Bob Anderson, the Man Behind Vader's Lightsaber, Dies at 89 99
An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from Australia's ABC News: "Bob Anderson, an Olympic swordsman who staged fights for films including the Star Wars and Lord of the Rings trilogy, has died at the age of 89. ... Anderson donned Darth Vader's black helmet and fought light-saber battles in two of the three original Star Wars films, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, but his role was not initially publicized." The accompanying video clips are great; I never thought about anyone being in the Vader suit besides David Prowse.
Re:I disagree. (Score:5, Interesting)
Ep 4 is a bit clunky, yes. As other posters have noted, that was made before they brought in the expertise they needed - so you get a fight which is basically two untrained old(ish) men taking swings at each other.
But what you get in Eps 5 and 6 is a sense of story to the fight. In 5, when Luke fights Vader, he's clearly lost the fight before it even begins. He's distracted and off-balance. Vader's the older, smarter and more skilled fighter. Luke tries gamely enough to begin with, but every swing he takes is turned against him. Vader's not going all out; he doesn't want to kill, so he bides his time and breaks down his opponent before going for a disabling blow.
In Ep 6, the battle in the throne room begins much the same way. Luke is, once again, at a disadvantage (though he's more aware of it this time). However, once he "snaps" and charges Vader (culminating in him chopping Vader's hand off), his style changes completely. He leaves himself wide open and goes for all-out attack. To use an analogy from fighting games; he's button-mashing. And it catches Vader off guard. Vader's probably still more skilled, but he's also older and slower. He can't keep up with Luke, let alone counter-attack.
In Eps 5 and 6, the fights help to tell the story. The genius of the choreography of the fights is that it takes place at a pace which allows the average viewer to actually pick up on that.
By contrast, the eps 1-3 fights have very little sense of story to them. They're more concerned with "wow factor" and, to put a cynical hat on for a moment, with making sure that everybody gets a chance to look cool to boost the toy sales. I never got a sense that a character's emotional state is being reflected in how they fight.
Re:Meanwhile... (Score:4, Interesting)
Youknow I think that Dick Cheney is more like Palpatine than Vader
Re:One's life's work (Score:4, Interesting)
As to "corrupting a purer art form": competitive fencing and fencing that looks good on film (to non-fencers) are completely different animals.
Re:Meanwhile... (Score:3, Interesting)
Fun tidbit: in French, Darth Vader is named "Dark Vador", R2D2 is "D2R2", C3PO is "Z6PO"
JigJag
Re:I disagree. (Score:4, Interesting)
It's worth thinking about it a different way perhaps. In episodes 1, 2 and 3, we find the Jedi in their prime, so naturally they'd be quick and good etc. In episodes 4, 5 and 6 though, there's Obi-Wan and Vader who are very old and Luke who is a complete newby, so their light-sabre skills will be somewhat less than say Darth Maul in episode 1.
Just my 2c.
Re:I disagree. (Score:5, Interesting)
One thing that's always amused me about the SW saber fights: almost all sword swings are dodged, parried, or blocked. But a punch or kick (or carbonite exhaust pipe to the face)? Connects 100% of the time! Bonus points if the hit happens on a ledge.
Re:I disagree. (Score:5, Interesting)
You need to watch the fight more closely. At the beginning of the fight, yes, Vader is toying with him. He holds his saber loosely with one hand. He simply sizes Luke up as being no threat at all. "All too easy. Perhaps you're not as strong as the Emperor thought." Shortly after this, however, Luke escapes the Carbonite chamber, gives Vader a face full of exhaust gas, and kicks him off the platform. By the time we reach the gantry, Vader is going 'balls out' in his fighting. Even then, Luke connects a swing with Vader's shoulder, which is only saved by his armor.
You had your "prequel blinders" on. :) Episode 1: Recall the scene where Obi wan, Qui gon, and Darth Maul were separated by the force fields. Obi wan stood pensively and anxiously. Separated from his master, he's unsure what to do next. Darth Maul paces in his chamber like rabid animal locked in a cage. Qui gon... sits down and _closes his eyes_ in meditation. Everything you need to know about what these three characters think of this fight is right _there_.
