Canada's Online Surveillance Bill: Section 34 "Opens Door To Big Brother" 178
Saint Aardvark writes "Canada's proposed online surveillance bill looked bad enough when it was introduced, but it gets worse: Section 34 allows access to any telco place or equipment, and to any information contained there — with no restrictions, no warrants, and no review. From the article: 'Note that such all-encompassing searches require no warrant, and don't even have to be in the context of a criminal investigation. Ostensibly, the purpose is to ensure that the ISP is complying with the requirements of the act — but nothing in the section restricts the inspector to examining or seizing only information bearing upon that issue. It's still "any" information whatsoever.'"
Don't worry (Score:5, Interesting)
Section 34 was introduced merely as negotiation fodder. It will be thrown out so that opponents will be more willing to accept the other terms of the bill, which are the ones actually desired.
Of course, over time this practice is repeated, and the net effect is the same. Frog in the kettle and all that. Eventually it gets too hot and people revolt and murder their leaders. But we probably have a while to go yet before that happens.
Canada.... (Score:5, Interesting)
As an American, I honestly thought we lost our title of "Land of the Free" to you. Now we are watching you turn down the same dark road we fell down. Hopefully your people have more balls than the majority of the American people so they actually fight for it since you at least have us as an example to point to where that road leads.
If not, I guess the next Civil War just might end up turning into something beyond just civil. I honestly foresee an American civil war within my lifetime with how things are going. If our neighbors to the north are going the same route we do, they might actually use that opportunity to take back theirs as well if they fall like we have.
Now, time to mod me as troll or flamebait. Have at it.
Re:Sux to be Canad..... (Score:5, Interesting)
SOPA sponsor Lamar Smith, under the guise of protecting childred from online pornographers, has proposed a new bill [businessinsider.com] that requires every Internet Service Provider to spy on every customer, logging every thing that they do online and keeping records for an entire year. Just in case. So... yeah. It's getting pretty bad.
And of course these records would be discoverable by his Big Media sponsors.
There goes my plans for fleeing tyranny in the US. (Score:5, Interesting)
The list of countries I can go to that are neither 3rd world shit holes, police states, or both is becoming vanishingly small.
Re:Canada.... (Score:5, Interesting)
10% is enough to get things started, though. The American revolution was fought with fewer than 30% supporters at its peak, and most really didn't care.
Which suggests that the real number is far, far less than 10%. Indeed, when you talk to people about, say, the freedom-of-travel impediments (of, say, TSA et al), most will actually get upset that you're upset about it.
Re:Corporations doing evil vs Govt doing evil (Score:2, Interesting)
It's a police state. We aren't free, we are surfs sucking the dicks of our corporate masters.
Crimes? If we had our 2nd Amendment RIGHTS which have been fucked out of us, we wouldn't have hardly any crime? Why? Because when idiots come robbing or murdering, or car jacking, we shoot them dead. Bullets are cheaper than prisons.
Drugs? This one is quite the scam. They don't give two fucks about you and your health. This is the perfect vehicle for crushing civil rights and creating a police state. They create the black market effect with their prohibition, then thrive on the crime created. You don't understand our system, we GROW CRIMINALS so that we have them to put in our prisons.
Sure we have asshole criminal elements, but our system has grown this environment. Like violent gangs. Our system protects them when they should be gunned down in the streets by citizens. People set prisoner in their own communities while criminals run about, and the police will haul you off to prison if you stand up for yourself or your community. It's THEIR JOB they say, and if you stick your nose in it, you will go to their prison.
This exact kind of thinking is what happened in feudal times. The Lords of the land were the only ones to fight criminals or invaders. If you fought back, you were considered a danger to the Lords of the land. You were thought CAPABLE of being dangerous and hence were culled out before you could be. Does it sound familiar? Welcome to 2012, where we have digressed back to 1812.
Giving these fascist fuckers more power and prisons is NOT the answer. Us growing some balls and taking responsibility for our world and taking it back from big fat cats and the bad people is what we need.