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July Heat Set U.S. Record 422

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gollum123 sends this excerpt from CNN: "The July heat wave that wilted crops, shriveled rivers and fueled wildfires officially went into the books Wednesday as the hottest single month on record for the continental United States. The average temperature across the Lower 48 was 77.6 degrees Fahrenheit, 3.3 degrees above the 20th-century average, the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration reported. That edged out the previous high mark, set in 1936, by two-tenths of a degree, NOAA said. In addition, the seven months of 2012 to date are the warmest of any year on record and were drier than average as well, NOAA said. U.S. forecasters started keeping records in 1895. And the past 12 months have been the warmest of any such period on record, topping a mark set between July 2011 and this past June. Every U.S. state except Washington experienced warmer-than-average temperatures, NOAA reported."
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July Heat Set U.S. Record

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  • I certainly hope that this heat was an outlier, and not "the new normal".
    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @05:42PM (#40923303)
      It was God punishing people for practicing science so boldly in the open, no doubt.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Of course. It's a coincidence. Not related to AGW or anything. I'm sure it's just the sensors being closer to pavement. Also, it hasn't felt any hotter for me, so it must just be the crazy greens trying to take all our money for their solar companies. Just keep letting me burn my dinosaur.

      • by Smauler (915644)

        Incidental temperatures fucking are a coincidence. More storms, less rain, cold winters, whatever - it's not the issue. That's the argument AGW denialists have been using for years, ok?

        Headlines like this prove nothing - the overwhelming body of scientific literature shows that AGW does exist, and localised weather is not really a good indication of it (though some, especially those in the media, try to make it so).

        • by Muros (1167213)

          the overwhelming body of scientific literature shows that AGW does exist, and localised weather is not really a good indication of it (though some, especially those in the media, try to make it so).

          Where do you propose to define the cut-off point between weather and climate though? One is the average of the other. You can lose a lot of detail when you average everything.Don't know about where you live, but where I am, the weather has been strange,. Two of the last three winters had countryside buried in snow and ice for weeks on end where we usually get occasional frosts. So far this year, we've had dry sunny weather in spring when it usually rains, and it has been pissing rain all summer so bad that

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by rs79 (71822)

          "Headlines like this prove nothing - the overwhelming body of scientific literature shows that AGW does exist,"

          No, it really doesn't. It hasn't been proved, just marketed better than the other theories (which seem to explain things better).

          If you're so sure of this tell me what % of carbon is mans contribution.

    • by Penguinisto (415985) on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @05:52PM (#40923435) Journal

      Urgh.

      Okay kids, time to brace for the usual arguments:

      "Itz teh global WarminGz!"

      "Iz nawt! Itz teh outLiarz!"

      "Yoo Dunt no SHIT abut SCIENCE!"

      (rinse, repeat, ad nauseum...)

      Seriously. Get a grip.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by J Story (30227)

      In 1936, according to the article, it was almost as warm. Basically, a "so what?". Between then and now, States have had record cold temperatures as well. This report would be just one more Jeopardy! item, were it not for the political hay that will be made of it.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Splab (574204)

        And the fact that weather is setting records across the globe year after year right now, is not a concern because equipment used in 1936 had almost the same reading?

        You know what, global environment change might be man made or natural cycle, but if it turns out to be man made, I hope you will do the honorable thing and let someone who tried to save the planet have your spot.

        • save the planet

          The planet's fine. WE are fucked. [youtube.com]

        • by Obfuscant (592200) on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @06:39PM (#40923995)

          And the fact that weather is setting records across the globe year after year right now, is not a concern because equipment used in 1936 had almost the same reading?

          I think the fact that the previous record was set in 1936 pretty much disproves your "fact" that the weather is setting records "year after year". "Year after year" to most people means "every year or two", not "every 7 decades or so".

          • by Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @07:45PM (#40924821)

            I think the fact that the previous record was set in 1936 pretty much disproves your "fact" that the weather is setting records "year after year". "Year after year" to most people means "every year or two", not "every 7 decades or so".

            Back in 2009 they were saying the it had been the warmest decade ever recorded, [independent.co.uk] and the years between then and now haven't been any less exceptional either.

            So yeah, "setting records year after year" is a pretty accurate good description.

          • by mangu (126918) on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @08:33PM (#40925377)

            1936 was an outlier. It happened "every 7 decades or so".

            The last decade, setting YEAR AFTER YEAR records was NOT an outlier.

