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The Almighty Buck Crime Math Stats United Kingdom

Bank Robbing a Terrible Business, Statistically 207

isoloisti writes "Three UK economists got access to national data on bank robberies. The conclusion is that robbing banks pays, but not very much. Average take is about $19k per person per robbery. But, there's a 20% chance of being caught per raid. To make an average income, a robber needs to do two jobs per year, and has greater than 50% chance to be in the slammer after 2 years."
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Bank Robbing a Terrible Business, Statistically

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  • by v1 ( 525388 ) on Thursday June 14, 2012 @01:36PM (#40324921) Homepage Journal

    If you're going to steal, steal big. The punishment is often nonexistent, and at worst you end up in a nice minimum security facility.

    Yep. I recall a TV interview with I believe an ex-FBI agent discussing the "does crime pay?" topic. His answer was short and simple. "If you're going to do it, do it once and do it big." The smart criminals that do one and only one big job that sets them for life or years are rarely caught. It's the smaller-time ones that keep going back for more that end up getting caught.

    Even at 20% odds, it probably makes sense. If you have a 80% chance of being set for life, vs a 20% chance of being locked up for a few years, it's easy to see where those with an obviously poor future consider crime.

  • unskilled labor (Score:4, Interesting)

    by fermion ( 181285 ) on Thursday June 14, 2012 @02:09PM (#40325661) Homepage Journal
    Robbery to me is largely an unskilled profession. Skilled persons can scam and get cash in a much less risky manner. When I was younger I took scrap metal that was not absolutely mine, though did not steal it, and sold it. My friends in retail had many strategies. Of course some bankers are the ultimate skilled thieves, billions in the US savings and loans scandal of the 90's, continuing theft by the general financial industry in the US and worldwide. All legal enough that few are prosecuted. If one thinks that college does not pay, ask Madoff. He had to take the fall, but his family is better off than many of the clients.

    So the question is bank robbery good for unskilled labor. Lets say that you pull five jobs in a year, get convicted for the last one, and get five years in prison. The robber is in jail, room and board taken care of, but the family might have 80K in unreported funds. If they are somewhat smart, they will get government assistance as well as the 13K a year average. OTOH, if the robber is less responsible they have had a lifestyle for a year that few unskilled people can have. And only worked a few weeks at most.

    Sure for those of us with jobs and skills it seems a bit silly, but there a lot of people for whom 20K seems like a fortune. This is why I think that such analysis are not very useful. It does not speak to the basic root fo the crime.

  • by Presence2 ( 240785 ) on Thursday June 14, 2012 @02:15PM (#40325793)

    My suspicion is that the white collar or "intelligent" robberies are not included in the statistical sampling the authors were allowed to draw upon. Things like electronic fraud, employee skimming, loan fraud, etc - which net the culprits millions and are not made public because they impune upon the bank's integrity far more then some guy with a gun in his pocket.

  • Re:Stupid thieves (Score:3, Interesting)

    by lcam ( 848192 ) on Thursday June 14, 2012 @02:16PM (#40325821)

    >> Give a person a bank, and the can rob a country.

    If you look at the USC 1-201 (4) a bank is "means any person engaged in the business of Banking."

    If you understand banking as the holding and trading of notes or other instruments, we are all banks. And since we most often trade notes or instruments that are issued or backed by the Federal Reserve Bank, our banks are technically all subsidiaries of the Federal Reserve Bank.

    Has anyone here ever tried exchanging notes or instruments that are of your own creation? Most of you have, though you might not have noticed. I am not talking about mocking something up to appear as something it is not, that is fraud.

    The point being, the power a bank has is mostly just our faith that their is something of real value the banks have that we want. The real power is in the ability to reach out and connect with people.

  • Quality of Life? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by sdguero ( 1112795 ) on Thursday June 14, 2012 @02:41PM (#40326225)
    I'd argue that the quality of life for bank robber is FAR better than the average office drone. They only have to work a few hours a year for their pay check...
  • Re:Stupid thieves (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Hatta ( 162192 ) on Thursday June 14, 2012 @04:53PM (#40328347) Journal

    Yes, because banks never collapsed before the FDIC. There were never any bubbles before the creation of the Fed.

    If you actually look at history, the period between the great depression and the 1980s were among the least financially turbulent in history. We learned our lessons after the great depression, and that served us well for 50 years until "free market" types like yourself decided banks didn't need to be regulated.

    Were there bubbles in the meantime? Yes, but they were far milder than they would have been otherwise.

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