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UK Police Test 'Temporarily Blinding' LASER 398

esocid writes "Called the SMU 100 it costs £25,000 and sends out a three-meter 'wall of light' that leaves anyone caught in it briefly unable to see. Designed by a former Royal Marine Commando, it was originally developed for use against pirates in Somalia. While tasers and CS gas work well over short distances the laser is said to be effective at up to 500 meters (1,640ft). Being targeted by the beam has been compared to staring into the sun before being forced to turn away. Paul Kerr, managing director of Clyde-based Photonic Security Systems, which came up with the design, said 'If you can't look at something you can't attack it.'"
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UK Police Test 'Temporarily Blinding' LASER

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @04:54PM (#38360814)

    Mostly because the other places that test this first don't let the reports out.

  • by Jeng ( 926980 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @04:54PM (#38360838)

    Yes, point lasers at me and blind me. That's really healthy

    Although I am pretty sure this goes against a Geneva convention this is healthier for you than high speed lead.

  • by aaaaaaargh! ( 1150173 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @05:01PM (#38360972)

    Right. If the police aren't allowed to use this laser then they will have to shoot protesters. There is just no other way.

  • by wanzeo ( 1800058 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @05:11PM (#38361190)

    UK citizens should build their own and point them at all the cameras. Instant privacy.

  • by ackthpt ( 218170 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @05:13PM (#38361214) Homepage Journal

    Right. If the police aren't allowed to use this laser then they will have to shoot protesters. There is just no other way.

    Society under surveillance, blinded by the Met ... how much longer before V becomes reality?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @05:14PM (#38361236)

    Unless they're running for a train in London...

  • by zill ( 1690130 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @05:15PM (#38361254)
    If only there was list of fatal shootings by the British police [wikipedia.org] out there that could dispel your ignorance...
  • by LighterShadeOfBlack ( 1011407 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @05:20PM (#38361376) Homepage

    I'd rather be lasered in the face than gassed or shot with bean bags or beaten

    The mistake is thinking this is an either-or situation. First they blind you, then they beat the shit out of you. Now you can't ID which ones assaulted you even if you could get a criminal case going against them.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @05:21PM (#38361394)

    Yes, point lasers at me and blind me. That's really healthy

    Although I am pretty sure this goes against a Geneva convention this is healthier for you than high speed lead.

    which means they will use this "harmless" weapon without hesitation in situations where they previously wouldn't use any more force than handcuffs. back when all they had was a gun and a baton they tended not to pull a weapon unless you did first. we've seen this now with pepper spray, tazers, etc. the less lethal they are the more quickly they get pulled out.

    remember that asshole lieutenant cop who gleefully pepper sprayed lots of peaceful protestors at once? he could try to make an excuse for that, at least if he weren't caught on video being such a dick. he would have had no excuse for gunning down these unarmed people in cold blood. that would have resulted in him on trial for murder and selfish pricks like him look after "Number One" better than that. that's why he didn't use his gun. but now he has neat little "relatively harmless" pain-compliance type of weapons at his disposal that don't produce pesky dead bodies that must be explained away.

    they are becoming less and less like peace officers and more and more like militarized thugs every day. this is what you want? more toys for them? if you weren't such a simpleton you would understand why new weapons like this make the situation worse, not better.

  • by fuzzyfuzzyfungus ( 1223518 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @05:21PM (#38361418) Journal
    This seems like a terribly ill-thought-out scheme(except in that it might succeed in separating some police departments from rather a lot of the public's money, in exchange for a slightly more rugged version of a standard green laser, in a butch sci-fi plastic rifle case...)

    Unless the laser is a tightly focused dot(in which case it won't be much use against a crowd) its intensity will vary rapidly with distance. In order to not be a complete toy at operationally useful ranges, it will very likely be downright dangerous at closer ones. Luckily, cops are technical experts and models of restraint, so that won't prove to be a problem.

    In a similar vein, since lasers are a reasonably common occupational/hobby hazard these days, laser-protective eyewear, designed for strong attenuation of the common laser type of your choice, with minimal impact on general vision, is cheap and readily available. In order to have any effect on somebody wearing such, you'd likely need alarmingly higher power levels than you would need to have the same effect on an unshielded subject. So, either ~$20 eyewear gains you immunity to this fancy tech toy, or this fancy tech toy is powerful enough to stun protected users and fry retinas on everybody else. Brilliant.
  • by vlm ( 69642 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @05:40PM (#38361828)

    What about if someone has a gun, they may just start firing towards the general direction of the blinding light, hitting innocent bystanders,...

    Guns are hard to aim when blind. Molotov cocktails, not so hard. Just saying.

  • by Mitreya ( 579078 ) <[moc.liamg] [ta] [ayertim]> on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @05:42PM (#38361874)
    Or past the first cop who tries this shit on someone with a mirror.

    How many action movies have you seen lately? First of all, you would have to draw and pull up your mirror faster than the police fires the laser at you. Did you assume that you would reflect it precisely into the police officer's eyes, like in a comic book? Since you won't, you might as well just close your eyes instead of pulling up a mirror, that will presumably protect you
    Now, finally, you are standing there with a mirror in front of you or eyes closed and you will probably get clubbed or arrested (or both) in that curious state.

