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The Science Fiction Effect 210

Harperdog writes "Laura Kahn has a lovely essay about the history of science fiction, and how science fiction can help explain concepts that are otherwise difficult for many...or perhaps, don't hold their interest. Interesting that Frankenstein is arguably the first time that science fiction appears. From Frankenstein to Jurassic Park, authors have been writing about 'mad scientists' messing around with life. Science fiction can be a powerful tool to influence society's views — one scientists should embrace."
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The Science Fiction Effect

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  • by __aasdno7518 ( 2125020 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2012 @09:08PM (#38975785)
    I agree with just how important science fiction is in the long run. It's a shame that it's scoffed at as just being about bug eyed monsters and little green men..It's also such a shame so much science fiction spewed out by Hollywood is just the same tired old plots over and over again. Science fiction says so much and can be as compelling and moving as other forms of fiction.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 08, 2012 @09:13PM (#38975847)

    Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh c.2150 B.C.

  • by MrHanky ( 141717 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2012 @09:14PM (#38975853) Homepage Journal

    In the movies, sure, but in the book, he's just misguided.

  • The morality gap (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Beta Master ( 143936 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2012 @09:22PM (#38975923)

    Throughout history there has been a lag between scientific discovery and the mainstream acceptance of the moral conundrums presented by that discovery, from the Earth is round, to xenotransplantation, to current stem cell research and cloning. Our systems of morality and ethics morph at a much slower rate than does scientific theory.

    Science Fiction is a fantastic mechanism for exploring the possibilities presented by new technologies, and their ethical repercussions, to say "This is where our science may take us, and are we okay with that?" It allows us to begin adapting our ethics in advance of the technology becoming available.

  • by Barbara, not Barbie ( 721478 ) <barbara@hudson.gmail@com> on Wednesday February 08, 2012 @09:32PM (#38976005) Journal
    The bible ... weird theories of animal inheritance akin to Lamarckism, the whole "origin of the universe" debate, imaginary stuff that if it were to happen today would be explained away as "any sufficienly advanced magic looks like technology", the whole "Ark" thing to save humanity presaging all the sci-fi stories where people build space arks to leave a depleted, dying Earth, fire that doesn't burn stuff, weather control, matter converters (water into wine, etc).
  • by billybob_jcv ( 967047 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2012 @09:34PM (#38976015)

    ... is indistinguishable from magic.
    - Arthur C. Clarke (Clarke's Third Law)

  • Two edged sword (Score:5, Insightful)

    by PeanutButterBreath ( 1224570 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2012 @09:34PM (#38976019)

    Science fiction can also distort perception of what science is (or will soon be) capable. Some examples that come to mind include interstellar travel and terraforming. This can become problematic when people assume that scientists can make problems go away (climate change) or we can just move to the moon, space stations or beyond to escape the problems that we refuse to confront. When people have been watching all this magic on teevee their entire lives, they can get the wrong idea about how achievable things are in real life (or at least within a useful time frame).

  • by jhoegl ( 638955 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2012 @09:57PM (#38976211)
    Perhaps, but Gattaca was a worst case DNA/police state scenario, yet we are seeing the developing mold of such a society today.
    I see how SciFi can warn us, but we must pay attention and heed these ideas as well.
    Merely writing about them isn't enough.
  • by Kylon99 ( 2430624 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2012 @10:03PM (#38976279)

    The source came from an episode that was parodying SG-1 itself but the message was poignant:

    Science fiction is an existential metaphor that allows us to tell stories about the human condition. Isaac Asimov once said, "Individual science fiction stories may seem as trivial as ever to the blinded critics and philosophers of today, but the core of science fiction, its essence, has become crucial to our salvation, if we are to be saved at all."

  • by Nursie ( 632944 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2012 @10:06PM (#38976307)

    "I hate the heroic space opera."

    Pity, because some of that is written by actual physics professors and talks about speculative (but possible) areas of real science, which is what you seem to be demanding in your fist sentance there.

    For instance, I just finished "Blue Remember Earth" by Alastair Reynolds, a guy with a PhD in Physics and Astronomy, who has worked for ESA.

    Some of the best Sci-Fi changes a single assumption about the world we live in and extrapolates what people do in that new circumstance (The Forever War, a lot of PKD's work). That's enjoyable. Other Sci-Fi changes everything, but is still about the people and how they live in this strange world (Dune, Culture Novels). That's also good. Asimov and Clark and others are all about the concept and the theory, people are just decoration, this is also good if rather dry for most tastes. Some Sci-Fi takes place in a world that is a satire of our own, to attempt to show us the folly of certain mindsets (Snow Crash, Market Forces).