Episode 2: Obi-wan versus Dooku - Watch the look on Christopher Lee's face as he mocks and taunts Obi wan. He clearly has the upper hand, and isn't afraid to show it. Dooku vs. Anakin - I liked this fight because it spent more time focusing on lighting and shadow than it did on the swordplay. Very indicative of the blurry line that Anakin is walking between the light and dark sides. It's the outcome of this fight (Anakin's dismemberment) that feeds his growing desire for revenge that he'll unleash in the next film. Yoda vs. Dooku? Come on! What fanboy who saw ESB when he was 6 in 1980 _didn't_ feel it was worth the 22 year wait to see him kick some ass. Best of all, as soon as the fight was finished, he reached for his walking stick. This simple act shows the nature of how a "true" jedi uses the Force.
Episode 3: You get _five_ saber battles here. Pick your favorite. My favorites were Mace Windu vs. Sidious (Come on! The head of the Jedi Order vs. a Sith Master? How much more "story" do you need to fill in the blanks here? Plus, as the event that finally pushes Anakin "over the edge", it's importance to the narrative cannot be overstated) , and Obi wan vs. Anakin. What needs to be said about it? Obi wan busts Anakin joining Sideous, murdering hundreds of Jedi (including children), and nearly murdering his pregnant wife. How much more motivation does Obi wan need at this point to turn to fisticuffs? Plus, you have the entire mythological narrative involving the Descent to Hell, eternal damnation, and attempted redemption. This fight, more than any other, shows two combatants who are pretty much evenly matched throughout the whole fight.
Re:I disagree. (Score:2, Interesting)
If I recall*, Alec Guiness was given instructions during the filming of Episode 4 that the lightsaber was intended to be a heavy weapon, more like a massive two-hander than a lightning-quick rapier; a weapon that required two hands to wield properly. And although the battles did become slightly more fluid in Episodes 5 and 6, you can still see this philosophy in the fights between Luke and Vader in Episodes 5 and 6; Luke frequently was filmed swinging the lightsaber with two hands, hacking at foes like a lumberjack slicing into a tree.The elegance of the weapon had little to do with how it was used in combat and more to do with the preference of single champions settling a dispute rather than relying on blaster-armed battalions waging war across star systems.
By the time the prequels were filmed, the lightsabers had become light enough to be wielded as one-handed weapons, leaving the second hand free for force powers or dual wielding. The style had entirely changed because the concept of the weapon had changed.
* citation needed, I know. Except all my Star Wars books are all back at home ;-)
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I see the invisible wink at the end of your question; true, there are very strong language laws... in Quebec! Other french-speaking countries are way more relaxed about it. For instance (one amongst thousands), Toy Story is called "Toy Story" in France but "Histoire de jouets" in Quebec.
Translation is a challenge. When and how do you translate proper names? Why is the country whose capital is Berlin called Germany by the English, Allemagne by the French and Deutschland by its natives? And then why isn't Berlin translated three ways too?
I recently did some independent translation for a popular '90s computer game (very heavy in dialog), and that was a serious question we asked ourselves. Do we translate names of places and people? We agreed that not all names ought to be translated but it was almost always based on a personal feeling.
When it comes to movies, there is an added impetus: since the movies are dubbed and not voiced-over (like it was the case in Poland for so many years), the name chosen as a translation must be easy to pronounce yet they more or less must match the lip movements. The french can't pronounce "TH" properly, so DarTH is right out. On the other hand, the target audience is sufficiently sophisticated to know the word "Dark" and even have an idea of what it means (paradoxically, they get it wrong since they think "noir", like you pointed out, instead of "sombre"). Since his wardrobe matched the name, it made sense to use Dark in this case. So, there is aggregate of: 1) pronunciation, 2) ability to relate, 3) mental imagery that led to choosing "Dark Vador".
Translation is more an art than a science. You need flair, inventiveness along with technique and rules.
To me, the absolute best translation was that of Lady Jessica Atreides in Dune when examining the servants with Dr Yueh. In English, she says "When you said Harkonnens, I didn't know you had so much reason to hate them." In French, the translators used a verb tense rarely used in speech amongst commoners, but that perfectly embodied an educated and noble person like Lady Jessica: "Quand vous avez dit : 'Harkonnens'.. j'ignorais que vous eussiez tant de raisons de les haïr."
You have to know French to be floored by that rendering. Not only the meaning was properly conveyed but as an added touch they established her rank through her language and it also coincide well with the lip movements. Grandiose.
JigJag