'Frothy Gunk' From Deepwater Horizon Spill Harming Coral 149
sciencehabit writes "The massive oil spill that inundated the Gulf of Mexico in the spring and summer of 2010 severely damaged deep-sea corals more than 11 kilometers from the well site, a sea-floor survey conducted within weeks of the spill reveals. At one site, which hadn't been visited before but had been right in the path of a submerged 100-meter-thick oil plume from the spill, researchers found a variety of corals — most of them belonging to a type of colonial coral commonly known as sea fans — on a 10-meter-by-12-meter outcrop of rock. Many of the corals were partially or completely covered with a brown, fluffy substance that one team member variously calls 'frothy gunk,' 'goop,' and 'snot.'"
Re:BP doesn't give a crap (Score:4, Insightful)
Luckily for BP overfishing wiped out those areas years ago. When I was a kid I heard a lot about the gulf mackerel stocks being pretty much wiped out.
Re:BP says... (Score:5, Insightful)
We're sorry. We said we were sorry. Go away. Leave us alone.
I think the choice words were, "I want my life back."
It's hell when society expects corporations and rich people to take responsibility for something. That's for ordinary suckers.
Re:BP doesn't give a crap (Score:5, Insightful)
No, instead, everybody with a fishing boat will continue to blame the NOAA for every single last thing that happens to the fishing industry, including the results of overfishing.
If NOAA enforces fishing less, they're purposefully trying to ruin the industry in some kind of unfathomable conspiracy with the government and the oil companies and blah blah blah.
If NOAA allows for fishing, they're not protecting the ocean's wildlife enough and the smaller boats don't stand a chance to haul anything in when the bigger purse-sein boats are stealing it all, blah blah blah.
In all the time I've spent debating with fishermen, usually at Jane Lubchenco's Facebook, since the Deepwater spill, I've never seen one fisherman write that perhaps it's a good idea to try to preserve the industry by fishing less.
I think for most fishermen it's either
a) a foregone conclusion that all the fish will be fished to extinction so why dare to hold them back from making their livelihood
b) a foregone conclusion that it's impossible to seriously deplete fish stock from the world's "fisheries" so holding fishing back is conspiracy
blah blah blah blah
The thing is they talk about it like they have some kind of thriving business going when I'm sure if I had been there in the various meeting places where they go to argue with, heckle, and defame NOAA authorities over the years, I would probably have heard fishermen blaming every one but themselves for their decreasing livelihood.
Re:Drill baby drill!!! (Score:5, Insightful)
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So oil drilling is pushed off shore. But it is too close to the shore! Environmentalists don't like those oil rigs! Move them farther out!
So we push the limit on how far we can push the oil rigs out... and when they are in an area very hard monitor, very hard to contain, very hard to seal, and very hard to clean up... the environmentalists have a fit that it isn't cleaned up fast enough.
Let the oil companies drill on land. Open up the oil we have on land where it is safer, cleaner, and can be better monitored. That is much better than trusting some other government to monitor (we will never hear about any spills), or having it in an area that an accident could cause massive damage. Plus we can transport oil by pipeline (burning no fossil fuels). That would be much better than a fleet of oil tankers (we all know how environmentally friendly those things are...)
Re:Drill baby drill!!! (Score:2, Insightful)
Yep. Fracking demonstrates that absolutely no problem can result from drilling on land. There is no water underground that can be contaminated, and even if there were, it's not as though anyone relies on that filthy ground water to survive! Drill, baby, drill! Government is bad! BP is good!
Or better yet... (Score:5, Insightful)
Or better yet, convert the country over to renewable alternative fuels, such as solar, hydro, geothermal, wind, etc. Subsidize electric cars instead of oil companies so that the power is generated at scale in power plants instead of hideously inefficiently inside relatively hideously inefficient internal combustion engines.
You'd kill two birds with one stone. Most of these power generation technologies are much cleaner, so you don't have to worry about things like oil spills. Also, you'd permanently sever our parasitic and detrimental dependence on the Middle East and other oil-producing countries that do not have our best interest in mind. And it's better for us as well--imagine never having to go to a gas station to "fill up" again, and paying less than 25% for the energy equivalency of gasoline.
Re:Or better yet... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Or better yet... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Or better yet... (Score:4, Insightful)
Well sadly enough the same people that bemoan use of fossil fuels the loudest are also often the biggest obstacle to alternatives. No dams, think of the fish! No solar arrays, think of the horned toads and gila monsters you will displace! No wind farms, chopped birds are bad! No nuclear, radiation is the devil's work! For every proposal they either have a list of reasons why it can't happen or a list of restrictions that make it damn near impossible. They always seem to want a perfect solution. News flash! There is none. If you want to get off fossil fuels, you need to learn to compromise. I don't think that word exists in America anymore. "We the people" is more like "Me the people" these days...
Wow, straw man much? The case to be made against those projects is not "think of the fish" or "radiation is the devils work", it's "recognize the externality". It just so happens that it's a little harder to ignore a million missing salmon or some nuclear fallout than it is to ignore the science behind climate change.
External costs, go read an economics textbook and stop making every argument about how you wish *other people* would be open to compromise. It comes off a tad hypocritical.
Re:Or better yet... (Score:5, Insightful)
hypocritical? I do what i can within my means. I have an energy efficient house and appliances. I drive energy efficient cars even if i can afford a sporty gas guzzler. I recycle, maybe not as much as I could, but i make the effort. I make compromises in my own life that benefit the environment. What I don't do is bitch about the way things are then stand in the way of them changing.