    All of these sub-genres have their merits, and all have their hack writers who should never have been published. But if you don't enjoy the space opera of Iain M Banks then then there's probably something wrong with you.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 08, 2012 @10:08PM (#38976325)

    "Of course, it's illegal to discriminate, 'genoism' it's called. But no one takes the law seriously. If you refuse to disclose, they can always take a sample from a door handle or a handshake, even the saliva on your application form. If in doubt, a legal drug test can just as easily become an illegal peek at your future in the company."

    -Gattaca

  • by dbIII ( 701233 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2012 @10:11PM (#38976351)
    It's not a problem with SF, just a problem with some writers using it as a vehicle to drive a poor imitation of a Medieval morality play.
    I see the time travel problems in "Back to the future" (or a longer example "Steins;Gate") as more as a plot device of warning that actions have consequences instead of a message of leaving time travel alone. As for Micheal "give doctors the authority to launch nukes" Crichton, sometimes he was just a dickhead as seen specificly in his last few books.
  • by Grishnakh ( 216268 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2012 @10:20PM (#38976429)

    You can't have a story about the future and how people respond to situations beyond our current understandings, without placing those characters in a setting that's in a possible future, and then trying to imagine what that future looks like, what technologies will exist, etc. It's two sides of the same coin. A smart sci-fi reader/watcher will be able to suspend disbelief and enjoy the story for what it is, understanding it's the product of a writer's imagination at a particular time. Better sci-fi glosses over technological details and just talks about them from a high level when they're important to the story; crappy sci-fi tries to get into all the details about how it works, which is always a losing proposition.

    I hate the "prediction" nonsense that's always brought up (OMG, the PADD is an iPad, LOL LOL).

    You can't show people running around the galaxy in a FTL starship without showing some other advanced technologies. The PADD was an amazingly prescient idea of what people might be using in the future, although to be fair the original Kirk-series Star Trek had a similar thing (the big ugly pad with lights and pen that he had to sign for the fuel consumption reports). Kirk's pad was pretty prescient too, it just looked bad because the effects budget for that show was horribly small (McCoy had to use a salt shaker from a secondhand store for the remote probe on his medical tricorder).

    Sometimes, sci-fi will get predictions amazingly correct, like the PADD. Other times, it'll be far off the mark (like how almost no sci-fi predicted the internet; at least Star Trek can sorta avoid blame for that because they're in deep space and the internet relies on low latency networking, though they never did explain how they can talk to some people over "subspace" with no visible latency, whereas other times they're supposedly too far away to do that and have to send and receive messages with long delay times). You have to take the good with the bad. If you want complete accuracy, you'll have to stick to historical dramas, or documentaries.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2012 @10:31PM (#38976519)
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  • by Alamais ( 4180 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2012 @10:41PM (#38976613)
    I would put Banks' stuff more under "anti-heroic space opera", if there can be such a thing. I mean, come on, he starts off the Culture universe with an entire book from the point of view of someone who abhors the Culture and everything it stands for.
  • by Nursie ( 632944 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2012 @10:48PM (#38976675)

    True! And he spends much of the rest of his time in the culture universe dwelling on the dirty tricks and dark side of the culture, the things it does in the name of multi-species advancement that, on the surface may look less than enlightened...

    I still want to live in the culture though.

  • by Daetrin ( 576516 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2012 @11:35PM (#38977089)

    Lad, that's the definition of what space opera *is*.

    No, space opera is fanciful weapons supporting an adventure in a particular setting. If you had fanciful weapons supporting adventure in some other setting it might be cyberpunk or urban fantasy or something else instead. Second, i think you may be missing the point. The Vorkosigan Saga is that stuff _and_ other things as well, which is why it is more than just space opera.

    Name one thing about the gene and reproductive technology in the Vorkosigan universe that couldn't have been replaced by some other bit of technobabble or just plain magic without affecting the core plot

    That's... kind of a bizarre question to ask. Yes, she could have replaced the technology she did use with entirely different technology, and if she held true to her writing style she would have a story that was just as good but was asking meaningful questions about entirely different technology.

    The point of the quaddies wasn't that they looked funny. The point was that they were genetically engineered by a corporation as cheap and effective labor, and that corporation viewed them as property rather than people with rights. The point of cloning in the stories wasn't just the production of Mark, it was the production of the mostly unseen children who were cloned for the purpose of life extension by rich and unscrupulous people willing to treat them as nothing more than spare parts. The point of cryonics in the story isn't just bringing people back from the dead, it's about what happens if you allow wealth and power to continuously accumulate in just a few set of hands, especially when the hands are those of a corporation. The point of uterine replicators isn't just a way to let the bad guys kidnap unborn children, it's commentary on reproductive rights, gender selection, the role of women in society, the role of childbearing in society, and how exactly those two roles are related.

    And that's just the high points. If you read the books and all you got was "they've got whiz bang tech that supports the adventure and not much else" then you weren't really reading the books.