      • Well you know what they say: 'make hay while the sun shines'. Maybe a bumper hay crop may offset some of your corn losses. Mind you, you are talking about political hay. I think there is a glut on the world market at the moment, at least of the US variety of hay.
      • by BasilBrush (643681) on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @06:18PM (#40923771)

        In 1936, according to the article, it was almost as warm. Basically, a "so what?".

        Never read The Grapes of Wrath I take it.

        0.2 degrees higher than the the hottest month on record is certainly a notable event.

      • by riverat1 (1048260)

        It's not surprising that record cold temperatures are still being set when the record is only a bit over 100 years old. Since the 1980's however the number of hot records being set has outnumbered the number of cold records being set by a considerable margin. If there were no global warming you'd expect the number of hot records and number of cold records to be approximately equal.

    • by Hatta (162192)

      Unless you know some way for the atmosphere to clear all the heat trapping CO2 we've been dumping for the past 100 years, I wouldn't get my hopes up.

    • by riverat1 (1048260)

      For now it's still an outlier but in 10 or 20 years it may be the new normal.

  • by toejam13 (958243) on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @05:45PM (#40923339)

    According to this report [nwsource.com], global warming will make western Washington even gloomier than it already is. So while the rest of the nation bakes, people in Seattle will be perfectly comfortable while they're being glum.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    America may be baking, but what about the planet as a whole? Before blaming the elevated temperatures on global warming, does anyone have data on whether or not the globe is also melting along with us?

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @05:59PM (#40923513)

      Before blaming the elevated temperatures on global warming, does anyone have data on whether or not the globe is also melting along with us?

      Oooo! I do I do!

      Signed,

      Greenland

    • by ilsaloving (1534307) on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @06:01PM (#40923543)

      I dunno about other areas, but I've read that Europe is also suffering from a very intense heat wave.

      Keep in mind that this doesn't mean that the entire planet will heat up uniformly. Some areas may even become unusually cooler.

      The biggest concern is actually an increase in natural disasters like hurricanes.

    • by Sandman1971 (516283) on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @06:08PM (#40923641) Homepage Journal

      We Canadians, you're neighbours to the north, also recorded record heat and record (lack of) rainfall in July.
      Hopefully August will be better. As I type this, it's been raining heavily for the last 20 minutes. We've had more rain in the last 20 mins here in Ottawa that we've had the entire month of July. I'm pretty sure I heard my grass cheering.

    • by styrotech (136124) on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @07:04PM (#40924285)

      Far from it. Here in NZ it is noticeably colder than it was just 6 months ago. In fact nearly every one of the last six months has been colder than the month before!

    • by Saija (1114681)
      Here in Colombia, South America, we are experiencing a summer longer than previous years. This summer is hotter and dryer than other years with some max temp of 36 celsius.
      Hopefully last-july and august are the "meses de las cometas [wikipedia.org]"(months of the kites) wich brings some air flows refreshing the sunset
    • Before blaming the elevated temperatures on global warming [...]

      Begs the question: Who's blaming this on global warming? The CNN article isn't. Hell, even the summary isn't.

      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by arkane1234 (457605)

        It's kinda like coming home and before she says anything, instantly telling your wife you didn't touch that woman at all tonight...

    • by Yaztromo (655250)

      America may be baking, but what about the planet as a whole? Before blaming the elevated temperatures on global warming, does anyone have data on whether or not the globe is also melting along with us?

      For the record, average global warming doesn't mean evenly distributed global warming. All it requires is that there are more degrees increase times area of landmass in regions that are hotter than previously than there are degrees decrease times area of landmass in regions that are colder than in previous measurements. That is, if we take measurements in ten regions and find that six of them have a 2 degree increase and four of them have a one degree decrease, the average would be a 1 degree net increase

  • Either a cold winter doesn't disprove AGW or this absolutely proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

    CHOOSE

    • This, right here.

      Of course, I'm hoping you didn't expect differently.

    • Re:Choose (Score:4, Funny)

      by dkleinsc (563838) on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @05:56PM (#40923483) Homepage

      That's easy: I choose to accept all evidence that fits my predefined worldview (whatever that may be), and pretend any contradicting evidence doesn't exist or is incorrect.

      Hey, it works for a lot of other things, why should AGW be any different?

    • by Bob-taro (996889)

      Nice. Conversely:

      Choose, believers: Either a cold winter disproves AGW or this doesn't prove it. CHOOSE

      I've heard the similarly inconsistent arguments from both sides of the debate.

