European spy agencies funding the the NIF, B'tselem, Peace Now, Human Rights Watch, and all the lies they tell about Israel. It could have been a nut from an opposing political party or a farmer with a grievance about a change in subsidies and the knowledge to make a fertilizer bomb. The only thing we truly know is that we don't know yet, so wait a day or two for the investigators to do their jobs.

    Here's Reuters's speculation. [reuters.com]

    Captcha: compute. If anyone was complaining that this was not news for nerds, it is now.

  • by S77IM (1371931) on Friday July 22, 2011 @11:49AM (#36847654)

    The terrorist story is a cover-up.

    What really happened, is a young Jutnar (a species of large mountain troll) wandered into Oslo through the sewer system. It was eventually destroyed near the capital building when courageous members of the TSS removed a manhole cover above the troll. Sadly, the dying troll exploded in a massive burst destroying several city blocks.

  • No doubt they're protesting their brutal living conditions and depressed economy.

    No, wait....

    • by dkleinsc (563838)

      That's clearly an impossible thesis - it's way too friggin' cold in Norway to have a concept of "Spring"

  • I think not. According to NRK, the man shooting at Utøya, was a tall Norwegian looking blonde. http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrk.no%2Fnyheter%2Fnorge%2F1.7723132 [google.com]
  • Who got scared? Who was terrorized?

    Not every explosion is "terror". Terrorism (except as defined by the US Govt.) requires causing terror.

    This was an explosion. I'm glad it wasn't worse... ...but it wasn't terror.

    It's time to quit calling everything "terror".

    E

    • by blair1q (305137)

      A car bomb in the street out front of an office is a terribly inefficient way to murder someone, if at least one of your goals isn't to terrorize anyone else.

      A car bomb is also a classic terrorist tool.

      By the principle of parsimony, it's reasonable to assume that this was a terrorist act unless extraordinary evidence to the contrary is presented.

      It's time to quit calling everything "terror".

      It's time to quit calling everything that isn't terrifying "terror." Car bombs parked out front of government offices will probably never be not terrifying. So you

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