    And, if all that technology had just been replaced with magic, if the quaddies had been chimera and Mark and the children had been homunculi and priests were raising the dead instead of cryo-revivalists and the uterine replicators were, well, whatever kind of magic you want to make up, then it would have been a well written fantasy story that was also thinly veiled commentary on biotechnology, instead of a well written science fiction story that is totally unveiled commentary on biotechnology.

    So in summation you seem to be saying that _all_ literature doesn't matter because every author _could_ have written about something else instead?

  • by russotto ( 537200 ) on Thursday February 09, 2012 @12:12AM (#38977297) Journal

    And he spends much of the rest of his time in the culture universe dwelling on the dirty tricks and dark side of the culture, the things it does in the name of multi-species advancement that, on the surface may look less than enlightened...

    Of course. That's the interesting part. Utopia might be a nice place to live, but no one wants to live there.

    For the same reason, most of Asimov's stories including the Three Laws of Robotics are about how they didn't work as expected.

  • by icebike ( 68054 ) * on Thursday February 09, 2012 @12:22AM (#38977373)

    One often meets the claim that science-fiction is a genre full of myriad possibilities, but if even once-legendary science-fiction authors are abandoning that, it doesn't make the field look any better.

    That and the unfortunate tendency to moralize, pontificate, and preach under the guise of telling a story.
    Almost always demonizing mankind in the process.

    The linked story would have you believe this is the shining virtue of sifi, the redeeming value in an otherwise unworthy piece of class B writing.
    I see that the other way around. In order to get published some of these authors throw in the sob story, the lesson, the obligatory short skirt.

     

  • by bunkie21 ( 936663 ) on Thursday February 09, 2012 @12:22AM (#38977383)
    How does this indict the whole field? All it does is reinforce the idea that to be exposed to new ideas, one has to seek them out. Luckily, SF is almost constantly being renewed by new authors with fresh ideas.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 09, 2012 @12:29AM (#38977435)

    I often think science fiction is more about present-day ideas taken out of context in order to more easily deal with them. It's sometimes hard to discuss any one little part of modern culture because there are so many other things linked to it. Removing the setting to an alien world 50000 years in the future allows some of the same ideas to be considered (often in extreme cases) without worrying about nonessential parts of the issue.
    Have you watched Star Trek: The Next Generation recently? What I remember thinking the last time I saw an episode or two of it is that it wasn't far from being an educational show due to its handling and frank discussion of human issues. Farenheit 451? 1984? Martian chronicles?

    On the other hand, there are many science fiction novels that aren't at all similar to the above description.
    I think there are definitely some issues with genre definitions.
    Maybe different genres cover a lot of the same ideas with different metaphors.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 09, 2012 @01:35AM (#38977925)

    Theodore Sturgeon's famous comment "90% of everything is crud" was a defense of the science-fiction genre, in reply to the accusation that 90% of science-fiction is crud.

    Not everything in the field is great, nor can it be.

  • by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Thursday February 09, 2012 @07:34AM (#38979775) Homepage

    Movies like The Matrix got me thinking: why would I want a sentient machine? What I mean is I want better tools to do whatever I want, but I do not need "thinking" tools that have their own opinions or desires other than "do whatever is told". (...) Then why create sentient machines in the first place?

    Because the two are practically indistinguishable, the question is simply if it's your goals or its own it is pursuing. I'd like a robot I can tell "do the housekeeping" and it can work out itself what needs to be vacuumed, what needs to be washed, what needs to be dusted, what needs to be tidied up, put on the dishwasher, put on the washing machine, in short it needs to take short abstract tasks and turn them into actual work items, schedules and so on. That alone probably requires strong AI.

    In the garden I'd like to tell it I'd like a bed of flowers here, and let the robot work out all the practical details of getting the tools, making the bed, buying and planting the seeds, using fertilizer, remove weeds, water it during droughts and so on. Once you have advanced goal-seeking algorithms like that, it's not a good enough solution that it'll go into the nearest seed store, grab some flower seeds and walk out. It would need to have an understanding of ownership, sales and purchases. In fact, I don't want it to break any laws - at least not without my direct permission. That definitively takes strong AI.

    If I give it both tasks, I also don't want to manually prioritize everything happening in parallel, I'd like it to both tend to the house and the garden - it'll have to work out a reasonable schedule based on weakly defined priorities like more important, less important, preempts like that I need this shirt washed, everything. It'll also need to follow non-functional requirements like no noisy work at night and impose those restrictions on its plans. Maybe this is just fuzzy logic and scheduling, but I don't think you'd get the parameters right without strong AI.

    I could go on but I think the point is rather clear, there's a reason rich people have personal assistants. They're not there to serve their own desires or opinions, though of course a personal trainer will have opinions on your training but they're there to turn your abstract needs and wants into solutions. If you're there you're certainly at intelligence, and only the smallest step from sentience. All that would be different is that the main goals would be internal, not external.

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