      • No, no, no, not enough suffixes. It should be believerists. Apparently, "deniers" wasn't perjorative enough, so you need to whack some extra letters on the end to make the term sound even more dramatic.

      • by Qwertie (797303)
        A hot summer does not prove AGW, nor does a cold winter disprove it. In fact, any number of hot summers does not prove AGW; at most they only prove that warming is occurring.

        To prove that the Global Warming is Anthropomorphic requires a lot of additional evidence, which has been gathered. There is now a strong concensus among scientists that "man-made" is the only explanation that fits [slashdot.org].
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by LurkerXXX (667952)

        Anyone who says a warm summer proves it, or a cold winter disproves it, doesn't understand the science. At all.

        Talk to the actual scientists. There's very good consensus that it's real.

    • Either a cold winter doesn't disprove AGW or this absolutely proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

      Anyone who talks of climate trends with anything less that a 30 year view is an idiot. However for those idiots that say "Global warming has stalled for the last 10 years" it's nice to rub their faces in their own shit.

  • i'm moving to washington!
  • by Antibozo (410516) on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @06:00PM (#40923529) Homepage

    Minor correction: the O in NOAA is Oceanic, not Oceanographic.

  • This may set a record for the national average, but it has been cooler and milder than last summer here in Oklahoma.

    Our avg. July temp. is 91-94 F, but the past 3 or so summers it has been 7-10+F over avg.

    Here is an example :this July [weather.com].
    And here is Aug. this year(so far...note the diff between avg. and observed) [weather.com]

    Glad to share! ;-)

  • by sandysnowbeard (1297619) on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @06:03PM (#40923579)
    "Every U.S. state except Washington experienced warmer-than-average temperatures, NOAA reported." Run, children, run from the Pacific NorthWest. Do not come here, the sun does not shine.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @06:18PM (#40923765)

      the sun does not shine

      That star gets on my nerves. It ruins expensive stuff; car interiors, house paint... basically anything not made of rock. You end up blinded by it driving east or west. Two sets of expensive eye wear required; one for exposure to the naked fusion reactor and one for everything else. Expose yourself enough and you get any of several forms of skin cancer. Trying to work on the property in the summer is hell.

      Try to appreciate your clouds.

    • Run, children, run from the Pacific NorthWest. Do not come here, the sun does not shine.

      No! Do not listen to the infidel! That's just the shadow from the mighty Balmer's lifted chair, ready to be flung at a moment's notice!

  • AGW Converts (Score:5, Insightful)

    by arthurpaliden (939626) on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @06:21PM (#40923809)

    Ex-sceptic says climate change is down to humans

    "The results of the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature are in and Richard Muller, the study's director (formerly an AGW skeptic) declares, 'Call me a converted skeptic. Three years ago I identified problems in previous climate studies that, in my mind, threw doubt on the very existence of global warming. Last year, following an intensive research effort involving a dozen scientists, I concluded that global warming was real and that the prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct. I'm now going a step further: Humans are almost entirely the cause.'

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/opinion/the-conversion-of-a-climate-change-skeptic.html?_r=4 [nytimes.com]

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19047501 [bbc.co.uk]

    CEO Exxon admits AGW is real and burning fossil fuels causes it.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/27/exxon-ceo-climate-energy-fears-overblown/ [foxnews.com]

    The natural progression:

    • 1. There is no such thing as global warming!
    • 2. Global warming is theoretically possible, but it's not happening.
    • 3. Global warming is happening, but we are not the cause
    • 4. Global warming is happening and we are the cause but it's no big deal.
    • 5. Ok, we should probably do something about this global warming before it gets worse.
    • 6. We're really fraked now.

    We are now at step 4.

    • The only problem is that Richard Muller has never been a skeptic of AGW. The reason they get away with calling him a skeptic was because he said that AGW alarmists should not lie about the science in order to convince people (while saying that he was a firm believer in AGW).
  • I'm ready. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by rickb928 (945187) on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @06:46PM (#40924081) Homepage Journal

    I've been watching climate change debates most of my life.

    First, it was the threat of nucler wear, and the nuclear winter to follow. This was well explained, and there wa polenty of data to back it up, and anotehr good reason to abandon nuclear weapons. In the midst of the destruction and poisoning, we would be huddled around burning straw, freezing to death. Women and children would be affected the most.