  • by wcrowe ( 94389 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @05:49PM (#38362016)

    Now we can immobilize EVERYONE within 500 meters whether they're doing anything wrong or not, such as journalists and other so-called "innocent bystanders". Surely any person within 500 meters of a public disturbance is up to no good. All good citizens always stay at home where they belong. What a jubilant triumph for the brave defenders of our glorious homeland!

  • by AK Marc ( 707885 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @05:55PM (#38362134)
    No, in the US, they only get in trouble if it's a white cop in a black neighborhood shooting black people. And killing someone earns you 6 months paid vacation (administrative leave) while the incident is investigated, followed by a commendation for bravery in waiting so long to shoot or "making the hard choice to protect others." They don't even get a slap on the wrist, they get a massive paid vacation at full pay and a commendation.
  • by Warwick Allison ( 209388 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @05:58PM (#38362210) Homepage

    This is not useful against protesters. The police use pepper spray on protestors to hurt and punish, not to protect themselves. A peaceful protestor siting with their arms linked can just close their eyes.

  • by mathmathrevolution ( 813581 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @06:05PM (#38362346)

    Now we've got the blinding light weapon, and the deafening sound weapon, [wikipedia.org] and that Ray Gun that makes your skin feel like it's on fire [wikipedia.org]. All this massive R&D going into novel crowd control technologies. It's almost as if the US Government anticipates needing fancy new riot gear. Wonder why that could be.

  • by 0111 1110 ( 518466 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @06:16PM (#38362502)

    Except that in the US, even if somone is shoting at the police, 9/10 times if they kill somone, they get fired.

    Bullshit. Name one instance. Police are practically never punished for anything they do here. If you managed to find a single instance it would be one in a million. Although there are exceptions to every rule, the cops in the US are much, much worse than their UK counterparts. When I leave my house I am much more afraid of the police than I am of any criminals. Cops are far more dangerous and violent. And if they attack you they also throw you in jail and file false charges against you just for fun.

  • by Anthony Mouse ( 1927662 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @06:37PM (#38362812)

    There's some sort of weird stupidity from the people buying these items for governments, so they believe all the hype about new gadgets, and don't ask what happens when the problem tries to route around it.

    This is an excellent point. I mean forget about attacking the person who was pointing the weapon. Look at the big picture: Something terrible is wrong politically and a large mass of people are protesting it in a nonviolent way. You bring out your crowd control weapons. You disperse the protestors. Job done, right?

    What do you think those people are going to do if you make nonviolent protesting unavailable? Thank you for your benevolence and then go home and give up? Forget all about the fact that they can't find a job and are heading for bankruptcy?

    The protesters are not the problem. The protesters are the symptom. Fighting the symptom doesn't solve the problem. And not solving the problem will only give it enough time to turn into a disaster.

  • by siddesu ( 698447 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @06:42PM (#38362888)

    It is worse than that. FTA:

    Similar devices have already been used by British and American troops in Afghanistan to help protect convoys from attack.

    It seems that "normal civilians" are now being treated no differently than your average throat-cutting, convoy robbing, wife-whuppin', goat-fucking Taliban Mujahedin* in the Iraq or the Afghanistan. Yay for Democracy, Freedom and other Western Values.

    _____
    * This image of the Taliban is based on post-Soviet era Western media portrayal. Before that the Mujahedin were brave, just, honest and peace-loving farmers who were badly abused by the Bloody KGB and only kept goats for the milk and the meat.

  • by couchslug ( 175151 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @06:49PM (#38363014)

    To be precise, most of the people the cops plink in the US are the sort many of the rest of us are fine with them plinking, and if they plink in error it only causes outcry if the plinkee is both innocent and has a wholesome prior track record. If they are an established dirtbag then it's an enemy casualty.

    Many Americans prefer that security in their zones be maintained by any force necessary.

    It's not "nice" and we don't give a shit.

  • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @07:23PM (#38363460) Homepage Journal

    This. The police crack skulls and ask questions later. There was a recent eviction of travellers where one of them pushed a tazer through a fence and fired it blind, then kept pressing the trigger over and over again without seeing who he was electrocuting. Fortunately he missed and the needles landed in some earth, but we could easily have had another murder enquiry on our hands there.

    Presumably if the police tried to assault you and in self defence you used some form of non-lethal weapon like a laser you would be set upon by his friends and eventually charged. Thugs join the police for this specific reason - they can kick the shit out of people for fun with almost total immunity, and even when they kill someone the ranks close and it gets covered up. It remains to be seen if the murder PC Hardwood will get away with it.

  • by ohnocitizen ( 1951674 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @08:03PM (#38363926)
    Its part of a pattern of using military weaponry against civilians. In The Battlefield Today? In Your Backyard Tomorrow.
  • by kheldan ( 1460303 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @08:45PM (#38364328) Journal
    I say they line up all the police and test it on them, first. If anyone decides to bow out, or has their vision permanently damaged due to exposure to this device, then they can't use it on civilians. Ever. Scrap it.
  • by ohnocitizen ( 1951674 ) on Tuesday December 13, 2011 @11:51PM (#38365756)
    It is hilarious this got modded as flamebait, when a huge chunk of the comments on slashdot bemoan the increasing militarization of the police. A huge step in fighting that is coming up with slogans and language to explain how horrifying this slide towards fascism is.

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