    Then, it was the new Ice Age, inevitable due to climate cycles that were very well explained and with plenty of data. This was a good reason to either acllerate the adoption of advanced technologies, or to eschew them in favor of a sustainable lifestyle in the coming freeze. Oh, and to get as much oil as possible, just in case. And of course it would cause calamity and chaos, we would need to share resources, and we might get by, but don't count on it. Oh, and women and children woudl be affected the most.

    Next, it's Global Warming, with now massive evidence of the causes and impacts, much more data, and warnings that we need to do everything to both prevent and adapt to it. We need to abandon our technology, improve it, change fuel sources, use fuels that don't cause other harms, and do it all now. NOW. Oh, and women and children will be affected the most, and the soonest.

    Well, if AGW is real, which it seems to be, then I'm ready to both prevent it and mitigate the consequences of what is going to happen no matter what we do.

    Just one thing.

    So far, most of the solutions to AGW rely on taking from me pretty much eveyrthing that makes my life, as a middle-class U.S. citizen, special. I can deal with that, but so far ther eis little real discussion of the problems of the rest of world hell-bent on achieving the same special life as I have. I don't begrudge them that. But I'm concerned that they are going to tip the climate over the edge sooner than I could have, and will not readily listen to complaints that they are ruining things for all of us.

    I expect to give up a lot - I will have to change my diet, my transportation, pay way more taxes, do with less or most everything, and in the end all it will get me is a feeling of contribution. I will not live long enough to see the results. No, I am not that young.

    And I will get the nagging feeling that deep inside this, the truth is, that most of the AGW movement is very, very happy that I am paying for my profiligate lifestyle. Because I neither deserve it, nor shoudl it be even permitted. That bunch has been at it since the Nuclear Winter debate, in one fashion or another.

    Because that is the way it's going. The so-called 98% are taking it in the shorts, while the top 1% cling to their place at the top. And the bottom 1% scheme to take all of that and more from the top 1% first, and then from whoever they designate as their next targets. And when the top 1% is ruined, then it's the next 1% and the next.

    Soon enough, it will be me.

    All so a very few can have their way, and rule us all. They hope.

    Then again, this may not work out that way. If sensible people prevail.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Why do you have to give anything up to reduce carbon dioxide emissions? I have never seen a plan for reducing emissions that calls for such a thing. If you get your electricity from a nuclear power plant or solar plant, you can have your lights and air conditioning on just as always. If your car is electric or runs on biofuels, you can drive it just as much. I think this is the biggest sticking point in the "debate" -- I think most people want to deny that the warming is happening because they don't want to
    • Re:I'm ready. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by bhlowe (1803290) on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @07:24PM (#40924545)
      As soon as Al Gore gives up his mansions and jet setting lifestyle, I'll join you in turning off my computers and air conditioner.
    • by Guano_Jim (157555)

      Wow, what a downer.

      I'm a lot more hopeful. I think the challenges brought on by climate change are going to unleash a wave of human creativity and problem-solving the likes of which we have never seen before. We're going to adapt and thrive, and our grandkids are going to wonder why we dilly-dallied for so long in the first place.

      But then I'm a glass-half-full kind of guy.

    • by quantaman (517394)

      I've been watching climate change debates most of my life.

      First, it was the threat of nucler wear, and the nuclear winter to follow. This was well explained, and there wa polenty of data to back it up, and anotehr good reason to abandon nuclear weapons. In the midst of the destruction and poisoning, we would be huddled around burning straw, freezing to death. Women and children would be affected the most.

      Has the Nuclear winter hypothesis fallen out of favour? If it hasn't, then science warned about a catastrophe that could occur if we had a large scale nuclear war, fortunately for a variety of reasons, including the warnings of scientists, nuclear war was averted.

      Looks like the science did good there.

      Then, it was the new Ice Age, inevitable due to climate cycles that were very well explained and with plenty of data.

      No it wasn't. The new Ice Age was never a popular hypothesis, there were a small handful of papers when scientists were still trying to figure out the long term effects of atmospheric CO2. The Ice Age made a bi

    • by hondo77 (324058)

      So far, most of the solutions to AGW rely on taking from me pretty much eveyrthing that makes my life, as a middle-class U.S. citizen, special.

      Huh?

  • Watch out for isolated snow storms in South Africa. [ap.org]
  • so take off all yo clothes...

    (C-walks to the pool in the back yard)

    ... Sorry, couldn't resist.

  • I sure am glad global warming doesn't exist, this could have been SO much worse.

    -AI

  • North Carolina passed a law against global warming. This is illegal!

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